1000 Gallon Build- Here we go- Lots of Pictures

[Usernam Invalid]

How close is the temp prob to the pumps for the reactor?
Do you have a separate temp reading for the display?

[Mishri]

Originally Posted by mike810

Just a thought, I know you have you have your sump in your garage. Do you warm up your cars in the garage for extended periods of time? I know I warm up my exotics at least 10 minutes before I take them out. Maybe the fumes from the cars are getting into the tank?

My cousin had a rabbit he kept in his garage decades ago and one day it died, presumably from his mom warming up the car in the garage even with the garage door open.

Good point.. and off topic... why would you warm up an engine for 10 minutes? most exotics are built for high revving corner carving(so they make design considerations such as ensuring oil still reaches various areas while corning at high speed and other considerations-they have to be careful to not allow too much blowby at idle, yet maintain enough pressure under acceleration) and I've heard various things, but it mainly comes down to engine design. For example, most dragsters can't idle for long or drive at low speeds, they overheat.. most studies show idling a vehicle for an extended duration, even on exotics, actually causes problems... What are you solving by idling the engine for 10 minutes? getting the oil to temp is most common. Run the right oil for the outside temp and that isn't a problem.. and let it warm up (via driving it normally) to get it the oil to optimal viscosity.. which is in the 190-220 range depending on type, but around 210F for w30 and 200F for w20... but the problem with idling an engine is that it isn't operating at peak efficiency.... leaving residue, carbon build up, etc... -and living in a cold climate like I do, there are other issues with extreme cold temps and idling an engine..which is why most people utilize an engine block heater, not that the car wont start, but the damage that can be done at extreme temps while idling. With that said... the engine isn't really what you are paying for with an exotic.. that's probably one of the least expensive components... as far as how inexpensive you can get a similar sized(and weight) engine to output that much power, you can get 1000hp out of a 350 sbc for around 10k...

[Socaltoaz]

Here are my test results:


07-12-2017 Ammonia (NH3-4) Good 0 0.000 - 0.050 mg/L
07-12-2017 Nitrite (NO2) Good 0.005 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
07-12-2017 Phosphate (PO4) Good 0.22 0.000 - 0.250 mg/L
07-12-2017 Nitrate (NO3) Good 18 0.000 - 25.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Silica (Sio2-3) Good 0.5 0.000 - 0.500 mg/L
07-12-2017 Potassium (K) High 458 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Ionic Calcium (Ca) Good 202 100.000 - 400.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Boron (B) NA NA 3.000 - 6.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Molybdenum (Mo) High 0.4 0.000 - 0.300 mg/L
07-12-2017 Strontium (Sr) Good 8.7 5.000 - 12.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Magnesium (Mg) Good 1170 1100.000 - 1400.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Iodine (I) Good 0.04 0.030 - 0.090 mg/L
07-12-2017 Copper (Cu) Good 0.07 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
07-12-2017 Alkalinity (meq/L) Good 3.35 2.500 - 5.000 meq/L
07-12-2017 Total Calcium (Ca) Good 400 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
07-12-2017 Iron (Fe) NA NA 0.000 - 0.010 mg/L




FYI- I lost an emperor angel and flame angel Im so frustrated right now- have no clue whats going on. If anyone sees anything obvious- let me know but I dont see anything so out of whack that I would lose all these fish in a short period of time.

[karimwassef]

Are you feeding enough?

[Socaltoaz]

Yup

[McPuff]

Are the fish eating right up until they die? Or do they start acting a little shy and not eating maybe a day before? It kind of sounds like something bacterial, but not a fast killing version like I've seen in the past. Argh, sorry to hear about this!

[Socaltoaz]

They all seem to be eating just fine.

[mike810]

Originally Posted by Mishri

Good point.. and off topic... why would you warm up an engine for 10 minutes? most exotics are built for high revving corner carving(so they make design considerations such as ensuring oil still reaches various areas while corning at high speed and other considerations-they have to be careful to not allow too much blowby at idle, yet maintain enough pressure under acceleration) and I've heard various things, but it mainly comes down to engine design. For example, most dragsters can't idle for long or drive at low speeds, they overheat.. most studies show idling a vehicle for an extended duration, even on exotics, actually causes problems... What are you solving by idling the engine for 10 minutes? getting the oil to temp is most common. Run the right oil for the outside temp and that isn't a problem.. and let it warm up (via driving it normally) to get it the oil to optimal viscosity.. which is in the 190-220 range depending on type, but around 210F for w30 and 200F for w20... but the problem with idling an engine is that it isn't operating at peak efficiency.... leaving residue, carbon build up, etc... -and living in a cold climate like I do, there are other issues with extreme cold temps and idling an engine..which is why most people utilize an engine block heater, not that the car wont start, but the damage that can be done at extreme temps while idling. With that said... the engine isn't really what you are paying for with an exotic.. that's probably one of the least expensive components... as far as how inexpensive you can get a similar sized(and weight) engine to output that much power, you can get 1000hp out of a 350 sbc for around 10k...

I start the car and head back inside to finish getting ready. Main reason is to bring oil temp up before I take it out. I started off with an E60 M5 and that car's engine is notoriously known for going out when not properly warmed up before driven. Now with my lambo and porsche, I have just developed the same habits. When oil temps are up, I drive them like I stole them.

I would have to disagree with your statement regarding the engine being the least expensive component of a car. For my E60 M5, a low mileage used engine cost $25k to replace and that's just a BMW engine. I don't even want to think about how much a porsche or lambo engine cost to replace.

Sorry to the OP, I hope you find out what is causing these fish death. Have you checked for diseases?

