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Unread 01/26/2017, 12:22 PM   #1
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Possibly found the root cause of all my sps stn

I just recieved my triton test and it came back with some high level Tin, some say pvc but I doubt this is the cause.


Over the past months I would see all my sps perish, first no p.e then rtn from the tips then a white sps.


So I tested my water at triton, and the results came back with


Sn 14 ug/l
Ba 124 ug/l


All other elements seem fine, looks like I'll have to find the root of it.. any input ?


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Unread 01/26/2017, 12:48 PM   #2
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Any clamps in your tank or sump?


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Unread 01/26/2017, 02:53 PM   #3
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Are you using iron based phosphate remover? some of these can lead to high barium levels


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Unread 01/26/2017, 07:48 PM   #4
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what kind of sealants are you using on fittings plumbing. Some silicones and urethanes use tin catalyst to cure them. Barium could come from fillers in PVC Barium sulfate is white and a lot cheaper than titanium dioxide which is primary white pigment used today. Barium is used to lower cost as a partial substitute


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Unread 01/26/2017, 09:30 PM   #5
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What salt are you using?


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Unread 02/01/2017, 10:43 PM   #6
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Hello everyone, Sorry for the late response. I found the culprit of high tin.

Im using aquaforest probiotic salt,

the pvc sealant is unknown, I used the piping that came with the tank its the purple and clear stuff, (regular i guess )

But I would have never guess my new QD wet sides were the culprit, There only a few months old! (4-5) I hope i still have warranty for them.



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Unread 02/01/2017, 11:22 PM   #7
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Interesting, a fellow reefer in my area had found his Ecotech powerheads to be the culprit to his tank crashing except his powerheads were much older with the unsealed magnets. He only checked them because Battlecorals advised him to look.

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Unread 02/01/2017, 11:49 PM   #8
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Wow that's lame. MP10's or 40's?


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Unread 02/01/2017, 11:52 PM   #9
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I had the same thing happen when 2 MP10's in my tank had corroded impellers. They'll replace them for you if it's still under warranty... I figured they would've fixed this well-known problem in the new QD wetsides, not cool.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 01:06 AM   #10
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I had the same thing happen when 2 MP10's in my tank had corroded impellers. They'll replace them for you if it's still under warranty... I figured they would've fixed this well-known problem in the new QD wetsides, not cool.
There's no money making something last forever!


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Unread 02/02/2017, 01:08 AM   #11
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There's no money making something last forever!
Tell that to Eheim.

I hate to admit that there is not much stuff I have faith in anymore. You can spend more money on what should be better products and you still have issues a lot of the time... It's really lame and frustrating.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 07:44 AM   #12
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Wow, that is disappointing. You would think for that price they would not continue to put out a product with a known problem. Especially when it could crash your tank. I have 2 older MP40's, guess I'll have to keep a close eye on them.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 09:55 AM   #13
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Ya I've had several in the last year with issues. Just like some of the original ones did.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 10:06 AM   #14
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Guess I'm not seeing the impeller corrosion in the pic...? How did you open that part of the wetside? Is there some type of grease in there? Is it food grade silicone?


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Unread 02/02/2017, 10:39 AM   #15
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Guess I'm not seeing the impeller corrosion in the pic...? How did you open that part of the wetside? Is there some type of grease in there? Is it food grade silicone?


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There tabs on the side of the covers after you remove the snail guards, just pop them out and you should be able to slide out the impeller

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Wow that's lame. MP10's or 40's?
Their mp40..


So I contacted them and they're sending me 2 replacements, free of charge. Glad there still good costumer service!


Anyone know if the rock absorbed any of the heavy metals?


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Unread 02/02/2017, 11:14 AM   #16
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How bad is the corrosion?? and you said you've only run these pumps for a few months?

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There tabs on the side of the covers after you remove the snail guards, just pop them out and you should be able to slide out the impeller



Their mp40..


So I contacted them and they're sending me 2 replacements, free of charge. Glad there still good costumer service!


Anyone know if the rock absorbed any of the heavy metals?



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Unread 02/02/2017, 11:31 AM   #17
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Wet side split and rust

Same exact thing happened to me last month, i removed them and sent pictures to Ecotech and their amazing tech support replaced both of my wet sides for free. After replacing the wet sides with new ones and a 50% water change, my corals started to look a lot better after a week.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 09:38 PM   #18
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There's no money making something last forever!
At the same time it's hard to have faith in a product when it messes up people's tanks...

I could understand a company wanting people to replace stuff, but knowing a product can corrode and not doing anything about it on future upgrades is not cool. Rusting impellers isn't news to Ecotech, so my guess is their cost/benefit ratio on fixing it didn't go in our favor if it's cheaper for them to replace the wetsides that corrode in our tanks than give us a redesigned dependable product. They only have to cover it for a year and after that you pay them to replace it. Pretty easy decision if you like money more than happy customers and ethics.

Here's how both of mine looked and what some of you with MP's get to look forward to one day. If you're past warranty like I was then you get to give them even more money for the privilege of having their pump rust in your tank.






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Unread 02/02/2017, 09:53 PM   #19
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Wow that is Bogus. Shame on ecotech if this is to be expected it is unacceptable. Have you guys posted this on their sponsor page? I'd like to see their response to your inquiry to inform consumers of their service handling practices. Even if customer service is stellar, an inferior product at that price point is like I said, Bogus. Please share your interactions and correspondence for the benefit of others.


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Unread 02/02/2017, 10:28 PM   #20
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I like to point fingers at manufacturers, but I'm not sure how much better they could handle this.
From what I've read elsewhere on this page they will replace the magnets for free, even if they are out of warranty by several years.
I do wish they'd use something better for that rod in the center, but other than plastic coating the magnets (which they already do) I'm not really sure what you can do there. I don't know of any salt water resistant materials that are nearly magnetic enough.


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Unread 02/03/2017, 02:57 AM   #21
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That sucks big time Bob and pretty disappointing when you support a good but expensive brand name. It's all well and good to have free replacements of gear but what makes up for the misery and coral losses many suffer over an extended period prior to checking equipment that should not require checking for design fault failures.

My maxspect gyre better not do that............


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Unread 02/03/2017, 01:39 PM   #22
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That sucks big time Bob and pretty disappointing when you support a good but expensive brand name. It's all well and good to have free replacements of gear but what makes up for the misery and coral losses many suffer over an extended period prior to checking equipment that should not require checking for design fault failures.

My maxspect gyre better not do that............
was just thinking the same thing about my gyre's....


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Unread 02/04/2017, 12:55 PM   #23
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Just an FYI for the Barium. My tank, run using AF Probiotic Reef Salt has super high Barium, 264 mg/L IIRC. So I did a bunch of research. It turns out that Barium isn't soluble in saltwater past 60 mg/L. What's happening is that Barium is binding with other elements and precipitating in the tank. Though these compounds won't unbind in typical reef aquarium conditions, the ICP-OES testing breaks the compounds into ions, and then counts all the ions.

Think of it like this...you take vial of saltwater and add some super fine aragonite sand to the bottom of the vial. You test the vial for calcium with your hobbyist test kits, and it reads let's say 400 ppm (the sand doesn't add calcium to the water column). You send this same vial for ICP-OES testing and calcium is going to be off the charts because it's breaking the sand up into its ions.


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Unread 02/04/2017, 03:41 PM   #24
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No!!!! I have ecotech!


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Unread 02/04/2017, 05:21 PM   #25
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Have the wet sides been cleaned in say vinegar or acid before?


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