can zoas only tank had no skimmer ?? thanks for suggestion ...

sputer · 08/03/2013, 09:17 AM

zoas tank had many rocks and regular exchange natural sea water
can zoas keep long time..... ?? thanks for advice

A. Grandis · 08/03/2013, 08:32 PM

There is so much to it that one could write a book just for the subject.

Generally speaking, assuming that the advice is a for a beginner, I would suggest to get the best skimmer you can afford.
All my systems aways have skimmers.

Grandis.

Reefing21715 · 08/03/2013, 08:59 PM

if you do lots of water changes you will spend more money and time on the long run body. and you will not have the results that skimmer do

A. Grandis · 08/03/2013, 11:16 PM

He'll use natural seawater, probably free.
But it doesn't matter. Skimmer shouldn't be replaced by water changes in closed systems anyway.

Grandis.

Bkoper · 08/03/2013, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. Grandis

He'll use natural seawater, probably free.
But it doesn't matter. Skimmer shouldn't be replaced by water changes in closed systems anyway.

Grandis.

yep

kylathwe · 08/04/2013, 08:20 PM

I have a biocube with Lps softies and zoas doing great without a skimmer. I do a 20% water change every 2 weeks.

reefwars · 08/06/2013, 08:36 AM

All my zoanthid coral beds are skimmerless, i also only have a few fish and rarely feed the tank.

Husbandry!!!

Lsufiregal · 08/06/2013, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylathwe

I have a biocube with Lps softies and zoas doing great without a skimmer. I do a 20% water change every 2 weeks.

Me too.

A. Grandis · 08/06/2013, 03:09 PM

Allright, alright.
More specifically...

To answer your question:
We could maintain zoanthids in tanks without skimmer for a long time, yes.
And you shouldn't need water changes every single day either.

We could keep fishes, corals, jellyfishes, whales without skimmers...
The system wouldn't be as good as if it had a good skimmer running 24/7.
Again, water changes will never substitute skimmers.
To tell the truth I personally believe there is nothing you can do that would substitute a good skimmer.
For closed and open systems.

What type of system is better for the zoas and what would you recommend?
Please take advantage and post your thoughts about skimmerless zoa systems.

Grandis.

terrypercula · 08/08/2013, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. Grandis

Allright, alright.
More specifically...

To answer your question:
We could maintain zoanthids in tanks without skimmer for a long time, yes.
And you shouldn't need water changes every single day either.

We could keep fishes, corals, jellyfishes, whales without skimmers...
The system wouldn't be as good as if it had a good skimmer running 24/7.
Again, water changes will never substitute skimmers.
To tell the truth I personally believe there is nothing you can do that would substitute a good skimmer.
For closed and open systems.

What type of system is better for the zoas and what would you recommend?
Please take advantage and post your thoughts about skimmerless zoa systems.

Grandis.

This is what I always tell people who ask me about skimmers. Yes you can run without a skimmer. But you are better off doing one and over doing it if you can afford to. Yes you corals can do "just fine" with just weekly or bi weekly water changes, personally that's what I do on my tank. It does work but things will be thriving with a good skimmer.

jdraider75 · 08/08/2013, 12:33 PM

Definitely get a skimmer just my $.02

dinwiddie90 · 08/10/2013, 07:43 PM

Skimmer is defiantly the way to go

IGROZOAS · 08/12/2013, 08:48 PM

I would get a skimmer just my opinion.

lostintheocean · 08/13/2013, 12:09 PM

no fish, no fish poop, no skimmer will be fine...as long as the rest of the set up is well balanced

A. Grandis · 08/13/2013, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostintheocean

no fish, no fish poop, no skimmer will be fine...as long as the rest of the set up is well balanced

I'm not trying to proof anything here.
Nor even trying to begin a crazy discussion on the subject, but...

