WOOT lol Odyssea NEEDLE WHEEL skimmer!

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 01:33 PM

LOLOL well guess what I just bought for the hell of it? http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp...ROD&ProdID=245

$30! for a freaking NW skimmer?? I'd be stupid NOT to do it! Yes I have a ER skimmer at the moment but hey what the heck!

THIRTY BUCKS! Buy it and toss the skimmer use the pump! OR convert it to a recirculating, just for kicks! it's $30! I'll post it when it comes in. Always handy to have another skimmer around the house.

beatle · 02/16/2007, 02:20 PM

Where does it say that it has a needlewheel pump?

Bathypelagic · 02/16/2007, 02:22 PM

You'll soon find out that the skimmer you are tossing is worth more than the pump you are saving.

Most people that have attempted to use this or an older larger version have kept the skimmer body and used a traditional needle wheel pump.

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beatle
Where does it say that it has a needlewheel pump?

It's in one of their pics.

Quote:

You'll soon find out that the skimmer you are tossing is worth more than the pump you are saving.

Once again this IS a needle wheel pump. And THAT is why I bought it
Notice the needle wheel logo on box. And in case you can't see it the air line is not going in front of the output of pump (making it a venturi) it is entering the input.

20reefer · 02/16/2007, 02:46 PM

I have the ps75 in my 30g reef and is great!!

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chevegan · 02/16/2007, 02:58 PM

woot you just got me really excited! Lets start a club! (Yes i'm also a part of the Euro Reefers but hey) I'll go cheap over pricey any day of the week! The greatest thing about being disabled is having an excuse for your cheap actions.

flipteg · 02/16/2007, 02:59 PM

haha, the "needle" part of that needle-wheel pump is a joke... the impeller looks pretty much just like a regular Maxi Jet impeller with little bumps on them for the "needle" part...

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by flipteg
haha, the "needle" part of that needle-wheel pump is a joke... the impeller looks pretty much just like a regular Maxi Jet impeller with little bumps on them for the "needle" part...

HEY No talking trash until you see the pics! I'll post all the parts here on this thread when they arrive!

20reefer · 02/16/2007, 03:09 PM

flipteg-well I heve not seen any needle wheel only the odyssea one and if you see the pics in my opinion works very well.

chevegan- that butterfly in your avatar is yours Im interested in getting one again.

Andrew · 02/16/2007, 03:16 PM

All I have to say... You get what you pay for.

brad23 · 02/16/2007, 03:17 PM

junk

flipteg · 02/16/2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chevegan
HEY No talking trash until you see the pics! I'll post all the parts here on this thread when they arrive!

i'm not trying to say anything bad about it... it's just that i find it humorous that the company puts little bumps on what almost looks like a regular Maxi Jet impeller, advertise needle-wheel and calls it a day...

Quote:

Originally posted by 20reefer
flipteg-well I heve not seen any needle wheel only the odyssea one and if you see the pics in my opinion works very well.

chevegan- that butterfly in your avatar is yours Im interested in getting one again.

i'm not saying that the skimmer does not perform well... my father has a hang on the back skimmer that he got on e-Bay for less $50... it uses the same pump... for $50 including shipping, it is very comparable to the BakPak which sells for $200 locally... but as for the pump, i just keep telling him to go ahead and replace it with a Maxi Jet pump...

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 03:42 PM

WOa WOa Woa, how on earth do you say that this one is junk.It literally came out this year. It's their first shot at needle wheels. Unlike most of you I try then criticize. I tested the plain venturi one against a remora Pro and it wooped the renowned remora ALLLL over the place. I don't agree with you that you get what you pay for all the time. i can make you the EXACT same ring that you would buy at tiffany's for 1/4! the price using the same if not better diamonds! When are all of you going to stop this flaming on things that are less expensive? Chinese kids who make these things are getting payed pennies to the dollar so overhead is WAY less. Plus I will tell you from personal experience that people for SOME reason like to get ripped off.

case in point........I have titanium bands in my showcase. Someone came in and said "OOO sir may I ask how much that is?" I said sure it's 50 dollars. He literally made a smug "eww" face and left. Next customer that asked about the titanium ring I now quoted $100 to...guess what HE BOUGHT IT.

Perceived value is much different than actual value. Cost on a titanium band is between $10-25 on the jewelry store. But simply because I raised the price it was worth more in someones eyes. The ring was the same.

