2000g System overview

nyvp · 05/18/2006, 12:04 PM

2000g System overview
Well took the plunge and put deposit on the tank

Tank - 550g
Sump- 250g
Remote Storage- 950g
6'Spazz Skimmer- ?g
150' 2" plumbing ?g
Assorted Reactors ?g
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2000g+

The Tank will be a 550g 3-side view Peninsula tank

120"Lx36"Wx30"H

3 Side Low Iron- Front - Back - Left Side.

Sides will be 1/2" Bottom 3/4

Sump will Be 250 G Broken into 4 chambers

1 st chamber is Frag grow out tank
2nd chamber Remote dsb
3rd chamber Refuge
4th chamber Equipment (reactors,monitors,ect and flow/return to the remote cistern

Buried in the ground is a 950 Poly Geo Thermal Cistern
Its 6.5'x5.5'

I will have 2- " Pvc pipe flowing back and forth from tank into this Cistern for two reasons
1- Adding 950g to system (do I need another reason? 8 )
2- Hope, praying, that It will keep my tank cooler

Skimmer-
Hoping that the DIY GOD Spazz will be building me a Super dupper that only he can build skimmer for this baby.
Recirq Needle Wheel Skimmer
More on that later

Lighting-
4-250W MH's XM10k in LumIII's Down center of tank
4-2 bulb 54w T 5's 2 on each side of the MH's

Closed Loop is going to be on a Seq Dart on OM 4 way all facing left on #3 drum

Flow from Remote sump will be run through a Seq 4300 I belive.

So there is my start will be adding more later.

Pictures to follow

sabodish · 05/18/2006, 12:59 PM

dude..1/2" glass on a 10' long 30" high tank...thats a no no...i think you better increase it to 3/4" all around. who is building this tank? is it cross braced ever foot or something?

Fiziksgeek · 05/18/2006, 01:28 PM

The glass thickness also makes me nervous....

I like the idea of the geo thermal cistern. The ground tmp stays pretty constant and pretty cool compared with the tank. I am interested to see how is works...

nyvp · 05/18/2006, 02:06 PM

Exotic aquariums In south miami.
Most Tank builder say the 1/2" is fine 3/4" on the bottom.
Euro Braced around with 3 braces.

This is the tank Design

Picture of the wall I'm going to take down and replace with the tank

Picture of the idea I got from Sanjays thread of a stand

Pic of similar Poly Tank

Bebo77 · 05/18/2006, 03:42 PM

950 gallons of storage.. that doesnt count into twv cheater.... lol

nyvp · 05/18/2006, 03:59 PM

Hey why not 8 (
If its attached to my tank I count it. ( and i'm sticking to it )

Scuba_Dave · 05/18/2006, 05:41 PM

I want your tank

sabodish · 05/18/2006, 05:49 PM

good luck with this...im anxious to see how long it holds water being eurobraced with that thickness of glass. otherwise, its sweet. when i had my 360 it was built from 1/2" but it was 8' long and cross braced in three spots.

swegyptian · 05/18/2006, 05:49 PM

Couldn't you just have a vat of freshwater with a long line curled inside it, through which runs the saltwater? That might make life easier. It would probably work just as well for the cooling, but not as a system buffer.

nyvp · 05/18/2006, 07:36 PM

Scuba_Dave- I dont really like it much if you really want the tank its yours.

swegyptian-the whole idea of the cistern is its pretty much a closed loop

I'm going to talk to the builder about the 3/4 again tomorrow ...we'll see

pennyguy23 · 05/18/2006, 08:49 PM

I have to agree with Bebo77. 950gl storage? First of all that big of a storage tank is point less. Thats more then the total tank and sump. So really the heading should be 550gl.
Now Wills thread is going to be a 2000gl system
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=584220

nyvp · 05/19/2006, 05:48 AM

You have to remember I'm turning over that tank 4-5 times an hr. It's not like the tank isn't a full flowing part of the system. As of being pointless I guess everyone has their own Idea's. To me anytime you can add volume to a tank you making the system that much better. The money I save on cooling the tank will also be nice.