There is a lot to what you've said. Many variables will apply and skimmer is not only related to fish poop.
You can have a full system running with no fishes and with invertebrates, and still have a great skimmer removing tons of junk.
Sorry, that's not simply what happens (fish <=> skimmer).
Depending on the water he uses, that itself will make the skimmer to go crazy!!!
And once more, the skimmer's job isn't at all related to water changes, in order to "clean" the system somehow.
To tell the truth, there is no other instrument that will substitute your skimmer besides a better designed skimmer.

I'm just putting here the BEST advice for any marine setup.
It's not a rule, but the best for you and the organisms you keep in the tank.

Grandis.

sputer · 08/19/2013, 02:35 AM

thanks for many advice ..............recently i'd chated with some zoas
fans .they suggest except sea water change , they will regular
change living rocks ??

i'd seen some long life zoas tank by this operation ....

Pallobi · 08/19/2013, 10:13 AM

I would never go without a good skimmer...

A. Grandis · 08/19/2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sputer

thanks for many advice ..............recently i'd chated with some zoas
fans .they suggest except sea water change , they will regular
change living rocks ??

i'd seen some long life zoas tank by this operation ....

Skimmer is welcome in any type of saltwater system.
Do a search to see which skimmer would be the best for your particular system and just get the best you can afford.

Grandis.

Reefa25 · 08/19/2013, 09:10 PM

skimmers are always worth the money!!

painkiller · 08/25/2013, 07:58 PM

Got a quick question. Just got some zoas for my 29g biocube for the first time. Do you dose w iodine? Thanks! Just hope they will grow.

Oops! Sorry, didn't mean to post this here....

Oh well, if anyone has an answer, thanx!

A. Grandis · 08/25/2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painkiller

Got a quick question. Just got some zoas for my 29g biocube for the first time. Do you dose w iodine? Thanks! Just hope they will grow.

Oops! Sorry, didn't mean to post this here....

Oh well, if anyone has an answer, thanx!

Quick answer:
Yes I do.

Grandis.

Tenor · 08/25/2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painkiller

Got a quick question. Just got some zoas for my 29g biocube for the first time. Do you dose w iodine? Thanks! Just hope they will grow.

Oops! Sorry, didn't mean to post this here....

Oh well, if anyone has an answer, thanx!

No need to dose Iodine. They will do fine without it. Amino acid is good for them.

To the OP. Skimmer is a must have piece of equipment for any reef keeper.

A. Grandis · 08/25/2013, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenor

No need to dose Iodine. They will do fine without it. Amino acid is good for them.

To the OP. Skimmer is a must have piece of equipment for any reef keeper.

They'll do fine without iodine and without aminos too.

Both (iodine and aminos) will make the zoas healthier though.
I dose both and recommend.

Grandis.

chiblackhawks4 · 08/26/2013, 09:25 AM

Your skimmer is one of the most important pieces of equipment youll buy IMO. A MUST HAVE. I went without one for a while when I started in the hobby and looking back I cant believe anything survived.

JasonMHorn · 08/27/2013, 10:28 PM

I currently don't running a skimmer and my Zoas are doing very well. But I'm in the process of designing a new sump and I plan on adding a skimmer because I'll have more then enough room. Plus I figure that it can't hurt.

08/03/2013, 09:17 AM	#1
sputer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: taipei , taiwan Posts: 75	can zoas only tank had no skimmer ?? thanks for suggestion ... zoas tank had many rocks and regular exchange natural sea water can zoas keep long time..... ?? thanks for advice

08/03/2013, 08:32 PM	#2
A. Grandis Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Honolulu Posts: 3,418	There is so much to it that one could write a book just for the subject. Generally speaking, assuming that the advice is a for a beginner, I would suggest to get the best skimmer you can afford. All my systems aways have skimmers. Grandis. __________________ Cartoon names + 1-5 polyps on white plugs = easy money!!! Really? Try to become a reefer, not a "plugger", please! Don't forget that LEDs are actually the shop lights nowadays!! Try HOT5s!

