The angel thread to end all angel threads: all owners of angelfish in reefs respond!!

LobsterOfJustice · 06/25/2009, 07:54 AM

The same thread is going in General Reef Discussion. PLEASE POST IN ONLY ONE THREAD.

Alright,

I think we are all tired of seeing threads asking about the reefsafeness of angels.

If you own or have owned an angel in a reef in the past, post:

1. What kind of angel
2. Wether it was reef-safe
3. If it was not reef-safe, what did it eat?

I am going to make an excel spreadsheet with a simple yes and no column for reefsafeness of every angel. Then I can easily calculate the percent of a given species that are reefsafe. We can also see if there are any trends in #3 - for example "75% reef safe, except for zoanthids, only %20 safe" or something like that.

Of course this is not foolproof, depends on a lot of things, fish can change, etc, but it's better than nothing.

stunreefer · 06/25/2009, 08:07 AM

Define "reef-safe"... to me it means that the fish will pick here and there, but will not devastate a coral, however some people want "full SPS P.E." all the time and would not consider a fish that picks "reef-safe".

Michael's (michael cb 125) signature says it best, "All fish are semi-reef safe."

JStorey · 06/25/2009, 08:59 AM

blueface in a lps/softy tank for 2 years and no problem at all.

willy21 · 06/25/2009, 09:38 AM

Flame angel in 75 gallon reef for 10 months with no problems at all.

Lowredranger · 06/25/2009, 09:45 AM

Cherub Angel - lps/ Softies - Reef Safe

Coral Beauty - LPS/ Softies - Reef Safe

Flame Angel - Not reef safe - picked at sps, plate coral

STLmatt · 06/25/2009, 10:13 AM

i got a flame angel with a bunch of softies...never bothers them.

falconut · 06/25/2009, 10:30 AM

I've had many different angles over the years in my reef tank, so here we go:

1. Watanbei (M & F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months

1. Watanbei (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months

1. Blackspot (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 1 year

1. Lamarck (F) w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe*; 3. Nothing

1. Flame Angel w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Semi-Reef Safe; 3. Xenia and ocational nip at others, but no visable damage - 2 years

1. Singapore w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; Reef Safe*; 3. Nothing

* Fish died in about a month of being in the tank, so I'm not sure if this fish would have been Reef Safe long term.

LPS = Hammer, Frogspawn, Torch, Bubble & Galaxea
SPS = Misc. Digi's
Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Yellow Polyps, Mushrooms & Ricordea
Zoas = Misc. colors
Clam = Crocea (4")

smoothdog · 06/25/2009, 11:06 AM

I like falconut's format

1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn
SPS = Acropora, millipora, motipora, pocillipora, digitata, turbinaria
Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Mushrooms, zoanthids. gsp
Clam = Crocea (4")

kvn1691 · 06/25/2009, 11:25 AM

1. coral beauty and flame angel w/ sps, lps, softies/zoas 2. Reef safe

reeferoo · 06/25/2009, 11:28 AM

1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn, acans, scoly
SPS = Acropora, digita, pavona, cyphestrea
Softies = Leathers, gsp, zoas, mushrooms, sinularia, palys, xenia, anthelia, cespitularia, clove polyps

note: if something is damaged/dying she nips occasionally at the algae growing on the dead/dying part. She has only ever nipped at unhealthy corals

tony varrell · 06/25/2009, 12:07 PM

1 conspic,2 regals,1 scribbles,1 goldflake, 1 majestic,1 queen all are safe with SPS in my tank but I would not trust any of them with LPS or Zoo's.

inktomi · 06/25/2009, 01:35 PM

1. Coral Beauty w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Acans, Duncan, Blasto
SPS = Monti digitata, Monti encrusting, and Monti cap, Green Slimer
Softies = Mushrooms, various zoas

dflad · 06/25/2009, 03:47 PM

Angels

Regal: SPS safe only, loves LPS, soft corals and zoanthids - 2yrs
Majestic: SPS safe only, see above - 1.5yrs
Golden Pygmy: SPS safe - 1.2yrs
Lemonpeel hybrid: Safe with all corals, SPS, LPS, and soft corals/zoanthids - 8mos
Multicolor angel - SPS safe - 6mos
Coral Beauty - SPS, LPS, soft corals safe - 2 years

roktsintst · 06/25/2009, 07:30 PM

Great Thread and it should be an interesting spread Sheet!

I have a 3" Regal Angel that i've had for about a year, and a 4.5" Beautiful Goldflake Angel that i've had for around 6 months!

I have them both in my SPS Tank becuase i just dont trust the angels with my LPS.

revaltion131 · 06/25/2009, 07:37 PM

I really like the idea of this thread. I can't wait to see some input on trimacs.