Fiziksgeek · 05/19/2006, 06:13 AM

I would say the cistern storage counts against total tank volume...It might not be a pretty as the 1000g lagoon that I have seen here on RC, but it does play an important role. You get extra system volume, and hopefully cooling out of it.

And heck, at 550g, the tank is bigger then most...

Carl_in_Florida · 05/19/2006, 09:37 AM

He did say it was a 2000 system with a 550 gallon tank.

I like the stand idea.

Carl

nyvp · 05/19/2006, 10:48 AM

Ya the stand will be nice I'm going to use 2- 4" I beams with 1 1/2 .120 thick square tube frame on top of that. Then granite on top of that to finish it off.

Carl_in_Florida · 05/19/2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nyvp
Ya the stand will be nice I'm going to use 2- 4" I beams with 1 1/2 .120 thick square tube frame on top of that.

Yeah, I don't know what that means. Make sure you post pics.

You removed the tile then laid and filled the cinderblocks right? How many bags did it take?

CArl

nyvp · 05/19/2006, 12:45 PM

no you leave the tile and put a sheet of plastic down and cut around it so you can remove later. No worry about it moving with all that weight. Should take less than 2 bags

nyvp · 05/20/2006, 11:03 AM

In goes the new double door.....

And my wife thinks its for her ....

Little did she know the real reason was I needed the extra 36" to get the tank into the house

Freed · 05/20/2006, 11:20 AM

You may want to go with at least 400 watt MH with the tank that deep if you will be putting any corals on the bottom. 250 watt wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate that deep. I'm no expert though.

nyvp · 05/20/2006, 12:26 PM

with the aqua sculpting that I'm doing the lowest anything will be is 24" and the outside edges will be t5's that I can always overdrive to 80watt if I need to. I understand where your coming from as with the 30"

dgasmd · 05/20/2006, 03:43 PM

Would love to come by and check it out as you are not too far from me (West Palm). The 950g storage tank will be a very nice touch, but I ahve to tell you it will considerably increase your running costs for carbon, salt, water, O/DI prefilters/DI resins, etc. If you end up not needing a chiller, then that is a great trade off.

nyvp · 05/20/2006, 03:57 PM

The aqua scaping will only go down to 24". I will be using T5'S on the outside of the MH's in 54 watt. If I need extra, I'll bump them up to 80 watt to hit the bottom.

nyvp · 05/20/2006, 05:29 PM

dgasmd
Your invited anytime. I'm actually going to try and come to your meeting at the end of this month. You have one of the nicest tanks down here in south florida. When I started going through my build on paper I took a lot of info from you.

skriz · 05/26/2006, 07:51 PM

nyvp,

you tank is very similar to mine. 120 x 35 x 35.

however, mine in 3/4 starphire with eurobracing and cross bracing on the top.

I am also running 250w 10k xm in lumerarcs. however, i supplement with vho. better in this application, i think.

it's funny, because your setup is so similar it's like you looked at my data and copied it. having said that, if you have any questions let me know. I have made a ton of mistakes along the way and it sucks.

how are you doing the canopy?

I agree with you, if the tank water flows through it, it counts!

nyvp · 05/26/2006, 08:43 PM

how do you like your xm's?
My canopy will be kitchen cabinet tops built in so I can get up there and get my arm in.
What are some of the things you think you could have done better?

