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01/02/2013, 08:08 AM | #1 |
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Warning using Ammo Lock dangerously lowers pH
If you're using Ammo Lock in your quarantine tank stop using it right away!!!! I lost most of the fish I was treating and finally found out that The Ammo Lock lowers pH to dangerously low levels. The pH was less than 7.0. I know it was the Ammo Lock because I tested some water and then tested again after adding the product and bingo. I am going to warn as many folks as I can and also write to the manufacturer and companies that carry this peice of garbage product. It killed many of my fish in quarantine before I figured it out!
If you have already used it please test the pH of your water. If it's dangerously low do a water change but acclimate the fish to the new water. I hope this helps someone not lose their fish. I think it should be a sticky here since this product is a fish killer.
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Easy there turbo. How did you measure this pH? It can also affect your measurement. How did you dose it? How much? I'm not saying you're wrong but let's get all the facts out before we start running people off a product that so many have used without incident.
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Also what was the salinity of the water you added it to that it dropped the pH so bad in?
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01/02/2013, 12:26 PM | #4 |
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Are you serious? I don't answer to comments like that. I'm not a kid. Speak like you're talking to an adult and you will get more respect.
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01/02/2013, 01:44 PM | #6 |
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Thin skinned? Hardly at all. I just have a thing about kids blabbing their mouths like I'm one of their peers ; )
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Very interested in hearing the documented parameters before adding Ammo Lock and after.
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Yeah someone could use a chill pill.
First off, you shouldnt be using chemicals to fix water parameters. Thats just asking for trouble. |
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If you read my post you would have understood that this was used in quarantine. Have you ever heard of the tank transfer method to eradicate ich? I'm assuming no. Ammonia levels can build rapidly so between transfers an ammonia binding product protects the fish from its harmful effects. Anyway if anyone uses this product in quarantine beware or don't even take my word for it. If I had a product that was in question the first thing I would do before using it is run my own test. Do a simple pH test. I did with fresh water and also with saltwater. Test pH. Add product at prescribed dose. Recheck pH. It's not rocket science.
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Try a water change to control ammonia during treating in a QT. Done.
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Yes. And when you do it try to use a reliable method to check that pH. Not a color change kit.
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Ok you're right regarding me bashing the product. I was very upset after reading the tests and then experimenting and getting the same result. I never had fish die like that in quarantine so I was emotional when I wrote it.
Regarding a kid nick naming me Turbo and telling me to relax however is not tolerable. Joking with your pals is one thing but a woman you don't know who just may be old enough to be your mom is a no no young man ; )
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BTW: It wasn't a nickname. It is a figure of speech. means the same as "cool your jets" It never was personal.
And if you focused less on perceived insolence and more on the fish we might figure out what happened to them and how to fix it. If that was what you were really concerned with.
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Unfortunately, with the written word it is sometimes hard to discern intent. "Body language" and nuance are lost. To me, the term "turbo" means you're speeding ahead, and that's the way I read both that comment and your original post. Obviously, you didn't read it that way.
Whatever the miscommunications, something happened in your QT tank, and without more information, we can't figure out how to keep it from happening again. Were you medicating the tank? What size was it? How many fish (and their sizes)? How long had they been in the tank? What is your filtration, and more importantly, what is your water (specifically surface water) movement? Where is your tank located (since in winter months our tanks' Ph tends to drop due to the higher amount of CO2 in indoor air)? Just a few questions that might shed some light on the problem. Kevin
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Wow... David you are patient.
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I am having a similar issue in my Quarantine tank at the moment. Added Amquel yesterday and noticed my pH dropped. Have a pH probe on it and I double checked with a Salifert kit. Was down to 7.48 before I started adding buffer. I am running an air stone in it and it had not occured to me that it may be the CO2 in the air bringing the ph down. Have been adding buffer but does not help much. QT tank is in the basement. Could that be the reason? Should I cut off the air? I have a bio-wheel type filter and powerhead in there also.
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Thanks for the warning guys
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Not sure why one would even need this product? And why would anyone be using in SW? I thought it was a FW only product, guess I was wrong.
After TTMing several fish(15 to 20 over the course of the years), I have yet to see an ammonia buildup to dangerous levels in 72 hours or less. If you are seeing a dangerous level buildup, consider larger tanks, smaller specimens, or doing a few extra transfers with each transfer being only 24 or 48 hours. FWI I read the entire thread, OP sounded like a kid in the OP, and I totally got Bertoni's meaning to "Turbo". People are so touchy these days, age, sex, and/or expertise doesn't always convey very well in written form.
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So after 22 posts. I still dont know if the product is good or bad.
I have never used it. It might be helpful to know in the future. It might be helpful to know TTM day used, other meds, fish type and number, concentration, size of tank, why fish were treated? |
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Wow no kidding! I usually look at the the OP date before I post, guess this time I didn't.
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Ancient post brought back to life, but for whoever thats interested:
I have personally used prime in my qt for years with no ill effect. however I add much less then whats recommend on the bottle and only when its needed. Just make sure to NEVER use prime or any ammonia reducers with copper! TTM method is my proffered choice of qt as well and I have been doing it for year but I have to admit that I have had some failures with it when doing it every 3 days (less then 72 hours) swaps so I changed to every 48 hours and it has worked perfectly! No need to worry about ammonia either. however TTM doesn't treat for velvet which is becoming just as common as ich.
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