1. Cherub Pygmy: safe -- only had three months -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, never with clams

2. Potter's: safe -- going on 9 months, 2-3" -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, clams, won't even touch macro or nori sheets

Bax · 06/26/2009, 06:00 AM

Another Coral Beauty, IME Reef Safe with, lots of SPS, LPS, the few softies I've tried but never kept long term, RBTA, clams, gorgs, zoas, sponges. Just at five years now.

LobsterOfJustice · 06/26/2009, 08:08 AM

All data up to this point entered (i.e. a bookmark for myself).

So far, A LOT more safe than not. Interesting.

FWIW, I will enter my experiences:

Majestic Angel - Safe in a reef for 4 years, but suspected in a clam death (lived with one for months, but seemed opportunistic)

Coral Beauty - was given to me because he was nipping SPS in a mixed reef, he's fine in my softy tank.

rssjsb · 06/26/2009, 08:11 AM

1. Potters - not reef safe - 1 year* - ate lps and gorgonians, left softies and clam alone
2. Flagfin - not reef safe - 9 months - nips sps, eats lps, anthelia, xenia, leaves zoanthids and clam alone
3. Majestic - mixed - 2 months, still very small - nips at zoas, starting to hover near sps
4. Cherub - reef safe - one year* - was in with lps, softies, and a few sps, ate nothing

* I lost the cherub in a return pump malfunction and the potters in a heat wave while on vacation. The others are fish I have now.

Dan · 06/26/2009, 03:24 PM

1.) Emperor (juv.) - safe with gorgonia, sarcophyton, anemones, mushrooms.
2). Majestic - same.
3). Meredith (juv) - same.

Dan

lilalove · 06/26/2009, 03:57 PM

Flame angel - 4 years, LPS and softies...NOT reef safe.

I had this flame with an open brain for years without incident. It recently killed it. My other open brain is fine, as are the rest of my LPS.

steve70 · 06/26/2009, 04:09 PM

I think you are still going to find that angle's are 50/50 either way.
I had a coral beauty once, thaught he was picking on my zoas but but one day I noticed him alittle closer and it was actually nipping at the algea that was trying to grow around the zoas.

dvl445 · 06/27/2009, 08:51 AM

Here is my experience thus far with angels in reefs:

Centropyge bispinosa, Coral Beauty, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe
Centropyge woodheadi, Black tip heralds, 4 years, Softies, reef safe
Paracentropyge multifasciata, Multi-barred angel, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe

lzqkeith · 06/27/2009, 11:26 AM

I have PotterÂ¡Â¯s Angel , Flame Angel and Coral Beauty in my 65G mix reef with no problem

amore169 · 06/27/2009, 04:40 PM

Flame Angel= 3 years Reef Safe

I have Zoos, Lps= chalices, scolys, duncans, open brains, red gionoporas, coco worms, etc.

Sheol · 06/27/2009, 06:19 PM

Cherub Angel C. argi. 3 years. So far reef safe ( as far as I trust the term which is not much.)
False Perc A. ocellaris = My clown IS NOT Reef safe. Will kill any hard coral she can to protect her "anemones" .

Matthew
I threw that clown in there to illustrate a point, no fish is actually REEF SAFE in the sense of being harmless.

06/25/2009, 07:54 AM	#1
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	The angel thread to end all angel threads: all owners of angelfish in reefs respond!! The same thread is going in General Reef Discussion. PLEASE POST IN ONLY ONE THREAD. Alright, I think we are all tired of seeing threads asking about the reefsafeness of angels. If you own or have owned an angel in a reef in the past, post: 1. What kind of angel 2. Wether it was reef-safe 3. If it was not reef-safe, what did it eat? I am going to make an excel spreadsheet with a simple yes and no column for reefsafeness of every angel. Then I can easily calculate the percent of a given species that are reefsafe. We can also see if there are any trends in #3 - for example "75% reef safe, except for zoanthids, only %20 safe" or something like that. Of course this is not foolproof, depends on a lot of things, fish can change, etc, but it's better than nothing. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

06/25/2009, 08:07 AM	#2
stunreefer Reef Hugger Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Submerged Posts: 3,253	Define "reef-safe"... to me it means that the fish will pick here and there, but will not devastate a coral, however some people want "full SPS P.E." all the time and would not consider a fish that picks "reef-safe". Michael's (michael cb 125) signature says it best, "All fish are semi-reef safe." __________________ -Austin Make your animals Thrive, not just Survive.

