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One bottle of TLC bacteria en route. I will report back.
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Good for you. One of the first axioms about reef aquariums from 40 years ago is still true today, "Only bad things happen fast, good things sometimes require patience". It ain't magic fairy dust, but it will work.
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This is "Reef DISCUSSSION", after all
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I respectfully request that you continue to supply us with your knowledge, wit and humor. Censorship is not in my vocabulary. Perhaps Jack Nickolson said it best "They can't handle the truth". Please continue to ramble along with me on this thread. Patrick
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Along with all the other things that are going on, I think the tank is just too clean. It's no wonder the corals aren't happy and my pod population has declined. I'm hoping this forthcoming bacterial inoculation coupled with my reduced intervention gets this little tank back on track. Thank you for the biological inspiration your writings have given me |
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Zooplankton and pod & worm larvae are one in the same. Depending on flow dynamics, some zooplankton will be removed by skimmer and hopefully, some will go in display tank.
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Um why are people googling me? I stumbled on this thread just casually browsing RC, and see my name all of a sudden.
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Can you elaborate on skimmerless and NPS. Did you relocate from Eorope? I am fairly certain that Mark Van Der Wal was from Germany.
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I suppose my contribution to this thread is to say that from my personal reef keeping experience (over 30 years) that I have never dosed a bottle of bacteria. Using the 'old-school' tried-and-tested Live Rock (originally from the ocean) and a shallow agagonite sandbed has worked very well for me. I also don't use an GAC, GFO, Bio-Pellets, Carbon dosing, skimmers or anything else (other than Kalkwaser for Ca and Alk and a few drops/wk of a commercial Iodine supplement to ensure sufficient levels for crustacean moltings) preferring to simply do weekly water changes along with detritus removal. Of course, there are many ways to run a reef tank, but IMO the methodology used should be one where the system/animals have the proven potential to stay healthy for many, many years. Last edited by Nano sapiens; 08/17/2016 at 02:38 PM. |
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Hi Mark! Great to see you!
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Good to see Mark popping into this thread!
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Hey Brian!
Patrick, Again, I never kept any non-photosynthetic corals long term. It's on my bucket list though. As far as SPS, I never implemented long term feeding of them either. While I have tinkered with coral foods here and there, ultimately I just usually resorted to feeding the fish and letting the corals fend for themselves. I'm a non-stop tinkerer. I like trying methodologies, mixing and matching. I try not to preach one thing over the other, because I think you can find successful examples of any method. It all works. One is not better than the other in isolation. But one might be better suited for you than the other. I wrote a blog post a long time ago about avoiding reefkeeping demagogues. People who preach one thing or another. you'll have to google it. I know there some linking issues with said blog and RC. In regards to that I can just say I was once a mod here at RC, and have also contributed to RB. I have fond feelings for both sites and the people behind them. Regarding skimmerless.... I have also had a 'thing' for what folks call natural tanks. But what is natural? Really, all systems are bacteria driven mostly. So let me rephrase, I have a thing for systems that are less technical and more simple. But I find personally to have the best results by transitioning to less equipment slowly. I definitely see the benefit of a skimmer in the beginning when coral mass is small compared to tank volume. As the tank matures and coral mass takes up more space, I find that I can pull the skimmer with less issues. I liken it to a planted freshwater tank. Once you get enough biomass and subsequent stability, there's more biology to replace technology. I do still like carbon and water changes quarterly to avoid buildup of elements, terpenoids, and chemical warfare.
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Nano, You and I have been doing similar methods for a long time. The biggest difference is I have several large systems. The economics to do weekly water changes becomes somewhat prohibitive. Aside from that, I would say our reef keeping methods are nearly identical. With respect to knowing which bacteria types are in the water, I would point you to Ken Felderman. He has done extensive research on bacteria in our reef tanks. I personnally don't need to know what types are in my tank. As a proactive method, I choose to use probiotics as an insurance policy. For me, it is much more economical than weekly water changes. Of course, both methods are compatiable.
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With respect to reef biomass, Ken Felderman had some interesting scientific papers published. Some of his findings have moved me to where my present day methods are: Protein skimmers, at best, remove 30% of. DOC Activated carbon removes up to 75% of DOC Corals remove 30% of DOC. IMO, if his test had been run on a more mature reef tank, it could easily have skewed the absorption of DOC by coral to 75%. Thank you for your input.
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Hi Mark,
Subsea is referring to a short write up you did on Reef Builders "Sundays, Coffee, and unconventional reef aquariums" in Sept of 2012 where you had posted a video that is no longer there on an old NPS tank that was owned by Minh where it was ran without a skimmer. |
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I've read Ken's work and it's very interesting. Delbeek/Sprung ('Reef Aquarium, Vol 3) also discuss the various bacterial types/species that could be in any of our tanks and even a bit regarding which species tend to dominate under which conditions. Facinating reads, for sure. |
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The video can be found on his Vimeo channel: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Here's part two:
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Looks like Minh posted on RC as well.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1494388 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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