How to reduce phosphate ?

carlosmos · 11/18/2017, 12:45 AM

Hello.

I have a 2 years aquarium (300 liters) that generally have zero po4 and some nitrate. But during summer both parameters increase too much... 100 no3 and 0.20 po4 y temperature and skimming issues.

Little by little, adding bacterias and regular water changes the values reduce since 0 no3 and 0.12 po4. Using phosphate resines too ...

But that's all. No posible to reduce more po4, and cyano appears. My system is very simple, sump just have the skimmer Nyos 160 and 1 matrix liter. Plus a reactor with po4 resines.

What options I have?
- take of the matrix trying to increase the no3 value and no have nitrate limitation to reduce the po4?

- use other brand of po4 resines?

- Add potassium nitrate?

Thank you to all the comments and support

Note: excuse me if my English is not correct. Is not my native language.

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hegeh · 11/18/2017, 02:23 AM

What test kit are you using? Yes cyano appear due to nutrient imbalance. Imo stop any carbon dosing and just water change. Increase flow. You may also want to look at you lighting if you are using t5.. increase feeding/feed mysis maybe? In my case i just did 30% waterchange for 2 weeks.

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carlosmos · 11/18/2017, 11:03 AM

I'm using Hanna ultra low range. Yes, I'm using t5 and the bulbs maybe have 4-5 months. No extra feed. No carbon source.

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NS Mike D · 11/19/2017, 06:00 PM

might I suggest reducing carbon dosing to nudge your nitrates up a little. zero is for ultra low nutrient SPS tanks, but most mixed tanks can do well with NO3 at 1 - 2ppm with PO4 at 0.08 - 0.12ppm. SPS dominant more like 0.25 - 0.50 NO3 and 0.01 - 0.02 PO4.

My source for these numbers is Red Sea, these are debatable, but they have done a lot more research than me. When I am on target for their mixed reef range, cyano growth really slows down to a tolerable level for me.

Also, cyano can get really good at finding forms of nitrogen that doesn't show up in test kits. That's why it can out compete other life when NO3 is zero and PO4 is present.

bertoni · 11/19/2017, 08:43 PM

I'd probably try a bit of GFO (like PhosBan or RowaPhos), but carbon dosing (vinegar or vodka) might work well, too.

carlosmos · 11/20/2017, 11:17 AM

I'm not using any carbon source...

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RobZilla04 · 11/20/2017, 12:30 PM

Is your tank being exposed to any outside light source, ie a window? I noticed an outbreak of cyano twice. Both times it was the time of year when the sunlight directly hits the DT for a period of time through a window.

carlosmos · 11/21/2017, 02:34 AM

No se termal lights. I think is for the high phosphates values. The reason is to know why my phosphates are at this level 0.12 and nitrate at 0.0

How to reduce it?

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RobZilla04 · 11/21/2017, 07:05 AM

GFO in a reactor can reduce phos pretty quickly. It can be messy with the granules when it comes time to swap them out. Others have reported GFO negatively impacted their coral vibrance/extension but I did not experience that when I used it. Another option is chaeto in a reactor, which is what I am currently using with positive results after just a couple of weeks.

ReeferNoob4ever · 11/21/2017, 12:13 PM

I second the chaeto reactor but you must have at least a little nitrate for the chaeto to absorb phosphate.

RobZilla04 · 11/22/2017, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeferNoob4ever

I second the chaeto reactor but you must have at least a little nitrate for the chaeto to absorb phosphate.

Be mindful that the API test for nitrate may measure 0, yet there is sufficient nitrate to allow for rapid chaeto growth. This is my case and has been now for three or four weeks since the reactor has been set up.

I've don't three harvests. Typically every 4th or 5th day. Definitely noticing a difference in the DT appearance. Dropped back on the Vodka/Vinegar solution dosing and now my water clarity is improving greatly.

bertoni · 11/22/2017, 10:44 AM

I agree that a measurement of zero nitrate can allow algae to grow well. I suspect that the tank will need a bit of nitrate added in this case, in order to reduce the phosphate level, because the phosphate level is fairly high, but that only is a guess.

carlosmos · 11/26/2017, 02:05 AM

I decide to test PlaktonPlus. Is a German company. It's a green cyano bacteria who eat red cyano bacteria. Looks too positive! We will see...

