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09/04/2019, 06:33 AM | #1 |
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Dosing chloroquine in a fish only tank
Does anyone have any experience with dosing chloroquine phosphate in a fish only tank with live rock and sand. I do have some snails and anemone in the tank however these can be removed if I am to dose. The reason for this question is because I saw a butterfly with what may be signs of inch.. however even if I were to catch and treat all fishes in the tank (for this I will need a huge quarantine tank) there will still be the parasite present in the tank... and it have been suggested that ick can go dormant without a host or the incubation time can be almost two months... I have been quarantining all fish but it seemes that something slipped pass. Thanks for any info
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09/04/2019, 10:09 AM | #2 |
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I've helped some LFS clear their retail tanks (with rock/sand) of velvet using CP and this is how we did it: Start off by dosing 10 mg/L (40 mg/gal) and then subsequently dose 1 mg/L (4 mg/gal) every day thereafter. Daily redosing is ideal, but if that conflicts with your schedule then redosing 3 mg/L or 12 mg/gal every 3 days (for example) should still be adequate. CP has a wide therapeutic range (20-80 mg/gal), so the objective is to keep it within that concentration at all times. Keep redosing for 30 days.
The reason you have to keep redosing CP is because the amount of bacteria found in a typical DT environment will degrade the medication. |
09/04/2019, 09:25 PM | #3 |
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Thank you, I will give it a try
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CP is a miracle drug! The only thing I didn't like about using it is that I could not test it like I could with copper. The equipment is out there, it is just so expensive, even for used equipment. Follow HF's guidelines and I am sure you will be fine.
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09/05/2019, 06:20 AM | #5 |
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The other option I was concedering was dosing cupramine. Any taughts
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No matter what copper you use though, you are looking at months of running Cuprisorb/Poly filter to pull all the copper out of the tank to make it reef safe again. |
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One of the biggest issues with copper is that it is an immunosuppressant. Weakening the fishs' immune system opens the door for all kinds of complications and secondary infections. There are far better and more targeted medications against most parasites. Copper is what you use if you don't know what you are treating or if you treat a multitude of parasites - which is why many LFS use it.
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And while CP is an immunosuppressant, it is the most effective treatment against Amyloodinium and requires shorter exposure times than copper. When it comes to Cryptocaryon in a big system I would rather eliminate the stressors and let the the fishs' immune systems handle it rather than go the chemical route or treat the whole system. Should individual fish get too sick I would pull them and treat them separately with either TTM or hypo or both and then give them the time they need to get their defenses up against the parasite before returning them. This worked well for me and after about a year without new additions the parasite had actually died out in the system.
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Also, immune fish outright kill the parasites that try to feed on them and the parasites that manage to feed on a partially immune fish will not be as strong and virulent like the ones that feed on a fish without immunity or one with a compromised immune system. It is a war of attrition that the fish will win over time if you aid them by not introducing new Cryptocaryon strains (= don't add fish or anything wet that could have a Cryptocaryon on it) providing them decent water conditions, healthy food, and a stress free environment.
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Against early stages of Brooklynella/Trichodina one or two baths followed by transfers are usually enough. If I would suspect Amyloodinium or Uronema I would do transfers daily with a 45 to 50 minute bath before each transfer. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
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Yeah, at stores I generally avoid buying any fish that looks sick. Often I don't even buy healthy looking fish out of a system where other fish show signs of infections.
I rather try to avoid to have the need to treat new fish. But if you were around here I could point you to a store where it is often easy to find all kinds of interesting fish diseases. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
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Now I live 40 minutes from the nearest Petco, and all they really keep in stock is damsels + clownfish. So, sometimes I can get a clown with Brooklynella to experiment on. Mainly H2O2 experimentation at this point. The wholesalers I use always send me "clean looking" fish because they use subtherapeutic copper. So, unless I want to randomly gill scrape those fish I have no idea if they are infected with something. |
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09/11/2019, 09:52 PM | #22 |
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It sounds like hobbyists in Canada are kinda screwed.
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Maybe we need to send them care packages...;-)
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On another note I started dosing my fish only tank with copper power took 6 days to bring concentration to 1.75 ,strange thing is I have a cleaner shrimp in that tank that I couldn’t catch and he is still doing well |
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