Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > Coral Forums > SPS Keepers
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 07/01/2008, 01:01 PM   #1
Genetics
ReefKeeping Mag
 
Genetics's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ontario, Ohio
Posts: 4,722
Let's see 'em - Before and After pics of Vodka Dosing!

I'm looking for people that have taken shots of corals and or their tanks before and after vodka dosing. What kind of results did you see? Were you happy with the outcome? I personally, have been incredibly happy with the outcome. However, I failed to document by photography.

Anyone willing to share their experience?


Genetics is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 01:32 PM   #2
MammothReefer
Registered Member
 
MammothReefer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
Posts: 3,424
Ya I haven't taken photos either but I am happy with the progress of I have seen since I started dosing vodka, and upping my wc amount.


__________________
Reefin @ 8298'

Current Tank Info: 105 Peninsula
MammothReefer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 01:41 PM   #3
miwoodar
Likey the bikey
 
miwoodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,378
Here are my before and afters. These pics and my tank specs were posted this in the Let's Talk About Vodka/Sugar Dosing thread a few months back. I changed cameras between the before and afters. The afters are much closer to the real thing. The befores were somewhat washed out. The color change was real though when I started dosing a carbon source and started feeding more.

I took an updated set recently but they are still in the camera. My green slimer now has 3 tips at the surface of the water and a 4th a couple of weeks from doing the same. The pink/tan acropora hyacinthus, if that is what it actually is, is now a fair bit pinker. Other than that, no additional noticeable changes.

I'm now dosing an average of ~1 mL/day and I'm feeding an average of two blocks of food/day. My last water change was in January. The last one before that was July of 2007.


January 2nd...


April 2nd (or so)....


January 2nd....(this one still shows my problem child California Tort)


April 2nd...





More April pics...
I had great extension on my digitata until I got may flame angel. He nips it just enough to force it to keep it's polyps partially retracted.



This acro hyacinthus, if that is what it is, is now much pinker. It's also about a week or two away from making contact with the slimmer and has started battling with the pocillopora.





__________________
Mike

On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though.

Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube

Last edited by miwoodar; 07/01/2008 at 01:49 PM.
miwoodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 02:02 PM   #4
Chrisrush
Registered Member
 
Chrisrush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 2,462
Looks good Mike. I'll have to post some pictures of my before and afters. I have been dosing vodka for about 4 months now, I'm up to about 2 ml/day. I was adding zeo aahc in addition to daily feedings, but I believe I OD'd on the AAs and that has set me back a bit on color. Growth has been great though.

I'm thinking about starting AAs again, maybe this time I'll go with Fauna Marin or another brand.


__________________
Thanks,
Chris

Current Tank Info: 140g rimless pennisula, ATi Powercone skimmer, Tunze, Bailing Lite, SPS dominated, ZEO powered
Chrisrush is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 04:10 PM   #5
tgcreef
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
Posts: 1,075
Sorry for the noob question. But could you guys maby explain how the vodka helps the tank. It obviously does with those pics but can you tell me in how it works.

thanks

-Tim


__________________
Reefing since 2001

Current Tank Info: 30 gallon JBJ rimless
tgcreef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 04:19 PM   #6
143gadgets
Moved On
 
143gadgets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 3,305
Quote:
Originally posted by tgcreef
Sorry for the noob question. But could you guys maby explain how the vodka helps the tank. It obviously does with those pics but can you tell me in how it works.

thanks

-Tim
Put on your reading glasses!

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1225324


143gadgets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 04:24 PM   #7
miwoodar
Likey the bikey
 
miwoodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,378
The theory - in as few words as possible (and from a total laymen):

Various types of bacteria can become 'carbon limited' in terms of growth. In essense, most tanks have enough phosphate and nitrate to grow more bacteria, but not enough usable carbon. By adding more usable carbon bacteria populations increase. This process removes usable phosphates and nitrates out of the water column. These building blocks are then not able to be used by the microscopic algaes in the corals which are typically tan/brown. The microscopic algae populations decrease making the corals, especially SPS, more colorful by unmasking the pigments.

Lower nutrients (within reason) = better color


__________________
Mike

On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though.

Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube
miwoodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 04:31 PM   #8
tgcreef
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
Posts: 1,075
thanks a lot. That definantly helped. (My reading glasses are on for the next hour or so.)


__________________
Reefing since 2001

Current Tank Info: 30 gallon JBJ rimless
tgcreef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/01/2008, 05:42 PM   #9
BISHY
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 35
if you posted pics could you also add how much of what you are dosing. be interesting if there is a standard / similar dose and the effects each tank has achieved with that amount.


BISHY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 08:39 AM   #10
miwoodar
Likey the bikey
 
miwoodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,378
Here's a writeup of the first few months of my carbon dosing experience: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...1#post12310941

My current dosing approach prefaced my pics.


__________________
Mike

On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though.

Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube
miwoodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 10:40 AM   #11
africangrey
Registered Member
 
africangrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: N Ca
Posts: 999
mike,
Any difference between Smirnoff vs. Absolute Volka, they are all 80% proof or 40% ethenol. What brand of sugar and vinegar do you use. Do you make a big batch by mixing all the ingredient together if so can you provide the recipe, thanks in advance.


africangrey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 11:55 AM   #12
miwoodar
Likey the bikey
 
miwoodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,378
Vodka is vodka. The only reason I'm not using generic is that we have a number of bottles and none of them happen to be generic. I would highly recommend reading the thread(s) on the subject. Carbon loading is not without risk. Or maybe Genetics can summarize his thoughts? He has a pretty good idea of what is going on (better than me, that's for sure).

The Reef Aquarium Volume Three by Delbeek and Sprung apparently has some good discussion on it. I haven't read it but I really want to get the book so I can see what their thoughts are.