[RonMidtownStomp]

Those water test results look great. I'm wondering about nutrition also, but I don't see how that would start killing this many fish all at once. You didn't have a cucumber or something else toxic die?

[karimwassef]

It's two fish- both angels. That's why I thought of diet.
Other possibilities could be injury - rabbitfish spine poisoning, rockfall
Then diseases - bacterial, viral, parasite

[Socaltoaz]

Two angelfish but he two puffers before that. Emperor was in the tank for 8 months with no issues.

[o2manyfish]

We have seen issues like this in Los Angeles. It turned out that it was chloramines in the tap water. Even with a 5 stage RO/DI there were still issues. Losing Fresh and Salt Fish.

I stopped the fish loss by add (2) of the CHlora blockers from BRS to each RO unit and then running through 2 chambers of DI resin.

The water districts don't always report when and what they are adding to the water.

Dave B

[karimwassef]

Oh wow. Are there any chlorine sensors on inlet water that could trip when that happens?

[Socaltoaz]

Originally Posted by o2manyfish

We have seen issues like this in Los Angeles. It turned out that it was chloramines in the tap water. Even with a 5 stage RO/DI there were still issues. Losing Fresh and Salt Fish.

I stopped the fish loss by add (2) of the CHlora blockers from BRS to each RO unit and then running through 2 chambers of DI resin.

The water districts don't always report when and what they are adding to the water.

Dave B

Crap- I thought I had a pretty kick *** ro di system but you might've right Dave. It might be the damn chlorine. Ok- I'll run some tests when I get home. On the road for a few days.

[vikinglord13]

I wish I had found this thread when I first joined RC. Almost 2.5 hours later and I just finished... and the videos didn't even work so I could have easily spent another 30 minutes on this thread haha.

Sorry you lost your coral last fall. Hopefully you figure out what's causing the fish deaths soon.

[slief]

Originally Posted by Socaltoaz

Crap- I thought I had a pretty kick *** ro di system but you might've right Dave. It might be the damn chlorine. Ok- I'll run some tests when I get home. On the road for a few days.

Worse case, just get a 3 stage filter body and add a 5 micron sediment and a pair of Pentek chlorplus filters. Then put that in front of your RODI filter. That's what I did to eliminate chlorinates. You can get yourself either the standard 10" filter bodies or get the 20x4.5 big blue style filter bodies and the correct size filters to go with them. The bottom set of 3 is my chloramine prefilter setup. I think the total cost of the filter housing and 3 cartridges was around $120 going with the 10" filters.. Above that is my Spectrapure 100 GPD 1:1 UHE RODI. The nice thing about this whole setup is that the should improve the longevity of all the filters in the Spectrapure unit while also removing all the chloramines. You might give Gibbs a call at Spectrapure because he can offer you a turnkey perfilter setup for the chloramines.

[Socaltoaz]

Thanks scott. From bulk reef supply?

[slief]

Here is your 2017 water quality report from the city. Chlorine is listed but chloramines are not. That doesn't mean they don't use them but if they do, it's not listed. I would contact your local municipality to be sure. Spectrapure will also likely know since they are in your neck of the woods. More like your neck of the oven..

Your tap water report.
http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Assets/S...eport-2017.pdf

[slief]

Originally Posted by Socaltoaz

Thanks scott. From bulk reef supply?

No. I got the filter body from eBay and the cartridges from Amazon. I would give Charles Gibbs at Spectrpure a call first though before spending money elsewhere.

[Socaltoaz]

First things first- have ordered a test kit. Let's see what shows up.

[Arringar]

I haven't seen anyone mention dissolved O2 levels in response to your fish deaths. That is also seriously worth considering. You'd be surprised how low your O2 levels can be, even with significant air injection from the skimmer.

Have you truly ruled out environmental/household contaminants? Any risk of contamination with bug killers, air fresheners, car exhaust, etc?

Have you examined your sandbed for evidence of hydrogen sulfide buildup?

A very hard to identify/pinpoint deadly parasite might be present, like gill flukes. So many possibilities, but those are just a few thoughts. Hope you figure it out.

[Socaltoaz]

Originally Posted by Arringar

I haven't seen anyone mention dissolved O2 levels in response to your fish deaths. That is also seriously worth considering. You'd be surprised how low your O2 levels can be, even with significant air injection from the skimmer.

Have you truly ruled out environmental/household contaminants? Any risk of contamination with bug killers, air fresheners, car exhaust, etc?

Have you examined your sandbed for evidence of hydrogen sulfide buildup?

A very hard to identify/pinpoint deadly parasite might be present, like gill flukes. So many possibilities, but those are just a few thoughts. Hope you figure it out.

Zero chance with household contaminants. With regards to dissolved O2- I've got two massive skimmer pumps
Pumping air into my tank. I can't imagine that's an issue
But at this point- who knows.

I'm going to check for chlorine first- then start looking for
Other issues.

[Socaltoaz]

Chlorine and chloramine both zero in my water test. Test kit arrived today- I tested and water is perfect. Time to keep searching for th cause of the issues. No new fish are going on till I figure his out. All other fish doing great. Eating like pigs. Will keep you guy up to date.

[Mebeknob]

I'm thinking maybe something other than water quality.... but you've probably ruled these out.
How old were they? Could they have died from something like stress or old age? Bad food or swim bladder issues?


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[Socaltoaz]

Originally Posted by Mebeknob

I'm thinking maybe something other than water quality.... but you've probably ruled these out.
How old were they? Could they have died from something like stress or old age? Bad food or swim bladder issues?


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Doubt it. The search for the culprit continues. Very possible my supplier just had shitty stock. Who knows. I'm determined to get back to normal!