LED Lighting. The next big thing?
It looks like LED lighting is pushing the envelope of affordability. PFO has brought a product to market, and the reviews seem very positive with the biggest advantages being very low heat emmission and low long-term costs (electrical and bulb replacements. Does anyone have any real experience with a LED lighting arrangement on their reef?
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I doubt this will take off unless they replicate MH or even compact fluorescent's intensity in terms of coral keeping. Maybe for Fish only tanks. I use LED nightlight to simulate moonlight though (well, actually for it's effect on the tank when all the lights are off, so mesmerizing to look at :D)
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I believe that they do replicate MH at this time. I will have to look for the threads but there are a few people who changed out from MH to LED. The problem is the initial cost of the LED is so high.
Also it allows the user to dial in the color of the lights. You can simulate a 10K or 20K look by changing the setting from what I understand. |
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At this point I think it's still too expensive... but I am cheap!!! I can see this taking a large share of the lighting market eventually though. However, with the large price tag, I don't see it being an overnight switch. Very promising though.
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I will stick to my MH, proven, tested and relatively affordable.
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I also think that in time they will be in widespread use. People need to remember that this technology is in its infancy. There will be improvements. Here is a lengthy thread on the topic.
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I too see this as the future. PFO sells their 60 inch system for around $3000, which is about how much a full fledged MetalHalide/Chiller system would cost today. The reviews have been great.
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Let's do the economics...
LED System 48" - $2,500 Expected Lamp Life - 10 years Per month cost - $20.83 + Electricity --------------------------------------------------------------------- MH/VHO/T-5 Cost - ~$700 (10 year comparison $5.83 per month) Expected Lamp Life - 1 Year Additional Cost of $250 per year in Bulb Replacement (10 year comparison $20.83 per month) --------------------------------------------------------------------- 40% Electricity Savings LED over MH/VHO/T-5 Current Wattage Example: 2- 250w MH+2- 110w VHO's+2- 55w T-5's = 830w Per Hour or ~6,000 watts per day 6,000 watts x 365 days = 2,190,000 watts per year or 2,190 Killowatt Hours 2,190 Killowatts x .10 per KWH = $219.00 per year in Lighting Costs / 40% savings - $87.60 per year savings in electricity. $87.60 x 10 years (~life of LED bulbs) = $876.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: Over a 10 year period, MH/VHO/T-5 lights will cost [Fixture, bulbs, Electricity] $5,389.20 or $44.91 per month. Over a 10 year period LED lights will cost [Fixture, Bulbs, Electricity] $3,375.60 or $28.13 per month. Purchasing an LED fixture over a MH/VHO/T-5 one will be a cost savings of $2,013.60 over 10 years or $16.78 per month. Plus no ordering bulbs from LFS or online, dramatically less heat for your chiller to offset, less radiation to bleach corals, less noise from canopy fans... - lighting timers, moonlights and dimmers are built into the unit... Unless I am in error somewhere in my math, I'm thinkin' this LED option has some benefits to be considered... My .02 Robert |
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I still think it will be more cost effective in the future if it isn't already though. |
I think Robert is on, but he forgot to add the initiatl cost of a Chiller and the electrical costs involved.
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I looked at it that most in the hobby will need to do the electrical work either way... The standard 110 outlet next to the Entertainment center really isn't the correct choice.
I do agree with the Chiller costs though. I am not sure that my tank would not need a chiller with the heat produced by my pumps anyway, but I know my MH's do not help the situation. During the summer months, my tank runs 84-86 degrees without a chiller. My temp inside the hood with all the lights on is 105 degrees with the canopy fans on - 180 degrees without! I would think that 30-40% of the people that had to purchase a chiller because their temps ran too high, could have gotten by without one if they had LED lighting. What I couldn't calculate was the extra heat that my home air conditioner has to offset because of the lighting heat piped into the room. I tried to be conservative with the numbers I came up with. Robert |
I don't need a chiller w/ my mh's. Also the LED allegedly has the same light output as a 250 watt 20k xm bulb which doesnt have that much par. I guess it would be ok for lps and softies but not for sps/clams.
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I would just like to wait to see what the bulb replacement options are as Hello Lights and some of the lower cost resellers get into the game. Robert |
I saw the Solaris light that PFO has put out in action. Beautiful unit. It has kept softies and LPS great, but I want to see longterm growth before I rush out to buy one.. The unit generates almost no heat, which as we all know is a major benefit. Also the bulb life is a big attraction as well. On my 125 I run 2- 250w 15K halides, 4-6' Vho lights. I replace those every 8+ months. It costs roughly $256+ (this cost dosen't reflect replacement of fuge lightling). If you factor in the chiller cost, coupled with the electricity cost for operating both the lights and the chiller....it soon starts to add up! I am gonna watch the results that my friend gets with his, and see what the future holds.
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its not the amount of watts or light it is the intensity that clams and sps need you can line up as many 20k xm bulbs in a row that you want and the intensity will not go any higher
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Fish Only tanks need between 2-4 watts per gallon. Softies and LPS need 3-5 watts per gallon. SPS/Clams need 6-8 watts per gallon. If I lined up 3 250w MH over a 100 gallon tank, this would provide approx 7.5 watts per gallon. Understanding that the intensity of the light would hinge on the placement and depth of the tank... Unless you have a waterproof light meter measuring lumens per that spot... I don't know how the standard hobbyist would measure it... What is your understanding on how this is measured? Robert |
PAR is from my understanding the best way to determine if you have enough lighting. For that you have to buy a PAR meter. From what I've read the PAR of LEDs is comporable to MHs.
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:rollface: I'll wait till its 1/4 of the price.
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It's not a great measure to use Robert. I have a 6 bulb configuration of VHO totalling 630 watts over a 75G, which is 8.4 watts per gallon. Two 250 watt MH bulbs over the same tank would provide 6.6 watts per gallon, but would be stronger lighting than mine. Same with t-5 comparred to mine.
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watts per gallon was the old rule, most people don't use that anymore
its really about matching the correct intensity to each animal. PAR is what it is all about. As far as measuring it let people like Sanjay and Grimm do that. Then use their measurements to decide what you need. |
I will do some research on PAR. If this has become the new standard in measuring the needs of the animals, I would think that most of the online places would change their coral lighting needs to a PAR standard over the current "Intense, Moderate, Low" descriptions they provide now.
I couldn't find a PAR meter on any of the normal Fish Supply places either.... The one I did find was $200. :eek1: The hobby has some work to do through education and equipment to make it useful and measurable. Robert |
pfo brought a solaris to the mtrc frag swap this weekend.They brought a par meter with them.I could place my hands on the bulbs.No heat.We took the par meter and placed it just under the surface of the water and it was in the 370's. We then took the meter over to a 250mh and it was 370 at the bulb and already in the 250's before even under the surface of the water.I'm sold on them.Just need to find the money now
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