In like manner. Lets say that the company that manufactures the OR pumps decides to provide the same pump in a different color without the OR logos to a company who is producing the EXACT same acrylic tubing and piping etc to make a skimmer now YOU TELL ME! Cost on acrylic tubing is mere CENTS!!!!!!!! when purchased in bulk. Please, I've been raised in the wholesale manufacturing industry and have done retail most of my life as well. If you EVER want to criticize ANYTHING you must test it first. I mean do you HONESTLY think that SAFEWAY brand Vinegar is ANY different than a brand name???? They are in fact bottled at the same facility. As long as the average population has this thinking that expensive skimmers are the BEST the manufacturers will continue selling them at the outrages prices they are. The effort and machinery used to make 1 light bulb is greater than that of any skimmer on the market. If you don't believe me take a tour of a plant and see. Till then don't talk till you actually test the item or have had personal experience.

20reefer · 02/16/2007, 03:44 PM

Flipteg- sorry my english is not very good and I misunderstand you.

flipteg · 02/16/2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chevegan
WOa WOa Woa, how on earth do you say that this one is junk.It literally came out this year. It's their first shot at needle wheels. Unlike most of you I try then criticize. I tested the plain venturi one against a remora Pro and it wooped the renowned remora ALLLL over the place. I don't agree with you that you get what you pay for all the time. i can make you the EXACT same ring that you would buy at tiffany's for 1/4! the price using the same if not better diamonds! When are all of you going to stop this flaming on things that are less expensive? Chinese kids who make these things are getting payed pennies to the dollar so overhead is WAY less. Plus I will tell you from personal experience that people for SOME reason like to get ripped off.

case in point........I have titanium bands in my showcase. Someone came in and said "OOO sir may I ask how much that is?" I said sure it's 50 dollars. He literally made a smug "eww" face and left. Next customer that asked about the titanium ring I now quoted $100 to...guess what HE BOUGHT IT.

Perceived value is much different than actual value. Cost on a titanium band is between $10-25 on the jewelry store. But simply because I raised the price it was worth more in someones eyes. The ring was the same.

In like manner. Lets say that the company that manufactures the OR pumps decides to provide the same pump in a different color without the OR logos to a company who is producing the EXACT same acrylic tubing and piping etc to make a skimmer now YOU TELL ME! Cost on acrylic tubing is mere CENTS!!!!!!!! when purchased in bulk. Please, I've been raised in the wholesale manufacturing industry and have done retail most of my life as well. If you EVER want to criticize ANYTHING you must test it first. I mean do you HONESTLY think that SAFEWAY brand Vinegar is ANY different than a brand name???? They are in fact bottled at the same facility. As long as the average population has this thinking that expensive skimmers are the BEST the manufacturers will continue selling them at the outrages prices they are. The effort and machinery used to make 1 light bulb is greater than that of any skimmer on the market. If you don't believe me take a tour of a plant and see. Till then don't talk till you actually test the item or have had personal experience.

haha, people really do get attached to their skimmers...

Bathypelagic · 02/16/2007, 03:54 PM

The PS75 has been out several years. I had a neighbor that had one 2 years ago. It's not a true needlewheel, in that as others have said there are just small bumps on the impeller. Yes with constant adjustment you can get it to skim. The pump itself sounds like one of those wind-up toys.

As Andrew stated - you get what you pay for.

Andrew · 02/16/2007, 03:57 PM

A) The skimmers made very cheaply and the pump is pretty much worthless for any skimmer. A Gen-x 2400 would pull alot more air than that no name brand pump. A seaclone might skim better than one of these. The skimmer I made out skim many skimmers and I built it for less than $250. Yea, you could mod it and make it a better skimmer but the body of the skimmer is still poorly built. Here's a rio 1700 with a mesh impeller.... as you can see the body is FULLY filled with bubbles:

Skimmer on my 75... less than a days worth:

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 04:15 PM

Well I'm not expecting it to skim better than my ER (it's not replacing it, that's in my other tank) However according to them this is their newest model. I have the old PS75. This one is very different. I think with the mesh mod it might turn a few heads. There are a lot of "financially inadequate" people on RC and I want to help them. By me "wasting" my time and money they may not have to. Think of it as a public service lol.

But really, I know some people who love this hobby but just can't get the greatest things due to money. I've been one of those extremely strapped for cash. I know what it's like.