06/25/2009, 09:45 AM	#5
Lowredranger Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 1,300	Cherub Angel - lps/ Softies - Reef Safe Coral Beauty - LPS/ Softies - Reef Safe Flame Angel - Not reef safe - picked at sps, plate coral __________________ Jason Current Tank Info: 280g peninsular bar, 4 vortechs, 10x80w ATI Powermodule, Orca 250 Pro, Dart Return, geo 618 calcium reactor, Apex controller

06/25/2009, 11:06 AM	#8
smoothdog Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: St. Charles, MO Posts: 4,916	I like falconut's format 1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn SPS = Acropora, millipora, motipora, pocillipora, digitata, turbinaria Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Mushrooms, zoanthids. gsp Clam = Crocea (4") __________________ Everything's better with Bacon! Current Tank Info: 150DD SPS dominant mixed reef. 100g sump/fuge, 6'x28"x12" frag tank, Diablo xs200 skimmer, Apex controller, Custom GEO 824 calcium reactor, panworld 200PS return pump. Lumenmax Elite reflector with Radium 250HQI bulb and 3 AI 32 HDs.

06/25/2009, 11:28 AM	#10
reeferoo Lady Tank Tinkerer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Upland, CA Posts: 635	1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn, acans, scoly SPS = Acropora, digita, pavona, cyphestrea Softies = Leathers, gsp, zoas, mushrooms, sinularia, palys, xenia, anthelia, cespitularia, clove polyps note: if something is damaged/dying she nips occasionally at the algae growing on the dead/dying part. She has only ever nipped at unhealthy corals __________________ 120 gallon mixed reef (upgraded from 60gal in 2015) Orphek Bar 90 (daylight and blue) 29gal sump, Vortech MP40 and Koralia 4, Reef Octopus Classic 150 INT skimmer (reefkeeping since 8/07) Current Tank Info: 120 Softy/LPS reef

06/25/2009, 08:59 AM	#3
JStorey Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 457	blueface in a lps/softy tank for 2 years and no problem at all.

06/25/2009, 09:38 AM	#4
willy21 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 142	Flame angel in 75 gallon reef for 10 months with no problems at all.

06/25/2009, 10:13 AM	#6
STLmatt Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Elizabeth, CO Posts: 67	i got a flame angel with a bunch of softies...never bothers them.

06/25/2009, 10:30 AM	#7
falconut Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blackwood, NJ Posts: 3,813	I've had many different angles over the years in my reef tank, so here we go: 1. Watanbei (M & F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months 1. Watanbei (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months 1. Blackspot (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 1 year 1. Lamarck (F) w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing 1. Flame Angel w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Semi-Reef Safe; 3. Xenia and ocational nip at others, but no visable damage - 2 years 1. Singapore w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; Reef Safe; 3. Nothing * Fish died in about a month of being in the tank, so I'm not sure if this fish would have been Reef Safe long term. LPS = Hammer, Frogspawn, Torch, Bubble & Galaxea SPS = Misc. Digi's Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Yellow Polyps, Mushrooms & Ricordea Zoas = Misc. colors Clam = Crocea (4")

06/25/2009, 11:25 AM	#9
kvn1691 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 183	1. coral beauty and flame angel w/ sps, lps, softies/zoas 2. Reef safe

06/25/2009, 12:07 PM	#11
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	1 conspic,2 regals,1 scribbles,1 goldflake, 1 majestic,1 queen all are safe with SPS in my tank but I would not trust any of them with LPS or Zoo's.

06/25/2009, 01:35 PM	#12
inktomi Aviator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 960	1. Coral Beauty w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 2 years LPS = Acans, Duncan, Blasto SPS = Monti digitata, Monti encrusting, and Monti cap, Green Slimer Softies = Mushrooms, various zoas __________________ ----------- Check out my YouTube channel as well. Search "ReefMan". Current Tank Info: 275g AGE, 5 Radion Pro, 4 MP40

06/25/2009, 03:47 PM	#13
dflad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Moss Beach, Ca 94038 Posts: 794	Angels Regal: SPS safe only, loves LPS, soft corals and zoanthids - 2yrs Majestic: SPS safe only, see above - 1.5yrs Golden Pygmy: SPS safe - 1.2yrs Lemonpeel hybrid: Safe with all corals, SPS, LPS, and soft corals/zoanthids - 8mos Multicolor angel - SPS safe - 6mos Coral Beauty - SPS, LPS, soft corals safe - 2 years

06/25/2009, 07:30 PM	#14
roktsintst Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cental Cali Posts: 2,384	Great Thread and it should be an interesting spread Sheet! I have a 3" Regal Angel that i've had for about a year, and a 4.5" Beautiful Goldflake Angel that i've had for around 6 months! I have them both in my SPS Tank becuase i just dont trust the angels with my LPS. __________________ --- Ryan --- Current Tank Info: 300 AGE Starfire SPS Reef75g frag tank lit w/ T5's Deltec 902ACIII4 400 Radium's4-160 vho'sGEO 818 CA RXReefTek Kalk RXDart Return on manifold to a wavy sea57 watt uvHammerHead w/ OceansMotion

