Butterflytown - 240 FOWLR - Page 19

NarakuAulonocar · 08/05/2015, 10:22 AM

Nice butterflyfish.

Just be careful of bacteria infection.
In my experience butterflyfish tend to get bacteria infection in the first few months you get them. It tend to manifest as slight cloudy eyes, fins and redness.

Most time they can recover without intervention but sometimes they need antibiotics.

caribfan · 08/05/2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NarakuAulonocar

Nice butterflyfish.

Just be careful of bacteria infection.
In my experience butterflyfish tend to get bacteria infection in the first few months you get them. It tend to manifest as slight cloudy eyes, fins and redness.

Most time they can recover without intervention but sometimes they need antibiotics.

Thanks!

I'm watching it closely, plan to do a big wc tomorrow evening and get the skimmer back on. If the redness doesn't improve, plan to treat with maracyn.

Got the replacement semi today, slightly bigger than the first one. Looked decent, but I had to acclimate and leave for work.

caribfan · 08/05/2015, 07:48 PM

The prazi is definitely having a negative affect on feeding responses for all fish in my quarantine tank. Plan to do a big water change tomorrow and get the skimmer back on.

Hope that puts things back on track.

caribfan · 08/07/2015, 08:58 AM

The semilarvatus and Heniochus got their appetites back yesterday, the Arabian is just starting to pick at the clam shells again.

Hope the strong feeding response returns completely later today or tomorrow. The redness is still there, so I may start antibiotics in a few days.

I'm a bit concerned about doing that though since the prazi had such a strong effect on the feeding response.

humaguy · 08/07/2015, 10:34 AM

did the prazi affect all the fish?
standard dose?

such a beautiful fish...

caribfan · 08/07/2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by humaguy

did the prazi affect all the fish?
standard dose?

such a beautiful fish...

Yes, they all stopped eating, it's just taking the Arabian longer to get back to normal.

My QT is about 45 gallons, so I typically dose 12.5 ml. I think that's the standard dose.

caribfan · 08/07/2015, 07:25 PM

Videos from earlier this morning, sorry about the actinics.

mnkykng77 · 08/08/2015, 11:15 AM

Glad the Semi and Arabian are back to eating. I love watching all your video of the semi, haha

caribfan · 08/08/2015, 12:40 PM

Thanks, I may try to have my buddy that took some photos earlier take a nice video of my tank after I add the two semilarvatus.

I'd love to say after I add the Arabian, but I've got a long road ahead of me to get that fish ready for the DT.

I'm still not completely sure how much it's eating, I have a surgery next week and should have a lot of time to sit and watch the tank. I may end up building some kind of specialized feeding box to make sure it gets food once I add it to the DT.

angelman21 · 08/09/2015, 05:30 AM

nice

humaguy · 08/09/2015, 04:21 PM

how is the Arabian doing?

caribfan · 08/09/2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by humaguy

how is the Arabian doing?

I'd say it's right back to where it was before the Prazi treatment.

The redness is still present, I'm debating what to do next.

As I see it, my options are:

1. Do nothing and see if it improves.
2. Start second round of Prazi and expect another hunger strike.
3. Start antibiotic treatment.

Any thoughts? For redness I'd typically treat with antibiotics, but I want to make sure I'm addressing the problem and not the symptoms.

Im not excited about putting it through another round of Prazi either, but then again that's typical quarantine protocol for me

Not really sure how to proceed.

humaguy · 08/09/2015, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by caribfan

I'd say it's right back to where it was before the Prazi treatment.

The redness is still present, I'm debating what to do next.

As I see it, my options are:

1. Do nothing and see if it improves.
2. Start second round of Prazi and expect another hunger strike.
3. Start antibiotic treatment.

Any thoughts? For redness I'd typically treat with antibiotics, but I want to make sure I'm addressing the problem and not the symptoms.

Im not excited about putting it through another round of Prazi either, but then again that's typical quarantine protocol for me

Not really sure how to proceed.

Hear ya...tough call, maybe 1 for a few days then 3?

caribfan · 08/09/2015, 05:30 PM

You'd skip the second round of Prazi?

When I did the fw dip I was positive I saw a couple little flukes, but I never really found them After I transferred him back.

I'm leaning towards your strategy.

humaguy · 08/09/2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by caribfan

You'd skip the second round of Prazi?

When I did the fw dip I was positive I saw a couple little flukes, but I never really found them After I transferred him back.

I'm leaning towards your strategy.

where did you see flukes?

I am big on doing nothing, if possible...
Another fw shouldn't hurt any...

will go back and look at video...can you get a close-up?

NarakuAulonocar · 08/09/2015, 07:32 PM

FYI, when I used antibiotics, it didn't affect their appetite.
But since, I can't see the fish up close, I wouldn't know if redness is due to flukes or bacteria.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caribfan

I'd say it's right back to where it was before the Prazi treatment.

The redness is still present, I'm debating what to do next.

As I see it, my options are:

1. Do nothing and see if it improves.
2. Start second round of Prazi and expect another hunger strike.
3. Start antibiotic treatment.

Any thoughts? For redness I'd typically treat with antibiotics, but I want to make sure I'm addressing the problem and not the symptoms.

Im not excited about putting it through another round of Prazi either, but then again that's typical quarantine protocol for me

Not really sure how to proceed.

NarakuAulonocar · 08/09/2015, 07:41 PM

Another thought... Have you tested the ph and ammonia?
High ammonia can cause redness.

caribfan · 08/09/2015, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humaguy

where did you see flukes?

I am big on doing nothing, if possible...
Another fw shouldn't hurt any...

will go back and look at video...can you get a close-up?