Also, Flint and Eric have posted some great stuff in their blog...

Their recipe here:
http://glassbox-design.com/2008/achi...perimentation/

Some thoughts on amino acids here:
http://glassbox-design.com/2008/amin...-do-they-work/


__________________
Mike

On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though.

Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube
miwoodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 03:54 PM   #13
Mr James
Premium Member
 
Mr James's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kernersville, NC
Posts: 6,237
Re: Let's see 'em - Before and After pics of Vodka Dosing!

Quote:
by Genetics
I'm looking for people that have taken shots of corals and or their tanks before and after vodka dosing. What kind of results did you see?
Crap, I thought you were looking for people trying to control HA. I have a few pics of the before's and after's using vodka, but for HA control. I am dosing 15mL/day.


Mr James is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 05:30 PM   #14
spleify
Registered Member
 
spleify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 9,588
I've seen the tank in person, and not to take anything away from Mike's great photography skills. I must say the tank looks ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING in person!!! The colors and the changes the tank has gone through, are absolutely amazing.
He's inspired a lot of us. Thanks Mike.

Spleify


__________________
Make it a Great Day!!!!

Current Tank Info: 60 gal SPS cube, with 25 gal refugium, 400W MH, DIY Lumenarc III, DIY skimmer, DIY stand and canopy. 40 breeder LPS with 40 gallon sump, DIY stand, 250W MH
spleify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 06:09 PM   #15
Oldude
Premium Member
 
Oldude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 3,308
Quote:
Originally posted by tgcreef
Sorry for the noob question. But could you guys maby explain how the vodka helps the tank. It obviously does with those pics but can you tell me in how it works.

thanks

-Tim
Vodka helps your reef get "tanked"


miwoodar your corals look great.


Oldude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 06:28 PM   #16
dme330i
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: SC
Posts: 99
Bubble Gum Poci

Before Vodka dosing, AA routine and Zeo rocks




6 weeks later




dme330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 06:30 PM   #17
dme330i
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: SC
Posts: 99
Orange digi that has continues to intensify in color:




dme330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 07:21 PM   #18
pusanpa
60g sps + 20g mix + 8g
 
pusanpa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chicago (Lakeview) 60657
Posts: 1,379
miwoodar
Very impressive! How many fish do you have in your tank?


pusanpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 07:30 PM   #19
dme330i
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: SC
Posts: 99
some unknown

before



2 months after




dme330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/02/2008, 10:46 PM   #20
Mik_101
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver canada
Posts: 86
Quote:
Originally posted by dme330i
some unknown

before



2 months after

Bit of topic but it looks like and tricolor acro.


__________________
46g 2x 250w hamilton 10k metal halides 2x39w hagen actinics sps dominent mixed reef

Current Tank Info: 46 g mixed reef 2x 250w mh 2x39w actinics
Mik_101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/03/2008, 09:21 AM   #21
africangrey
Registered Member
 
africangrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: N Ca
Posts: 999
Mike,
How do you keep the stock mixture sterile, do you aliquate them out into several small tubes or container to prevent from contamination with bacteria, 0.5mL to 3mL/day will last you a very long time. Is refrigeration required?
Spencer


africangrey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07/03/2008, 09:23 AM   #22
miwoodar
Likey the bikey
 
miwoodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,378
Quote:
Originally posted by pusanpa
miwoodar
Very impressive! How many fish do you have in your tank?
Thanks. Four.

Pacific Blue (3 years)
6-Line (3.5 years)
Watchman Goby (3.5 years)
Flame Angel (~6 months)

I'm moving into a 140 shortly.

dme330i - those are looking good. It's like opening Christmas presents!

africangrey - I keep it in one of these in the fridge and draw it out by a syringe. If I'm feeling lazy I shoot directly from the bottle. I've measured shots from the bottle a handful of times and have always gotten fairly close to my target dosage of 1.5 mL/day.




__________________
Mike

On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though.

Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube
miwoodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/06/2008, 02:35 PM   #23
spleify
Registered Member
 
spleify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 9,588
Anyone else?


__________________
Make it a Great Day!!!!

Current Tank Info: 60 gal SPS cube, with 25 gal refugium, 400W MH, DIY Lumenarc III, DIY skimmer, DIY stand and canopy. 40 breeder LPS with 40 gallon sump, DIY stand, 250W MH
spleify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07/06/2008, 03:03 PM   #24
spykes
Registered Member
 
spykes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Brooklyn NY
Posts: 434
what brand of booze is everyone giving their tanks?


__________________
David -

Current Tank Info: 125 long 50 gallon sump 3x icecap 250s.
spykes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07/07/2008, 04:39 PM   #25
TomRep
Registered Member
 
TomRep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Fleetwood, PA 19522
Posts: 1,234
Anyone have any problems with Monti's while dosing vodka? I am having problems with Monti's losing their flesh. Started with my superman about 2 weeks ago, and now is effecting my danea's, Setosa, Undata, and digi's. Only acro I seem to be having a problem with is one of my blue torts. My caps seem to be fine as of now. The only other thing I can relate this to is an adjustment I made in my alkalinity. It was lower then I like at 7 dkh and I raised it to 10 dkh in about 4 days (by accident). Nothing else I can think of has changed with my system.
tom


__________________
"I got me a big wave, ride me a big wave, got me a big..WAVE!" Ed Vedder
It's a reef thing, you wouldn't understand!

Current Tank Info: 50 breeder w/o sump mixed reef, sps dominant. NEP T5 fixture with no stock bulbs, Bermuda Rogue HOB skimmer, canister filter, DIY hang on fuge, 2x modded MJ400's, Tunze Osmolator ATO, Randy's 2 part dosed with and Aquamedic twin
TomRep is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:34 PM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014