Fairy Wrasses, need identifying

Rolldmntide88 · 01/16/2018, 12:11 PM

Hello all,
My first post here. I have been looking for some not so common fairy wrasses after growing bored with the usual suspects. Got these the other day but of course they come from the store with some pretty ambiguous names.
Anyone have any insight?
Thanks

I apologize for picture quality, I couldn't figure out how to upload original video.

Tkieu78 · 01/16/2018, 01:04 PM

Pintail wrasse

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Crimson · 01/16/2018, 01:12 PM

I owned a pair of pintails once, great fish. Make sure your screened lid is secure.

Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus I believe is the correct name. Note the "cf" this is the dwarf or smaller version of the pintail is what you have.

The Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus is the larger one.

Rolldmntide88 · 01/16/2018, 01:38 PM

Great, thanks for the information.
The one who's tail is not visible in the picture has a tail that comes to a point, unlike the more visible one with a forked tail.
Crimson, are you implying they are the same species (one being a subspecies) as I was under the impression they were two totally different fish.

When I google pintail fairy wrasse (thanks to yall's input) its pretty clear the fish facing the camera is what people are calling a pintail wrasse.

HBtank · 01/16/2018, 02:14 PM

I have had fairy wrasse jump through a single 1/2 inch hole/crack, on a full canopy... more than once. Simply an open back on a full canopy is a guaranteed loss with time. Most frustrating species I have kept in that regard, just an FYI, but also one of my favorites!

Tkieu78 · 01/16/2018, 02:37 PM

The fork tail looks to be a crescent tail wrasse

https://************.com/2015/05/13/...natus-group-2/

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albano · 01/16/2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolldmntide88

Crimson, are you implying they are the same species (one being a subspecies) as I was under the impression they were two totally different fish...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson

Note the "cf" this is the dwarf or smaller version of the pintail is what you have.

The abbreviation cf. comes from the Latin word conferre, which means “compare to” or “confer.” ... means that the person using the name is saying the fish should be compared to a given species, as it might not be exactly the same species...nothing to do with size

JustinM · 01/16/2018, 04:36 PM

The one on the top is a Cirrhilabrus Isosceles and the one on the bottom is a Cirrhilabrus Lunatus. The Isosceles used to be labled as a Cirrhilabrus cf. Lanceolatus.

JustinM · 01/16/2018, 04:38 PM

They are both in the Lanceolatus Complex, meaning one needs to become more dominant than the other and may lead to a lot of fighting till one becomes dominant.

2una · 01/16/2018, 04:40 PM

They ended up giving it its own name

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Cirrhilabrus isosceles is the 51st member of the fairy wrasse genus, and one whose time to receive official scientific description has been long overdue. Long referred to as C. cf lanceolatus or the Pintail Fairy Wrasse

https://************.com/2016/06/08/...wrasse-a-name/

GroceryGetterS4 · 01/16/2018, 05:28 PM

Wait, so there's TWO different types of pintail wrasse? I'm completely confused.

JustinM · 01/16/2018, 05:55 PM

No. There is only one pintail wrasse, the C. Isosceles. There is the Lanceolatus which is a multiple thousand dollar fish. Before the Isosceles had a name it was the C cf. Lanceolatus as Albano said, it was compared to the Lanceolatus, though it’s a whole different species.

Crimson · 01/16/2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinM

No. There is only one pintail wrasse, the C. Isosceles. There is the Lanceolatus which is a multiple thousand dollar fish. Before the Isosceles had a name it was the C cf. Lanceolatus as Albano said, it was compared to the Lanceolatus, though it’s a whole different species.

I owned two when they first started to be available back in 2013. They were expensive. I remember having conversations with you before about them. Anyway, I haven't been keeping up on fairy wrasses since I downsized and did not know the name change.

Ended up selling them and my rhomboid to a local who was very happy to have them.

JTJreef · 01/17/2018, 03:53 AM

Very nice. Both tend to be on the less side. Depending on the size of the tank, since they were added at the same time, should be fine together.

JTJreef · 01/17/2018, 03:54 AM

“Less aggressive side”

Jekerry · 01/17/2018, 08:38 AM

What is the coral right next to them? It is really beautiful and matches them perfectly.

nereefpat · 01/17/2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekerry

What is the coral right next to them? It is really beautiful and matches them perfectly.

Sun coral. Non-photosynthetic. Needs fed.

Jekerry · 01/17/2018, 09:03 AM

I was wondering if that was it. I plan to admire from afar in that case. Maybe someday, lol. Too new for that!

01/16/2018, 01:12 PM	#3
Crimson Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 421	I owned a pair of pintails once, great fish. Make sure your screened lid is secure. Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus I believe is the correct name. Note the "cf" this is the dwarf or smaller version of the pintail is what you have. The Cirrhilabrus lanceolatus is the larger one. __________________ -Paul New years resolution... staying out of the lounge. Current Tank Info: 36x18x12 AIO Peninsula, T5's 2x Kessil a160we

01/16/2018, 02:14 PM	#5
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	I have had fairy wrasse jump through a single 1/2 inch hole/crack, on a full canopy... more than once. Simply an open back on a full canopy is a guaranteed loss with time. Most frustrating species I have kept in that regard, just an FYI, but also one of my favorites! __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

01/16/2018, 01:04 PM	#2
Tkieu78 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: BAY AREA , CA Posts: 1,025	Pintail wrasse Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

01/16/2018, 01:38 PM	#4
Rolldmntide88 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: SoFla Posts: 2	Great, thanks for the information. The one who's tail is not visible in the picture has a tail that comes to a point, unlike the more visible one with a forked tail. Crimson, are you implying they are the same species (one being a subspecies) as I was under the impression they were two totally different fish. When I google pintail fairy wrasse (thanks to yall's input) its pretty clear the fish facing the camera is what people are calling a pintail wrasse.

01/16/2018, 02:37 PM	#6
Tkieu78 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: BAY AREA , CA Posts: 1,025	The fork tail looks to be a crescent tail wrasse https://************.com/2015/05/13/...natus-group-2/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

01/16/2018, 04:36 PM	#8
JustinM Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,215	The one on the top is a Cirrhilabrus Isosceles and the one on the bottom is a Cirrhilabrus Lunatus. The Isosceles used to be labled as a Cirrhilabrus cf. Lanceolatus.

01/16/2018, 04:38 PM	#9
JustinM Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,215	They are both in the Lanceolatus Complex, meaning one needs to become more dominant than the other and may lead to a lot of fighting till one becomes dominant.

01/16/2018, 05:28 PM	#11
GroceryGetterS4 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 111	Wait, so there's TWO different types of pintail wrasse? I'm completely confused.

01/16/2018, 05:55 PM	#12
JustinM Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,215	No. There is only one pintail wrasse, the C. Isosceles. There is the Lanceolatus which is a multiple thousand dollar fish. Before the Isosceles had a name it was the C cf. Lanceolatus as Albano said, it was compared to the Lanceolatus, though it’s a whole different species.

01/17/2018, 03:53 AM	#14
JTJreef Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Carolinas Posts: 52	Very nice. Both tend to be on the less side. Depending on the size of the tank, since they were added at the same time, should be fine together.

01/17/2018, 03:54 AM	#15
JTJreef Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Carolinas Posts: 52	“Less aggressive side”

01/17/2018, 08:38 AM	#16
Jekerry Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 205	What is the coral right next to them? It is really beautiful and matches them perfectly.

01/17/2018, 09:03 AM	#18
Jekerry Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 205	I was wondering if that was it. I plan to admire from afar in that case. Maybe someday, lol. Too new for that!