Never saw the flukes on the fish, more floating in the water during the fresh water dip. I've done a fair number of fw dips to know what they look like, I only saw a couple and they were smaller.

I did a big wc tonight. I think I'm going to feed heavy the next few days and if the redness doesn't go away, I'll do another freshwater dip.

Here's a Video from tonight, there is a lot of spitting out, but there is definite swallowing going on as well, it may not be in the video I got though.

The redness is on the right pelvic fin where the fin joins to the body, typical place for symptoms of flukes to show up.

caribfan · 08/09/2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NarakuAulonocar

FYI, when I used antibiotics, it didn't affect their appetite.
But since, I can't see the fish up close, I wouldn't know if redness is due to flukes or bacteria.

Good to know, which antibiotic and what kind of fish? How long was the treatment period?

caribfan · 08/09/2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NarakuAulonocar

Another thought... Have you tested the ph and ammonia?
High ammonia can cause redness.

Not tested them and while it could be a concern, I'm doubtful that's the issue. The tank has gotten a lot of water changes, has a very established bio filter and a protein skimmer.

Also, the heniochus and semilarvatus don't seem to be having any issues.

NarakuAulonocar · 08/10/2015, 12:28 AM

It was nitrofurazone for a week with a long nose butterfly. Although, I now learned that it is one of the less safe antibiotics. I would go with a broad spectrum med like levofloxacin instead. I use these in my other tank and haven't notice any problem.

Other people have used marycin I and 2 with success.

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Originally Posted by caribfan

Good to know, which antibiotic and what kind of fish? How long was the treatment period?

NarakuAulonocar · 08/10/2015, 12:29 AM

I agree with your reasoning

Quote:

Originally Posted by caribfan

Not tested them and while it could be a concern, I'm doubtful that's the issue. The tank has gotten a lot of water changes, has a very established bio filter and a protein skimmer.

Also, the heniochus and semilarvatus don't seem to be having any issues.

NarakuAulonocar · 08/10/2015, 12:36 AM

Have you ever thought of sneaking pellets inside the clam or even mixing it with the current food?

caribfan · 08/10/2015, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NarakuAulonocar

Have you ever thought of sneaking pellets inside the clam or even mixing it with the current food?

Actually did that early on, made a pellet and flake only clam. It nipped at it, but at the time, I'm not sure how much food was being ingested.

Might try that again this week.

I think I'm going to add some of the Kent Zoe product to the next batch of clam shells I make too.

NarakuAulonocar · 08/10/2015, 11:54 AM

I think soaking the food in selcon, which has fat is also beneficial to prevent weight loss and hlle.

Vita chem would also be helpful for missing nutrients.

Since, he's not swallowing a lot, you have to make every bite count.

08/05/2015, 07:48 PM	#453
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	The prazi is definitely having a negative affect on feeding responses for all fish in my quarantine tank. Plan to do a big water change tomorrow and get the skimmer back on. Hope that puts things back on track. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

08/07/2015, 08:58 AM	#454
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	The semilarvatus and Heniochus got their appetites back yesterday, the Arabian is just starting to pick at the clam shells again. Hope the strong feeding response returns completely later today or tomorrow. The redness is still there, so I may start antibiotics in a few days. I'm a bit concerned about doing that though since the prazi had such a strong effect on the feeding response. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

08/07/2015, 07:25 PM	#457
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	Videos from earlier this morning, sorry about the actinics. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

08/08/2015, 11:15 AM	#458
mnkykng77 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 270	Glad the Semi and Arabian are back to eating. I love watching all your video of the semi, haha __________________ Current: 120g(60x18x24), R-200 refugium, Aquamaxx EM200, Kessil A160we (x3)

08/08/2015, 12:40 PM	#459
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	Thanks, I may try to have my buddy that took some photos earlier take a nice video of my tank after I add the two semilarvatus. I'd love to say after I add the Arabian, but I've got a long road ahead of me to get that fish ready for the DT. I'm still not completely sure how much it's eating, I have a surgery next week and should have a lot of time to sit and watch the tank. I may end up building some kind of specialized feeding box to make sure it gets food once I add it to the DT. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

08/05/2015, 10:22 AM	#451
NarakuAulonocar Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 231	Nice butterflyfish. Just be careful of bacteria infection. In my experience butterflyfish tend to get bacteria infection in the first few months you get them. It tend to manifest as slight cloudy eyes, fins and redness. Most time they can recover without intervention but sometimes they need antibiotics.

08/07/2015, 10:34 AM	#455
humaguy Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Western Ct, NYC Posts: 8,218	did the prazi affect all the fish? standard dose? such a beautiful fish...

08/09/2015, 05:30 AM	#460
angelman21 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hialeah, FL Posts: 55	nice

08/09/2015, 04:21 PM	#461
humaguy Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Western Ct, NYC Posts: 8,218	how is the Arabian doing?

08/09/2015, 05:30 PM	#464
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	You'd skip the second round of Prazi? When I did the fw dip I was positive I saw a couple little flukes, but I never really found them After I transferred him back. I'm leaning towards your strategy. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

08/09/2015, 07:41 PM	#467
NarakuAulonocar Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 231	Another thought... Have you tested the ph and ammonia? High ammonia can cause redness.

08/10/2015, 12:36 AM	#473
NarakuAulonocar Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 231	Have you ever thought of sneaking pellets inside the clam or even mixing it with the current food?

08/10/2015, 11:54 AM	#475
NarakuAulonocar Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 231	I think soaking the food in selcon, which has fat is also beneficial to prevent weight loss and hlle. Vita chem would also be helpful for missing nutrients. Since, he's not swallowing a lot, you have to make every bite count.