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Old 10/17/2019, 10:35 AM   #1
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Lyretail Anthias infection?

Any idea what this red spot is?

This is currently in QT w/ a basslett Anthias, Hippo Blue Tang, and Yellow Tang. No aggression that I can see in the tank. the lyretail seems to be eating just a small amount compared to the other 3.

QT is current in the middle of a General Cure & Metroplex medication cycle. I believe i'm on around day 10.


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Old 10/17/2019, 10:41 AM   #2
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Can't see the picture on my phone, but a red spot/sore on an Anthias is usually Uronema.

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Old 10/17/2019, 01:16 PM   #3
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just went through this 2 times with 2 sets of anthias. each ones spot grew each day until they died. nothing I did helped. Couple of them the spot turned into a giant hole. I was also told possible Uronema. Maybe a bunch are coming in with it right now?


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Old 10/17/2019, 03:19 PM   #4
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Now that I can see the picture I'm pretty sure it's Uronema.
Many Anthias and Chromis are prone to come down with Uronema infections.
Chloroquine Phosphate may cure it. You can also try formalin baths followed by a transfer to a new, uninfected tank.


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Old 10/17/2019, 03:26 PM   #5
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Probably Uronema, Green Chromis and Lyretail anthias have been coming in this way allot lately.


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Old 10/17/2019, 03:56 PM   #6
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do i need to treat all the fish in the QT w/ formalin before transfer to a new tank?


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Old 10/17/2019, 06:07 PM   #7
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do i need to treat all the fish in the QT w/ formalin before transfer to a new tank?

I would. Once in a clean QT, I would dose Metroplex + Kanaplex for 10 days for good measure. The Seachem meds are only 70% active so it can take awhile to completely knock this out.


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Old 10/17/2019, 06:28 PM   #8
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can't believe i got this again. my first chromis that made it past QT showed uronema 15 days after i put him into the DT


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Old 10/17/2019, 06:28 PM   #9
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do i need to seperate the lyretail from the rest of the fish in the QT? Prob just QT that lyretail in a 5 gallon bucket.


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Old 10/17/2019, 06:30 PM   #10
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also where do i pickup formalin? I see formaldehyde on amazon.


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Old 10/17/2019, 08:36 PM   #11
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This is what I use: https://www.amazon.com/Formaldehyde-...dp/B00CY56QBQ/
There are smaller bottles and and other manufacturers, but it has to be 37% in Methanol.

The dip dosage is 20 drops (~0.5 ml) per gallon for a period of 30 to 45 minutes. You can go as high as 50 minutes but then you need to watch the fish closely. Make sure there is enough flow or aeration in the tank.


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Old 10/17/2019, 09:18 PM   #12
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i've been looking at that lyretail closely and now it looks like its shedding. is that a symptom of uronema? I actually thought it looked a little like velvet, its got that white coating all over the fish.


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Old 10/17/2019, 09:18 PM   #13
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the fish doesn't seem to want to eat, but its not scratching


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Old 10/17/2019, 09:36 PM   #14
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Fits all Uronema

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Old 10/17/2019, 11:07 PM   #15
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man, just 2 months ago you were helping me w/ a diagnosis on a chromis and uronema. unbelievable.


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Old 10/18/2019, 10:24 AM   #16
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what's the purpose of the formalin if metro is what eliminates the uronema? I still can't figure out how I'm getting Uronema, these fish are literally in day 10 of the metro/gc treatment.


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Old 10/18/2019, 11:56 AM   #17
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Uronema can come from lots of sources. The issue is that Uronema isn't an obligate parasite (one that needs a host to survive and reproduce) but rather an opportunistic one that can live just fine without a host indefinitely. Its primary food are actually bacteria. So once it has made it into a system it's usually there to stay. Many exporter, wholesaler and LFS systems might have it and that's usually how it spreads around. Some fish seem to be particularly vulnerable. Anthias and Chromis are known to be the most affected.
As for the formalin, you should give every new fish a formalin (or H2O2) bath as a preventative measure before you put them into the QT. The bath should kill many of parasites that sit on the fish like for example Brooklynella, Uronema, Amyloodinium (to some degree), many "flukes", and a number of other. It does however nothing against parasites that dig themselves into the fish's skin like Cryptocaryon or black ick.

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Old 10/18/2019, 12:03 PM   #18
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what i'm trying to figure out is, if Meto will treat Uronema and all sorts of other parasites externally, why the need for a Formalin dip?


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Old 10/18/2019, 12:47 PM   #19
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I don't know if Metro is an effective treatment against Uronema. Aside from formalin (and H2O2) baths, I only know of Chloroquine Phosphate having been shown to be effective in a controlled study (one where the pathogen was clearly identified and it being killed by the medication confirmed.)

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will i need to be redipping in formalin or is 1 dip usually enough? I'm going to just write off the Lyretail, by the time I get the formalin it'll be nearly a week from today. I'm really just concerned about saving the other 3 fish in that tank. I've already got copper in the tank, so when I prepare the formalin dip, do i pull that water from the current qt system or does it need to be fresh saltwater that's copper free?


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Old 10/18/2019, 04:24 PM   #21
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I do it once with every new fish. You can repeat it if you see a need for it, but it has to be followed by a tank transfer to make any sense.

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does it matter if i use current qt water to prepare the dip or should it be clean saltwater?


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Old 10/18/2019, 11:02 PM   #23
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got home from work and the lyretail was dead. looks like uronema to me.


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Old 10/19/2019, 12:20 AM   #24
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does it matter if i use current qt water to prepare the dip or should it be clean saltwater?
Current QT water is fine as long as it isn't medicated.

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will i need to be redipping in formalin or is 1 dip usually enough? I'm going to just write off the Lyretail, by the time I get the formalin it'll be nearly a week from today. I'm really just concerned about saving the other 3 fish in that tank. I've already got copper in the tank, so when I prepare the formalin dip, do i pull that water from the current qt system or does it need to be fresh saltwater that's copper free?


Once uronema lessons are visible 9 out of 10 times the fish is toast. But not his tank mates. Chromis and antias, I always put them on CP treatment.

The problem witch CP is that some fish go into hunger strike. One thing I have tried is if they are eating at the time I get them. Feed them like pigs for a few days (no meds at all), then add CP; that way they are more likely to continue eating.


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