05/18/2006, 12:04 PM	#1
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	2000g System overview 2000g System overview Well took the plunge and put deposit on the tank Tank - 550g Sump- 250g Remote Storage- 950g 6'Spazz Skimmer- ?g 150' 2" plumbing ?g Assorted Reactors ?g ---------------------------- 2000g+ The Tank will be a 550g 3-side view Peninsula tank 120"Lx36"Wx30"H 3 Side Low Iron- Front - Back - Left Side. Sides will be 1/2" Bottom 3/4 Sump will Be 250 G Broken into 4 chambers 1 st chamber is Frag grow out tank 2nd chamber Remote dsb 3rd chamber Refuge 4th chamber Equipment (reactors,monitors,ect and flow/return to the remote cistern Buried in the ground is a 950 Poly Geo Thermal Cistern Its 6.5'x5.5' I will have 2- " Pvc pipe flowing back and forth from tank into this Cistern for two reasons 1- Adding 950g to system (do I need another reason? 8 ) 2- Hope, praying, that It will keep my tank cooler Skimmer- Hoping that the DIY GOD Spazz will be building me a Super dupper that only he can build skimmer for this baby. Recirq Needle Wheel Skimmer More on that later Lighting- 4-250W MH's XM10k in LumIII's Down center of tank 4-2 bulb 54w T 5's 2 on each side of the MH's Closed Loop is going to be on a Seq Dart on OM 4 way all facing left on #3 drum Flow from Remote sump will be run through a Seq 4300 I belive. So there is my start will be adding more later. Pictures to follow

05/18/2006, 02:06 PM	#4
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	Exotic aquariums In south miami. Most Tank builder say the 1/2" is fine 3/4" on the bottom. Euro Braced around with 3 braces. This is the tank Design Picture of the wall I'm going to take down and replace with the tank Picture of the idea I got from Sanjays thread of a stand Pic of similar Poly Tank Last edited by nyvp; 05/18/2006 at 02:29 PM.

05/18/2006, 03:42 PM	#5
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	950 gallons of storage.. that doesnt count into twv cheater.... lol __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

05/18/2006, 08:49 PM	#11
pennyguy23 Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MI Posts: 694	I have to agree with Bebo77. 950gl storage? First of all that big of a storage tank is point less. Thats more then the total tank and sump. So really the heading should be 550gl. Now Wills thread is going to be a 2000gl system http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=584220 __________________ Steven - See my tank in my gallery Current Tank Info: 360gl inwall, reef , 40"Geo Skimmer, 4 Tunze 6100's w/ controllers 400watt Sfiligoi Lighting with 4 ACLS Units

05/19/2006, 09:37 AM	#14
Carl_in_Florida Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Delray Beach, Fl Posts: 2,348	He did say it was a 2000 system with a 550 gallon tank. I like the stand idea. Carl __________________ Stupid should be painful

05/18/2006, 12:59 PM	#2
sabodish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Holly Springs, NC Posts: 1,703	dude..1/2" glass on a 10' long 30" high tank...thats a no no...i think you better increase it to 3/4" all around. who is building this tank? is it cross braced ever foot or something?

05/18/2006, 01:28 PM	#3
Fiziksgeek Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oxford, CT Posts: 1,565	The glass thickness also makes me nervous.... I like the idea of the geo thermal cistern. The ground tmp stays pretty constant and pretty cool compared with the tank. I am interested to see how is works...

05/18/2006, 03:59 PM	#6
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	Hey why not 8 ( If its attached to my tank I count it. ( and i'm sticking to it )

05/18/2006, 05:41 PM	#7
Scuba_Dave EMERTXE YID Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Asylum, South of Boston, MA Posts: 10,362	I want your tank

05/18/2006, 05:49 PM	#8
sabodish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Holly Springs, NC Posts: 1,703	good luck with this...im anxious to see how long it holds water being eurobraced with that thickness of glass. otherwise, its sweet. when i had my 360 it was built from 1/2" but it was 8' long and cross braced in three spots.

05/18/2006, 05:49 PM	#9
swegyptian Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 991	Couldn't you just have a vat of freshwater with a long line curled inside it, through which runs the saltwater? That might make life easier. It would probably work just as well for the cooling, but not as a system buffer.

