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Unread 08/15/2018, 04:09 AM   #1
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Jabao/Jecod Wavemakers

Is there a site that outlines the differences between the RW, SW, PP, and OW series? I've gathered info on some units, but from the little information that is out there it seems impossible to get the full picture. I read SW is smaller than RW and PP. Is OW the replacement for SW? Is it also small? Other places say OW is the replacement for RW, but how about PP and SW?

The prices seem fairly similar - and cheaper than anything else. Should I just buy the newest (OW) or do the other series have advantages?

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Unread 08/15/2018, 04:40 AM   #2
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WP = Gen1
RW = Gen2
PP = Gen3
SW = Gen4
OW = Gen5
In general the first and second are known to not have good reliability.
After that they seemed to figure it out..

SW supposedly has a 0-10V input to allow external control..
OW is supposedly the best motor/magnet/more rotatable,etc..

You should just buy the OW..


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Unread 08/15/2018, 08:08 AM   #3
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WP = Gen1
RW = Gen2
PP = Gen3
SW = Gen4
OW = Gen5
In general the first and second are known to not have good reliability.
After that they seemed to figure it out..

SW supposedly has a 0-10V input to allow external control..
OW is supposedly the best motor/magnet/more rotatable,etc..

You should just buy the OW..
So can the OWs not be controlled by other things? Like and apex?

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I'm looking to upgrade my RW8'S to the OW range which is the equivalent ow model?


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So can the OWs not be controlled by other things? Like and apex?

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They do not seem to have the 0-10V input on the controller..

That does not mean they can't be externally controlled..
Just not with the stock controller..


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Unread 08/15/2018, 10:03 AM   #6
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I'm looking to upgrade my RW8'S to the OW range which is the equivalent ow model?

While we can do the work for you this is as simple as looking at the rating of your RW8.. Look at the ratings of the OW... Compare and purchase accordingly..


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They do not seem to have the 0-10V input on the controller..

That does not mean they can't be externally controlled..
Just not with the stock controller..
That's what I figured.
I have mine hooked up to my apex via the jeabo adapter.

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Unread 08/15/2018, 01:28 PM   #8
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I have 2 of the OW-10 on my 40b and am pretty happy with them. My only complaint is that they get fairly loud about level 6. I have an otherwise silent system, but I can hear the pumps going on and off from about 10 feet away. This probably wouldn't be an issue inf the tank was in a louder room, but it is VERY quiet in my house.

I am considering trying out the Coralbox QP-5 or maybe even the QP-9. Supposedly they are silent at all levels, and are about the same cost.


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Unread 08/16/2018, 04:02 AM   #9
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Thanks for the input.

I was under the impression that SW is Gen3 and PP is Gen4. No?

I read that compared to WP, RW has wider flow, more control, and a better pump.

SW supposedly has the same pump as RW. The main difference is that a 0-10V external controller port was added in the SW line. Depending on whether or not PP predates SW, PP might or might not have that port also. At any rate, it was removed in the OW line.

Apparently in the OW line all of the electronics have been moved out of the pump and into the controller. I read somewhere that this makes the use of the OW line with APEX impossible. Not sure if that's true. I am not familiar with APEX, and it would not be relevant to me.

I have no info on the PP line.

The replacement for the RW8 in the OW line is the OW25.


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Unread 08/16/2018, 04:06 AM   #10
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Oh, for what it's worth, there are mixed reviews on the OW line being 'more rotatable'. Some users report that is has trouble staying in place, which would be a PITA.


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Do not buy a RW or WP..

Jebao seems to always fail on their first attempt and progressively get better as they refine/redesign.. Avoid early generation stuff..

PP does not have 0-10V port.. PP was before SW.. SW has 0-10v port.. then OW came and 0-10V port went away again..

There is very little reason to need to run those powerheads via an external controller..
Only real reason is "because I can/wow" factor.. There is no real proof that such fancy control is necessary..
People have been successful with non-controllable powerheads for years..


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OK, that clears up the PP vs SW question. Many thanks.

Can you run one of those powerheads without any controller, just full on? I mean, not even the Jebao controller?

I expect to run the thing full power all the time. It's what I have always done with powerheads, and you can buy the powerhead without controller for a little cheaper. I thought those were for wireless controlling in slave mode from a compatible device in master mode.