20reefer · 02/16/2007, 05:07 PM

someone know a tread about the mesh mod in the impeler?? Sorry for my english it is not my first language.

akaatomic · 02/16/2007, 05:41 PM

Here here. Free, cheap, used. It all helps. I'm starting to outgrow my skimmer. I'll spend $30 to run two skimmers for a while and test this thing out as well. I would also be totally willing to butcher this thing for "mods" sake. haha.

chevegan · 02/16/2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by akaatomic
Here here. Free, cheap, used. It all helps. I'm starting to outgrow my skimmer. I'll spend $30 to run two skimmers for a while and test this thing out as well. I would also be totally willing to butcher this thing for "mods" sake. haha.

Damn straight! Lift up your glasses men!

Andrew · 02/16/2007, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 20reefer
someone know a tread about the mesh mod in the impeler?? Sorry for my english it is not my first language.

Here you go:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...5&pagenumber=1

20reefer · 02/16/2007, 09:22 PM

Thanks Andrew!!

Zestay · 02/16/2007, 10:07 PM

hey yah know. for 30 dollars. its a great skimmer! it skims crap doesnt it? if your skimmer breaks and you have this guy on yhand incase of some failure. its a hella lot better than no skimmer eh.

jeffgp · 02/16/2007, 11:05 PM

ya im thinking of doing the jebo 520 for the 80 shipped to my door .
i think i can make it work

02/16/2007, 01:33 PM	#1
chevegan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 1,507	WOOT lol Odyssea NEEDLE WHEEL skimmer! LOLOL well guess what I just bought for the hell of it? http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp...ROD&ProdID=245 $30! for a freaking NW skimmer?? I'd be stupid NOT to do it! Yes I have a ER skimmer at the moment but hey what the heck! THIRTY BUCKS! Buy it and toss the skimmer use the pump! OR convert it to a recirculating, just for kicks! it's $30! I'll post it when it comes in. Always handy to have another skimmer around the house. __________________ Everything is copasetic. Reefing on a budget Current Tank Info: 48x13x25 custom FO room devider, 12gNC, oceanic 90 reef 100lbs LR, 6x54w HO-t5, SPS/LPS few softies

02/16/2007, 02:22 PM	#3
Bathypelagic Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 100	You'll soon find out that the skimmer you are tossing is worth more than the pump you are saving. Most people that have attempted to use this or an older larger version have kept the skimmer body and used a traditional needle wheel pump. Last edited by Bathypelagic; 02/16/2007 at 02:28 PM.

02/16/2007, 02:46 PM	#5
20reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico Posts: 655	I have the ps75 in my 30g reef and is great!! [IMG][/IMG]

02/16/2007, 02:58 PM	#6
chevegan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 1,507	woot you just got me really excited! Lets start a club! (Yes i'm also a part of the Euro Reefers but hey) I'll go cheap over pricey any day of the week! The greatest thing about being disabled is having an excuse for your cheap actions. __________________ Everything is copasetic. Reefing on a budget Current Tank Info: 48x13x25 custom FO room devider, 12gNC, oceanic 90 reef 100lbs LR, 6x54w HO-t5, SPS/LPS few softies

02/16/2007, 03:17 PM	#11
brad23 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bloomington IL Posts: 2,986	junk __________________ Ye old English Current Tank Info: 75g reef

02/16/2007, 02:20 PM	#2
beatle Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 181	Where does it say that it has a needlewheel pump?

02/16/2007, 02:59 PM	#7
flipteg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 809	haha, the "needle" part of that needle-wheel pump is a joke... the impeller looks pretty much just like a regular Maxi Jet impeller with little bumps on them for the "needle" part...

02/16/2007, 03:09 PM	#9
20reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico Posts: 655	flipteg-well I heve not seen any needle wheel only the odyssea one and if you see the pics in my opinion works very well. chevegan- that butterfly in your avatar is yours Im interested in getting one again.

02/16/2007, 03:16 PM	#10
Andrew Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13,323	All I have to say... You get what you pay for.

