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Once established the bangai is anything but docile ime.
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Can you dip the corals to get the little guys out? You might get lucky and dip while they are on there.
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07/18/2010, 05:53 PM | #53 |
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I agree. They're ferocious crepuscular hunters.
Personally, I wouldn't nuke the whole aquarium with interceptor unless all other options were exhausted and the problem persists. Tom- have you ever had to nuke a system to kill pests?
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07/19/2010, 12:47 AM | #54 |
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Gary, I went through some acanastrea lordhowensis losses a few years ago. Randy O and Brent T were having some luck with interceptor( heartworm med for dogs) which was originally touted for red bugs on sps as a full tank treatment. Others noted success with red bugs on the sps forum and some spoke of success with acans. So a theory about micro crustaceans effecting acanastrea, and various chalice species from Australia in particular was born. As far as I know both Brent and Randy and others had success with repetitive whole tank interceptor treatments.
I got the interceptor but had some shrimp I didn't want to kill nor did I want to kill all the critters with extoskeletons in my whole system so no I did not do a whole tank treatment. I took out affected corals : set up a separate heated bin and treated them for 12 hours. Seemed the deterioration slowed down but it didn't solve the problem. Probably since the eggs or bugs themselves were still in the tank. If I have that problem again I'll probably set up a separate tank for all affected species and treat that tank with Interceptor . I'd give the corals a Revive dip before placing them in the interceptor tank.I wouldn't return corals to the main system for a few months in the hope that the bugs if any in the system would starve. The whole issue makes a good case for quarantining at least certain if not all corals and I may do that at some point particularly if my appetite for Aussie acanastrea lordhowensis returns.
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Just for clarification. I'm not sure it's crustaceans at all . Could be bacteria, a dinoflagellate or ... I do know that Aussie lordhowensis will be attacked by peppermint shrimp(lystmata wundermani) and then there seems to be no return once they start to deteriorate. I'd love to hear if anyone did a microscopic examination. Nonetheless, the anecdotal successes with interceptor treatments seem very credible.
BTW .The bangai I have in my 120 hunts most of the night under some intermittent mild lunar lighting. I have some boisterous fish in there and the bangai doesn't shy away from them at all.
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thanks for that info, Tom. I had a feeling that you never nuked a whole reef display
The nightlight suggestion is worth repeating for others: a very small amount of light somewhere near an aquarium during the night will allow fishes to see nocturnal bugs.
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07/19/2010, 01:58 PM | #57 |
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i may have to try a bangaii but i feel my tank is topped out in amount of fish.
i will have to try the lighting at night, maybe with a small flashlight over top or maybe i'll pick up a single moonlight since my system has no moonlights. thanks all for the info. i dont know much about the interceptor but id have to take the coral out and dose seperately seeing how i have shrimp and wouldnt want my copepods all gone. |
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the light need not be fancy
I use a regular old nightlight plugged into an electrical outlet in the kitchen (about 20' away from the aquarium).
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I wanted to revive this thread because I'm pretty sure I have some monster amphipods munching on a healthy acan. I've seen them at night at the edges of the acans. I think that when amphipods get large enough they get powerful enough to get at healthy flesh. Anybody else ever deal with this or am I crazy? I've read about interceptor having a positive effect and I'd be willing to bet it's because it kills pods.
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So, I'm convinced that amphipods will eat coral when they get hungry enough. I have my suspicions that they do this in newly established tanks that are very clean like mine was.
I'm 100% sure of this because I did a test. I noticed my newly aquired acan being munched on at night by fairly large amphipods. As others have mentioned, it could have been that they were just eating dead flesh, but I doubted it. So I took the acan and put it up on top of an upside-down glass bell jar figuring the amphipods couldn't climb it. That night I didn't see any amphipods on it. The NEXT day the coral looked better - more inflated. This was months ago. I left the coral on the bell jar for a long time until it healed and was growing well again. I put it back on the sand bed and it hasn't been bothered since. My guess is that there is enough other food sources and the amphipod population s balanced out so they aren't starving. I'm no expert, but this is my experience. Good luck! |
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i had to fast forward in this tread and take this for what its worth i had $10,000 to $12,000 worth of acan colonies and frags killed by this same type of infestation . it the time it has taken everyone to discuss what might be i know they are just melting every day just like that little aussie bug did to mine . i was told by a doctor in rochester that took a few of my survivors and treated them that it was a little white bug from australia and he nuked them with interceptor . six months late he gave me back 25 healthy acans that were in mint comdition and i had two five gallon buckets FULL of dead skelitons . now fast forward six months as i didnt completly learn my lesson the first time as i bought some more infestes acans and didnt dip them thus another outbreak ! two interceptor treatments later it stopped dead in its tracks and my corals were saved . i dont know everythin about these critters but the will march across your tank like an army and kill your lps with no remorse but yes interceptor kills it or at least killed what i had . there are to many unidentified things out in that vast ocean and sometimes you have to shoot from the hip . dose it now and you may end up with a few left alive or debate it and lose em all .if you treat outside of the tank you will not get them out of your tank and you will pay dearly for that crucial mistake . your pods will come back and i never lost a crab,snail or and livestock that the naked eye could see when i used it and i double dosed my tank just to be sure . my tanks are full of lps and delicate wrasses and they all made it through the nuke bomb .
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i now have crushed interceptor powder that i use for a couple hour dip for ne corals that i purchase . just sprinkle on a bit and mix water then dip . actually its done in a bag in my sump to keep temp correct throughout the dip.
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No i have had the same problem to they are indeed amphipods some 1/2 inch. They love my smaller pylop LPS corals like my trumpet, small orange plate. Anything that is on sand i now keep everything on my LR seems to be a bit better so far. How do i rid them from my tank.
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Hopefully the leopard wrasse and mandarin in my tank won't allow anything like this to happen. It sounds like you really need to have interceptor on hand in case something like this happens.
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personaly i am a firm believer on the use of interceptor, when and if it is needed it can work miracles imo .i have used it on my own tanks and others at least ten times as there are many retailers that don't even dip their corals as a precaution .
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Chalice parasite
I realize this is an old thread, but I was hoping someone might be able to confirm the damage to my chalice is from the parasite being discussed. Since the thread did not have photos of the damage, I wasn't sure. I have included 2 photos of the type of damage that is becoming more and more wide spread on my chalices. Thanks for the help.
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I had this same problem too with an acan a few years back in another tank I had.
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May I ask how you solved the problem?
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I didn't, started a bigger tank and started with all new rock. They only went after that acan nothing else. I have a video of them feeding on it at night.
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interceptor in my eyes is a miracle for such an instance . i have a few pills left but they were taken off the market a few years ago from some sort of lawsuit i heard . i have tried to get some since just to build up my medicine cabinet but its not available from the manufacturer from what i can find out . i have tried three different vets and one is a customer so it's gone I'm pretty sure
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