I have a Jebao pump, and I don't think that thing would even start up without a controller.


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OK, it only took me hours to dig up this information from gazillions of threads about Jebao that typically rant on about irrelevant stuff. I might as well share the compilation here in the hope of saving future prospective users some digging.

WP = Gen1 - reliability problems typical for a new product, very pinpointed flow, no wireless capability.

RW = Gen2 - wider flow, more control, better pump. Wireless capability means one pump in master mode can control several others in slave mode. Of course a power cable needs to run to every pump. This allows syncing of waves.

PP = Gen3 - improved bushing, less chance of seizing than RW. Same controllers, same flow pattern.

SW = Gen4 -smaller than previous generations, 0-10V external controller port added.

OW = Gen5 - quad-pole impeller for better, more reliable pump; 0-10V external controller port was removed and all electronics moved out of the pump into the controller, which might make the use of external, non-Jebao controllers (like APEX) difficult or impossible; head that can be rotated in all different directions within the mount (some users report it does not hold the direction well).

The general recommendation is to avoid early generations, especially WP, but also RW, due to reliability problems.


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Can you run one of those powerheads without any controller, just full on? I mean, not even the Jebao controller?
You basically need the stock controller at minimum..
Or a way to provide it with 24V and the 5V control signal that the controller does.. (which is what external controllers do... jbwave,etc..)


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They do not seem to have the 0-10V input on the controller..

That does not mean they can't be externally controlled..
Just not with the stock controller..
exactly. the jebao-apex controller adapter should be able to control any of the jebao generations, correct??


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Unread 08/18/2018, 12:39 AM   #16
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You basically need the stock controller at minimum..
Or a way to provide it with 24V and the 5V control signal that the controller does.. (which is what external controllers do... jbwave,etc..)
Thanks. That's what I thought. Just wanted to clarify.

I have ordered an OW25.


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Well … it should, but it doesn't [control the OW series]


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There is very little reason to need to run those powerheads via an external controller..
Only real reason is "because I can/wow" factor.. There is no real proof that such fancy control is necessary..
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Unread 10/01/2018, 07:42 AM   #19
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OK, it only took me hours to dig up this information from gazillions of threads about Jebao that typically rant on about irrelevant stuff. I might as well share the compilation here in the hope of saving future prospective users some digging.

WP = Gen1 - reliability problems typical for a new product, very pinpointed flow, no wireless capability.

RW = Gen2 - wider flow, more control, better pump. Wireless capability means one pump in master mode can control several others in slave mode. Of course a power cable needs to run to every pump. This allows syncing of waves.

PP = Gen3 - improved bushing, less chance of seizing than RW. Same controllers, same flow pattern.

SW = Gen4 -smaller than previous generations, 0-10V external controller port added.

OW = Gen5 - quad-pole impeller for better, more reliable pump; 0-10V external controller port was removed and all electronics moved out of the pump into the controller, which might make the use of external, non-Jebao controllers (like APEX) difficult or impossible; head that can be rotated in all different directions within the mount (some users report it does not hold the direction well).

The general recommendation is to avoid early generations, especially WP, but also RW, due to reliability problems.


PP are as unreliable as RW. SW is no better due to the electronic inside the pumps failed.
OW is a more reliable.


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PP are as unreliable as RW. SW is no better due to the electronic inside the pumps failed.
OW is a more reliable.
I just had my first PP failure.. Other one has been doing fine since they came out..
Seems to be either a loose wire/connection or leaking at the powerhead causing a short or something..
Works fine out of water but I put it back into the tank and it doesn't run at all..
I haven't spent the time to diagnose it further..

I'm not sure I'm going to stick with them in the future..
I may try the OW series..
But for the price I can certainly replace a few every couple years and still come out ahead compared to the higher priced units from Tunze/EcoTech..


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Unread 10/01/2018, 12:03 PM   #21
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Try coralbox qp-5/9/16, they are better build. I do not have any pump failure since they came out 2 years ago. I am running a lot of them and I replaced all Jebao wave makers to Coralbox.
They have the electronic in the all digital controllers and they did that before Jebao came out with the OW.


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