05/18/2006, 07:36 PM	#10
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	Scuba_Dave- I dont really like it much if you really want the tank its yours. swegyptian-the whole idea of the cistern is its pretty much a closed loop I'm going to talk to the builder about the 3/4 again tomorrow ...we'll see

05/19/2006, 05:48 AM	#12
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	You have to remember I'm turning over that tank 4-5 times an hr. It's not like the tank isn't a full flowing part of the system. As of being pointless I guess everyone has their own Idea's. To me anytime you can add volume to a tank you making the system that much better. The money I save on cooling the tank will also be nice.

05/19/2006, 06:13 AM	#13
Fiziksgeek Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oxford, CT Posts: 1,565	I would say the cistern storage counts against total tank volume...It might not be a pretty as the 1000g lagoon that I have seen here on RC, but it does play an important role. You get extra system volume, and hopefully cooling out of it. And heck, at 550g, the tank is bigger then most...

05/19/2006, 10:48 AM	#15
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	Ya the stand will be nice I'm going to use 2- 4" I beams with 1 1/2 .120 thick square tube frame on top of that. Then granite on top of that to finish it off.

05/19/2006, 12:45 PM	#17
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	no you leave the tile and put a sheet of plastic down and cut around it so you can remove later. No worry about it moving with all that weight. Should take less than 2 bags

05/20/2006, 11:03 AM	#18
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	In goes the new double door..... And my wife thinks its for her .... Little did she know the real reason was I needed the extra 36" to get the tank into the house

05/20/2006, 11:20 AM	#19
Freed It's what it's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 41° 2' 45" N 85° 8' 43" W Posts: 7,579	You may want to go with at least 400 watt MH with the tank that deep if you will be putting any corals on the bottom. 250 watt wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate that deep. I'm no expert though. __________________ Freed Current Tank Info: 180gal(1120 watts of MH/VHO light), 60gal "sump", Deltec 601 calcium reactor, Euro Reef CS8-3+ skimmer, 20 gallon QT

05/20/2006, 12:26 PM	#20
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	with the aqua sculpting that I'm doing the lowest anything will be is 24" and the outside edges will be t5's that I can always overdrive to 80watt if I need to. I understand where your coming from as with the 30"

05/20/2006, 03:43 PM	#21
dgasmd Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: US Posts: 3,402	Would love to come by and check it out as you are not too far from me (West Palm). The 950g storage tank will be a very nice touch, but I ahve to tell you it will considerably increase your running costs for carbon, salt, water, O/DI prefilters/DI resins, etc. If you end up not needing a chiller, then that is a great trade off. __________________ Arguing with ignorant people is an exercise in futility. They will bring you down to their level and once there they will beat you with their overwhelming experience. Current Tank Info: Currently out of the hobby, but considering a Comeback V 2.1!

05/20/2006, 03:57 PM	#22
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	The aqua scaping will only go down to 24". I will be using T5'S on the outside of the MH's in 54 watt. If I need extra, I'll bump them up to 80 watt to hit the bottom.

05/20/2006, 05:29 PM	#23
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	dgasmd Your invited anytime. I'm actually going to try and come to your meeting at the end of this month. You have one of the nicest tanks down here in south florida. When I started going through my build on paper I took a lot of info from you.

05/26/2006, 07:51 PM	#24
skriz Moved On Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 502	nyvp, you tank is very similar to mine. 120 x 35 x 35. however, mine in 3/4 starphire with eurobracing and cross bracing on the top. I am also running 250w 10k xm in lumerarcs. however, i supplement with vho. better in this application, i think. it's funny, because your setup is so similar it's like you looked at my data and copied it. having said that, if you have any questions let me know. I have made a ton of mistakes along the way and it sucks. how are you doing the canopy? I agree with you, if the tank water flows through it, it counts!

05/26/2006, 08:43 PM	#25
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	how do you like your xm's? My canopy will be kitchen cabinet tops built in so I can get up there and get my arm in. What are some of the things you think you could have done better?