06/25/2009, 07:37 PM	#15
revaltion131 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sparty Land Posts: 621	I really like the idea of this thread. I can't wait to see some input on trimacs. 1. Cherub Pygmy: safe -- only had three months -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, never with clams 2. Potter's: safe -- going on 9 months, 2-3" -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, clams, won't even touch macro or nori sheets

06/26/2009, 06:00 AM	#16
Bax Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,619	Another Coral Beauty, IME Reef Safe with, lots of SPS, LPS, the few softies I've tried but never kept long term, RBTA, clams, gorgs, zoas, sponges. Just at five years now. __________________ 150 gallon Perfecto with 1500 gph GH overflow / DIY stand-wine bar / Dart Return / SRO XP3000 Ext skimmer / 75 g frag / 40 g fuge / 40 g DIY sump / Orphek P156 & Kessil 150A Current Tank Info: 150 DT/ 40B fuge/ 75g frag/ 40 g sump/ SRO XP 3000 Ext/ TUNZEs & VorTechs circulation/Dart return/ MTC Pro Cal/ UV & Oz

06/26/2009, 08:08 AM	#17
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	All data up to this point entered (i.e. a bookmark for myself). So far, A LOT more safe than not. Interesting. FWIW, I will enter my experiences: Majestic Angel - Safe in a reef for 4 years, but suspected in a clam death (lived with one for months, but seemed opportunistic) Coral Beauty - was given to me because he was nipping SPS in a mixed reef, he's fine in my softy tank. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

06/26/2009, 08:11 AM	#18
rssjsb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,243	1. Potters - not reef safe - 1 year* - ate lps and gorgonians, left softies and clam alone 2. Flagfin - not reef safe - 9 months - nips sps, eats lps, anthelia, xenia, leaves zoanthids and clam alone 3. Majestic - mixed - 2 months, still very small - nips at zoas, starting to hover near sps 4. Cherub - reef safe - one year* - was in with lps, softies, and a few sps, ate nothing * I lost the cherub in a return pump malfunction and the potters in a heat wave while on vacation. The others are fish I have now. __________________ Robin

06/26/2009, 03:24 PM	#19
Dan Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 558	1.) Emperor (juv.) - safe with gorgonia, sarcophyton, anemones, mushrooms. 2). Majestic - same. 3). Meredith (juv) - same. Dan __________________ "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra Current Tank Info: 90 and 45 gallons

06/26/2009, 03:57 PM	#20
lilalove Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 462	Flame angel - 4 years, LPS and softies...NOT reef safe. I had this flame with an open brain for years without incident. It recently killed it. My other open brain is fine, as are the rest of my LPS. __________________ Karina For mad scientists who keep brains in jars, here's a tip: why not add a slice of lemon to each jar, for freshness? - Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon sump and refugium

06/26/2009, 04:09 PM	#21
steve70 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Williamsburg, VA. USA Posts: 165	I think you are still going to find that angle's are 50/50 either way. I had a coral beauty once, thaught he was picking on my zoas but but one day I noticed him alittle closer and it was actually nipping at the algea that was trying to grow around the zoas. __________________ I have a vision, and now I am broke! You are water keeping not occupant keeping! _____________________ Steve Current Tank Info: 55 gallon w/216w t5 Nova extreme lights 10gal sump/refugium. 2 Koralia #2's & 1 #1

06/27/2009, 08:51 AM	#22
dvl445 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24	Here is my experience thus far with angels in reefs: Centropyge bispinosa, Coral Beauty, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe Centropyge woodheadi, Black tip heralds, 4 years, Softies, reef safe Paracentropyge multifasciata, Multi-barred angel, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe

06/27/2009, 11:26 AM	#23
lzqkeith Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Queens,NY Posts: 56	I have PotterÂ¡Â¯s Angel , Flame Angel and Coral Beauty in my 65G mix reef with no problem

06/27/2009, 04:40 PM	#24
amore169 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,250	Flame Angel= 3 years Reef Safe I have Zoos, Lps= chalices, scolys, duncans, open brains, red gionoporas, coco worms, etc. __________________ Arnie. Current Tank Info: 400 Gallon Starphire Rimless. 8 A360WE Kessils with controller. Sfiligoi Infinity DDE 6X250 light fixture. Bubble King Internal 300 Deluxe. 215 Gallon Oceanic Starphire Ultimate FOWRL. 34 Gallon Solana.

06/27/2009, 06:19 PM	#25
Sheol Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Waxahachie, Tx. Posts: 3,610	Cherub Angel C. argi. 3 years. So far reef safe ( as far as I trust the term which is not much.) False Perc A. ocellaris = My clown IS NOT Reef safe. Will kill any hard coral she can to protect her "anemones" . Matthew I threw that clown in there to illustrate a point, no fish is actually REEF SAFE in the sense of being harmless.