02/16/2007, 03:42 PM	#13
chevegan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 1,507	WOa WOa Woa, how on earth do you say that this one is junk.It literally came out this year. It's their first shot at needle wheels. Unlike most of you I try then criticize. I tested the plain venturi one against a remora Pro and it wooped the renowned remora ALLLL over the place. I don't agree with you that you get what you pay for all the time. i can make you the EXACT same ring that you would buy at tiffany's for 1/4! the price using the same if not better diamonds! When are all of you going to stop this flaming on things that are less expensive? Chinese kids who make these things are getting payed pennies to the dollar so overhead is WAY less. Plus I will tell you from personal experience that people for SOME reason like to get ripped off. case in point........I have titanium bands in my showcase. Someone came in and said "OOO sir may I ask how much that is?" I said sure it's 50 dollars. He literally made a smug "eww" face and left. Next customer that asked about the titanium ring I now quoted $100 to...guess what HE BOUGHT IT. Perceived value is much different than actual value. Cost on a titanium band is between $10-25 on the jewelry store. But simply because I raised the price it was worth more in someones eyes. The ring was the same. In like manner. Lets say that the company that manufactures the OR pumps decides to provide the same pump in a different color without the OR logos to a company who is producing the EXACT same acrylic tubing and piping etc to make a skimmer now YOU TELL ME! Cost on acrylic tubing is mere CENTS!!!!!!!! when purchased in bulk. Please, I've been raised in the wholesale manufacturing industry and have done retail most of my life as well. If you EVER want to criticize ANYTHING you must test it first. I mean do you HONESTLY think that SAFEWAY brand Vinegar is ANY different than a brand name???? They are in fact bottled at the same facility. As long as the average population has this thinking that expensive skimmers are the BEST the manufacturers will continue selling them at the outrages prices they are. The effort and machinery used to make 1 light bulb is greater than that of any skimmer on the market. If you don't believe me take a tour of a plant and see. Till then don't talk till you actually test the item or have had personal experience. __________________ Everything is copasetic. Reefing on a budget Current Tank Info: 48x13x25 custom FO room devider, 12gNC, oceanic 90 reef 100lbs LR, 6x54w HO-t5, SPS/LPS few softies

02/16/2007, 03:44 PM	#14
20reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico Posts: 655	Flipteg- sorry my english is not very good and I misunderstand you.

02/16/2007, 03:54 PM	#16
Bathypelagic Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 100	The PS75 has been out several years. I had a neighbor that had one 2 years ago. It's not a true needlewheel, in that as others have said there are just small bumps on the impeller. Yes with constant adjustment you can get it to skim. The pump itself sounds like one of those wind-up toys. As Andrew stated - you get what you pay for. Last edited by Bathypelagic; 02/16/2007 at 04:00 PM.

02/16/2007, 03:57 PM	#17
Andrew Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13,323	A) The skimmers made very cheaply and the pump is pretty much worthless for any skimmer. A Gen-x 2400 would pull alot more air than that no name brand pump. A seaclone might skim better than one of these. The skimmer I made out skim many skimmers and I built it for less than $250. Yea, you could mod it and make it a better skimmer but the body of the skimmer is still poorly built. Here's a rio 1700 with a mesh impeller.... as you can see the body is FULLY filled with bubbles: Skimmer on my 75... less than a days worth:

02/16/2007, 04:15 PM	#18
chevegan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 1,507	Well I'm not expecting it to skim better than my ER (it's not replacing it, that's in my other tank) However according to them this is their newest model. I have the old PS75. This one is very different. I think with the mesh mod it might turn a few heads. There are a lot of "financially inadequate" people on RC and I want to help them. By me "wasting" my time and money they may not have to. Think of it as a public service lol. But really, I know some people who love this hobby but just can't get the greatest things due to money. I've been one of those extremely strapped for cash. I know what it's like. __________________ Everything is copasetic. Reefing on a budget Current Tank Info: 48x13x25 custom FO room devider, 12gNC, oceanic 90 reef 100lbs LR, 6x54w HO-t5, SPS/LPS few softies

02/16/2007, 05:07 PM	#19
20reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico Posts: 655	someone know a tread about the mesh mod in the impeler?? Sorry for my english it is not my first language.

02/16/2007, 05:41 PM	#20
akaatomic Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 155	Here here. Free, cheap, used. It all helps. I'm starting to outgrow my skimmer. I'll spend $30 to run two skimmers for a while and test this thing out as well. I would also be totally willing to butcher this thing for "mods" sake. haha.

02/16/2007, 09:22 PM	#23
20reefer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico Posts: 655	Thanks Andrew!!

02/16/2007, 10:07 PM	#24
Zestay Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: gainesville, FL Posts: 1,607	hey yah know. for 30 dollars. its a great skimmer! it skims crap doesnt it? if your skimmer breaks and you have this guy on yhand incase of some failure. its a hella lot better than no skimmer eh.

02/16/2007, 11:05 PM	#25
jeffgp Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: milwaukee Posts: 626	ya im thinking of doing the jebo 520 for the 80 shipped to my door . i think i can make it work __________________ (Member of the Gem Tang Rider Posse) check my red house Current Tank Info: reef tank