08/03/2013, 11:16 PM	#4
A. Grandis Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Honolulu Posts: 3,418	He'll use natural seawater, probably free. But it doesn't matter. Skimmer shouldn't be replaced by water changes in closed systems anyway. Grandis. __________________ Cartoon names + 1-5 polyps on white plugs = easy money!!! Really? Try to become a reefer, not a "plugger", please! Don't forget that LEDs are actually the shop lights nowadays!! Try HOT5s!

08/06/2013, 03:09 PM	#9
A. Grandis Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Honolulu Posts: 3,418	Allright, alright. More specifically... To answer your question: We could maintain zoanthids in tanks without skimmer for a long time, yes. And you shouldn't need water changes every single day either. We could keep fishes, corals, jellyfishes, whales without skimmers... The system wouldn't be as good as if it had a good skimmer running 24/7. Again, water changes will never substitute skimmers. To tell the truth I personally believe there is nothing you can do that would substitute a good skimmer. For closed and open systems. What type of system is better for the zoas and what would you recommend? Please take advantage and post your thoughts about skimmerless zoa systems. Grandis. __________________ Cartoon names + 1-5 polyps on white plugs = easy money!!! Really? Try to become a reefer, not a "plugger", please! Don't forget that LEDs are actually the shop lights nowadays!! Try HOT5s!

08/19/2013, 02:35 AM	#16
sputer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: taipei , taiwan Posts: 75	thanks for many advice ..............recently i'd chated with some zoas fans .they suggest except sea water change , they will regular change living rocks ?? i'd seen some long life zoas tank by this operation .... Last edited by sputer; 08/19/2013 at 03:00 AM.

08/03/2013, 08:59 PM	#3
Reefing21715 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 100	if you do lots of water changes you will spend more money and time on the long run body. and you will not have the results that skimmer do

08/04/2013, 08:20 PM	#6
kylathwe Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Cordova, TN Posts: 244	I have a biocube with Lps softies and zoas doing great without a skimmer. I do a 20% water change every 2 weeks.

08/06/2013, 08:36 AM	#7
reefwars Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,313	All my zoanthid coral beds are skimmerless, i also only have a few fish and rarely feed the tank. Husbandry!!!

08/08/2013, 12:33 PM	#11
jdraider75 Registered Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Davenport, Iowa Posts: 546	Definitely get a skimmer just my $.02

08/10/2013, 07:43 PM	#12
dinwiddie90 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 71	Skimmer is defiantly the way to go

08/12/2013, 08:48 PM	#13
IGROZOAS Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28	I would get a skimmer just my opinion.

08/13/2013, 12:09 PM	#14
lostintheocean Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: deep blue Posts: 467	no fish, no fish poop, no skimmer will be fine...as long as the rest of the set up is well balanced

08/19/2013, 10:13 AM	#17
Pallobi CTARS, BRS & OSRAS Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 7,001	I would never go without a good skimmer... __________________ Zoas & Palys

08/19/2013, 09:10 PM	#19
Reefa25 Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 108	skimmers are always worth the money!! __________________ I reef therefore I spend.

08/25/2013, 07:58 PM	#20
painkiller Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Got a quick question. Just got some zoas for my 29g biocube for the first time. Do you dose w iodine? Thanks! Just hope they will grow. Oops! Sorry, didn't mean to post this here.... Oh well, if anyone has an answer, thanx!

08/26/2013, 09:25 AM	#24
chiblackhawks4 Moved On Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 115	Your skimmer is one of the most important pieces of equipment youll buy IMO. A MUST HAVE. I went without one for a while when I started in the hobby and looking back I cant believe anything survived.

08/27/2013, 10:28 PM	#25
JasonMHorn Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 221	I currently don't running a skimmer and my Zoas are doing very well. But I'm in the process of designing a new sump and I plan on adding a skimmer because I'll have more then enough room. Plus I figure that it can't hurt.