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11/18/2017, 12:45 AM	#1
carlosmos Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99	How to reduce phosphate ? Hello. I have a 2 years aquarium (300 liters) that generally have zero po4 and some nitrate. But during summer both parameters increase too much... 100 no3 and 0.20 po4 y temperature and skimming issues. Little by little, adding bacterias and regular water changes the values reduce since 0 no3 and 0.12 po4. Using phosphate resines too ... But that's all. No posible to reduce more po4, and cyano appears. My system is very simple, sump just have the skimmer Nyos 160 and 1 matrix liter. Plus a reactor with po4 resines. What options I have? - take of the matrix trying to increase the no3 value and no have nitrate limitation to reduce the po4? - use other brand of po4 resines? - Add potassium nitrate? Thank you to all the comments and support Note: excuse me if my English is not correct. Is not my native language. Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

11/19/2017, 08:43 PM	#5
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I'd probably try a bit of GFO (like PhosBan or RowaPhos), but carbon dosing (vinegar or vodka) might work well, too. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

11/20/2017, 12:30 PM	#7
RobZilla04 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 1,857	Is your tank being exposed to any outside light source, ie a window? I noticed an outbreak of cyano twice. Both times it was the time of year when the sunlight directly hits the DT for a period of time through a window. __________________ 90g Mixed Reef

11/21/2017, 07:05 AM	#9
RobZilla04 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 1,857	GFO in a reactor can reduce phos pretty quickly. It can be messy with the granules when it comes time to swap them out. Others have reported GFO negatively impacted their coral vibrance/extension but I did not experience that when I used it. Another option is chaeto in a reactor, which is what I am currently using with positive results after just a couple of weeks. __________________ 90g Mixed Reef

11/21/2017, 12:13 PM	#10
ReeferNoob4ever Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NM Posts: 523	I second the chaeto reactor but you must have at least a little nitrate for the chaeto to absorb phosphate. __________________ Get a life! Current Tank Info: 20gL mixed reef, 10g mixed reef w/nem & clown, 5g NPS & harlequin

11/18/2017, 02:23 AM	#2
hegeh Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 223	What test kit are you using? Yes cyano appear due to nutrient imbalance. Imo stop any carbon dosing and just water change. Increase flow. You may also want to look at you lighting if you are using t5.. increase feeding/feed mysis maybe? In my case i just did 30% waterchange for 2 weeks. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

11/18/2017, 11:03 AM	#3
carlosmos Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99	I'm using Hanna ultra low range. Yes, I'm using t5 and the bulbs maybe have 4-5 months. No extra feed. No carbon source. Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

11/19/2017, 06:00 PM	#4
NS Mike D Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 391	might I suggest reducing carbon dosing to nudge your nitrates up a little. zero is for ultra low nutrient SPS tanks, but most mixed tanks can do well with NO3 at 1 - 2ppm with PO4 at 0.08 - 0.12ppm. SPS dominant more like 0.25 - 0.50 NO3 and 0.01 - 0.02 PO4. My source for these numbers is Red Sea, these are debatable, but they have done a lot more research than me. When I am on target for their mixed reef range, cyano growth really slows down to a tolerable level for me. Also, cyano can get really good at finding forms of nitrogen that doesn't show up in test kits. That's why it can out compete other life when NO3 is zero and PO4 is present.

11/20/2017, 11:17 AM	#6
carlosmos Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99	I'm not using any carbon source... Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

11/21/2017, 02:34 AM	#8
carlosmos Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99	No se termal lights. I think is for the high phosphates values. The reason is to know why my phosphates are at this level 0.12 and nitrate at 0.0 How to reduce it? Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

11/22/2017, 10:44 AM	#12
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I agree that a measurement of zero nitrate can allow algae to grow well. I suspect that the tank will need a bit of nitrate added in this case, in order to reduce the phosphate level, because the phosphate level is fairly high, but that only is a guess. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

11/26/2017, 02:05 AM	#13
carlosmos Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99	I decide to test PlaktonPlus. Is a German company. It's a green cyano bacteria who eat red cyano bacteria. Looks too positive! We will see... Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk