My Project ★ GENESIS ★ 110G (Miracle) SPS Dream Tank - (I) Pre-Build Thread - Page 16

om6acw · 02/22/2018, 02:02 PM

Green drywall and tape is big scam manufacturers and sales people are pushing it on people, it is same drywall just with different color paper that is treated with chemicals to prevent mold growth, they are meant to be used in bathrooms where they will be covered with other 100% waterproof materials where occasional condensation on it would dry before mold can develop but if moisture get on it inside the wall it will develop mold growth. If you truly want to have water resistant and mold resistant wall section there, you should use cement board or fiberboard like DensArmor also for taping use fiber mash and hot mud (quick setting) and after painting install FRP over it 16” higher and 24” to the sides you want to protect and seal edges with high quality 50-60year silicone, don’t use that Alex caulk if water gets on it is wild soften it up and you can slowly wash it away and mold love to grow in it. If you are afraid of additives in silicon for mold and mildew pick GE1 exterior silicon that doesn’t contain them.

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Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by om6acw

..... I think you’ll see that corner to start sagging and wall to ceiling separation in less then year and walls will develop cracks along side of drywall joins in 6 months or less. My assumptions are based on your pictures in this tread and improper materials and techniques used. ....

Since you brought up the point, and I don't detail everything in this thread (since this is not Drywall 101 Course).

For all Drywall Joints I'm using this SheetRoc Nylon Mold Free Tape with Mud (same as Mold Free Green Drywall)

FRONT AND BACK SIDE OF DRYWALL (which is more than normal)

And along Drywall Join places (verticle near vibrating Tank Stand)

Wooden re-enforcement on back side (Not 2x4 since I want less thickness), but away from Tank (no touching Stand). Sealed with Flexible Silicone.

And as I mentioned/showed earlier in thread (I think). I put in Steel Stud Vertially at that Hanging Corner (to Main House Beam, with Impact Nails thru the beam All around SUMP ROOM too).

Good enough for a couple of years? (I hope)

om6acw · 02/22/2018, 02:20 PM

You don’t want to attach anything that vibrates to drywall you are effectively creating speaker with source of vibration being coil and drywall being membrane of the speaker, it will also intensify the hum noise.

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Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 02:34 PM

Good point.
I did consider leaving a gap between Drywall Stand and Walls, but wanted seamless.

If it turns out too noisy, I cut a line around stand drywall and got with a seam, and try to make it invisible, with some kind of foam filler (like Paintable Chalking). Should I still do that?

Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by om6acw

Green drywall and tape is big scam manufacturers and sales people are pushing it on people, it is same drywall just with different color paper that is treated with chemicals to prevent mold growth, they are meant to be used in bathrooms where they will be covered with other 100% waterproof materials where occasional condensation on it would dry before mold can develop but if moisture get on it inside the wall it will develop mold growth. If you truly want to have water resistant and mold resistant wall section there, you should use cement board or fiberboard like DensArmor also for taping use fiber mash and hot mud (quick setting) and after painting install FRP over it 16” higher and 24” to the sides you want to protect and seal edges with high quality 50-60year silicone, don’t use that Alex caulk if water gets on it is wild soften it up and you can slowly wash it away and mold love to grow in it. If you are afraid of additives in silicon for mold and mildew pick GE1 exterior silicon that doesn’t contain them.
Yes I did consider cement board, but this isn't a bathroom shower.
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I guess I got scammed on the Green Drywall. But whole project was 3 sheets so no big deal.

I did consider Cement board. Appeared to be thin. Heavy, and this isn't a shower.

In Past for Kitchen sink I used Wonderboard (high density), but finish wasn't ideal lto match exisiting drywall above tank.

I was thinking of spraying inside (sump Room) drywall and Studs with Rubber Spray Paint Stuff (kind you use to rubberize tool handles with) but I'll be using wood panels for covers, and a good latex paint.

BOY....I think we have NOW GONE OFF TOPIC (a bit)
I do appreciate you input.

om6acw · 02/22/2018, 02:43 PM

I would cut 1/2” around and fill the void with material cut from gray insulation pipe noodles and cover it with TopGun 400 caulk that can be painted.

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Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 06:48 PM

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I would cut 1/2” around and fill the void with material cut from gray insulation pipe noodles and cover it with TopGun 400 caulk that can be painted.

Thanks. Exactly what are Gray Insulation Pipe Noodles? The Wraps for condensation? I think I have one lying around. Energy guys were going door to door and giving them out for free. Water Conservation Shower heads too (Awful for water pressure in shower)

Something that I can do later, since I really want to get to the other side of the Wall on this project.

om6acw · 02/22/2018, 06:53 PM

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Thanks. Exactly what are Gray Insulation Pipe Noodles?

One of this guys

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Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 06:56 PM

MORE Drywall MUD DELAY (Thing to do anyway) Access Door.

I learned a lesson. Never MUD when you don't have enough. Skimping just doesn't work, and delays things another drying.

That Far wall now needed a bigger coat. Tank Area wall is done.

While waiting to dry I did the ACCESS DOOR (Multi Purpose),
but mainly so I can swing the Magnet Glass Cleaner around the one corner.
(I always had to tape one magnet on the Office Side and then Drop in the Magnet into Tank to clean Office Glass.

THE ACCESS PANEL isn't Perfect, but at least I figured out how to do it.
Will cut a better piece later. (or maybe Never) since it will be behind my Desk Monitor anyway.

NEXT......I Stain and Seal the Trim so it can be installed.

Wally.B · 02/22/2018, 09:00 PM

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Interesting idea but I think I like the cleanness of no trim.
The desk is big and dark. Extending the dark wood beyond the desk with the trim will be distracting imo...

Hmmm. I'm holding off on any Trim Staining.

I painted the right side wall and bottom since Drywall is ready.

A startling transformation happened when the Green Drywall disappeared. Looks really slick.

Maybe Matching Trim Color to Wall might be better.

I have to wait till the everything is painted around tank to see.

Benar · 02/23/2018, 02:11 AM

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Pipe noodles

. I’m a plumber, might have to start using that term instead of calling it lagging.

I also wouldn’t worry about sagging/cracking for your purposes Wally.

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Wally.B · 02/23/2018, 10:21 AM

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Pipe noodles

. I’m a plumber, might have to start using that term instead of calling it lagging.

I also wouldn’t worry about sagging/cracking for your purposes Wally.

Cool. I have a plumber participating.
I could have used you when water was coming out of ceiling at 2am last October and I shut off the house Main Water Shutoff, and the shutoff started leaking.
I had to use a funnel and some fish tank hosing to run the 2nd leak to the basement floor drain since a puddle was spreading near the shut off.
I called the City to shut off the street valve...but before they cam
I learned that the NUT on the Shutoff Valve twisted open and was the cause of the Shutoff leak.
A simple tightening stopped it.

Wally.B · 02/23/2018, 10:26 AM

COMING TO AN END (Final Push) OFFICE MOVED OUT

So I'm getting excited as the last wall section dries.

I moved out everything out of office (except Desk) across to the finished flooring area.

Once I Sand and paint I can finish flooring up and around fish tank.

The tank keeps looking smaller and smaller the more I enclose it (at least on Office side)

Really really close to the end of this phase of the project.

reefmutt · 02/23/2018, 11:03 AM

Almost there, Wally!
Keep it up!

Wally.B · 02/23/2018, 11:42 AM

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Almost there, Wally!
Keep it up!

Yup.

Matt, start rolling up your sleeves, your assistance will be needed shortly.
You had your tank leak and got thing restarted somehow after fix.

I need to start crafting a plan/ideas how to Start the New tank.
Just dump water from 65 into 110 and top up on same sump?
All new Water with just Rocks and Bio Material in Sump?

Bit soon, but fish are getting impatient. So am I.

Wally.B · 02/23/2018, 02:20 PM

GIZMO TIME (Speed things up)

I think "Impatience or Quest-For-Easier" got mankind to invent tools.

I'm both right now.

SPEEDING UP THE MUD DRYING

Gizmo to make Cutting WPC at STRAIGHT cuts Better than Square Rulers (without Wiggle, or slips)

Wally.B · 02/24/2018, 01:04 PM

MAN CAVE TIME !!! (( Office/RecRoom Installation Complete )) Time Lapse of Last Stage

Yup. The Tank is done on the Office Side.

I will leave Trim Decision after I move back desk.
Not at all sure what Kind of Trim. Tank Looks a Bit Bleak the way it is now.
Need a bit of contrasting Trim. Maybe Fish and Corals. Not sure.

Not Much revealing in Photo Above since I made a TimeLapse Movie of last hours of installation.

Did this for Wife and Kids since they would only pop in for a second, and don't appreciate all the Steps and Hard work.

I actually had all 3 kids install a WPC Flooring Piece each to understand the efforts. They were briefly interested but ran away as soon as I let them.

HERE IS THE TIME LAPSE VIDEO (Little choppy) NO MUSIC.

YOU TUBE VIDEO HERE (12 Hours OF WORK compressed into 1 minute 20 Seconds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEY...ature=youtu.be

At the END OF THIS WHOLE Project, I'll make a A-Z installation video.

TIME TO TACKLE THE MAN CAVE (Sump Room) after I put back the office/desk.

THE REAL FUN is about to begin.

FINALLY!!!!

Wally

reefmutt · 02/24/2018, 01:47 PM

Wow, Wally, you just made it look so quick and easy!

Wally.B · 02/24/2018, 02:09 PM

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Wow, Wally, you just made it look so quick and easy!

Matt, if you are talking about the WPC Flooring Install, it can be quick and easy.
Great Knife Score, Snap and Click Install Technology.

But since I am a perfectionist, I spent a lot more time on the Artistic side.

Selecting Plank Print Patterns so that no two rows are columns every repeat.
I even went further to ensure Wood Knots Prints wouldn't bunch up.
Sometime picking my next piece would take 5 minutes since I would look many columns and rows across.

Also I did very random variable width Length cuts to staged the tiles. So that a Straight (Seam) wouldn't appears across the room. Only every other column seam lined up (Less waste on Material) but the Staggered Neighbour seams throw your eyes off.

Sure nobody would notice this, or maybe they would.

To me, I'm very proud or the Artesian laid out Floor pattern.

reefmutt · 02/24/2018, 02:25 PM

I’m talking about the whole project. Looks like a snap.

tenurepro · 02/24/2018, 04:35 PM

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Wally.B · 02/24/2018, 11:43 PM

test

Wally.B · 02/24/2018, 11:43 PM

MAN CAVE Central Command (Office Setup Restored) Tank Trim Option

I never would have guess in a Million Years on this possible Trim Color.

BLACK seems to fit. (I just put Black Electrical Tape around the Wood Color Stand Bottom for a try)

I still need to see what things look like when Tank is Up and Running (at lit up).

Matt maybe this is what you meant when you said Just End in Drywall Color.
However there still is a issue with the Lower Water Line Cover up.

BTW. The View from my sitting working area is amazing!! (With the Flush Glass-TO-Wall)

Wally.B · 02/25/2018, 03:54 AM

FINISH UP (Rec Room/Office) Pre-Build Thread (Part 1) is OVER.

I pushed myself to Finish the Rec-Room.
Want to Enjoy a Sunday of R&R since Sump Room is another Big Effort Project looming.

Just Shoved everything (Tools/Materials, Garbage) out and into the Unfinished Hallway.

Brought in stuff from Storage Area near Sump room since which was crammed packed.
I haven't done a Water Change (in both tanks) since Early November since no room over there.

And completed the Rec Room.

THE END

See you all in the Next (Sump Room Thread)..Which I will post link here when I start.

reefmutt · 02/25/2018, 07:47 AM

Awesome job, Wally!
Really looks fantastic!!

02/23/2018, 11:03 AM	#389
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Almost there, Wally! Keep it up! __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

02/24/2018, 01:47 PM	#393
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Wow, Wally, you just made it look so quick and easy! __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

02/24/2018, 02:25 PM	#395
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	I’m talking about the whole project. Looks like a snap. __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

02/24/2018, 11:43 PM	#398
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	MAN CAVE Central Command (Office Setup Restored) Tank Trim Option I never would have guess in a Million Years on this possible Trim Color. BLACK seems to fit. (I just put Black Electrical Tape around the Wood Color Stand Bottom for a try) I still need to see what things look like when Tank is Up and Running (at lit up). Matt maybe this is what you meant when you said Just End in Drywall Color. However there still is a issue with the Lower Water Line Cover up. BTW. The View from my sitting working area is amazing!! (With the Flush Glass-TO-Wall) Last edited by Wally.B; 02/24/2018 at 11:51 PM.

02/25/2018, 07:47 AM	#400
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Awesome job, Wally! Really looks fantastic!! __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

02/22/2018, 02:02 PM	#376
om6acw Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 16	Green drywall and tape is big scam manufacturers and sales people are pushing it on people, it is same drywall just with different color paper that is treated with chemicals to prevent mold growth, they are meant to be used in bathrooms where they will be covered with other 100% waterproof materials where occasional condensation on it would dry before mold can develop but if moisture get on it inside the wall it will develop mold growth. If you truly want to have water resistant and mold resistant wall section there, you should use cement board or fiberboard like DensArmor also for taping use fiber mash and hot mud (quick setting) and after painting install FRP over it 16” higher and 24” to the sides you want to protect and seal edges with high quality 50-60year silicone, don’t use that Alex caulk if water gets on it is wild soften it up and you can slowly wash it away and mold love to grow in it. If you are afraid of additives in silicon for mold and mildew pick GE1 exterior silicon that doesn’t contain them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/22/2018, 02:20 PM	#378
om6acw Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 16	You don’t want to attach anything that vibrates to drywall you are effectively creating speaker with source of vibration being coil and drywall being membrane of the speaker, it will also intensify the hum noise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/22/2018, 02:34 PM	#379
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	Good point. I did consider leaving a gap between Drywall Stand and Walls, but wanted seamless. If it turns out too noisy, I cut a line around stand drywall and got with a seam, and try to make it invisible, with some kind of foam filler (like Paintable Chalking). Should I still do that?

02/22/2018, 02:43 PM	#381
om6acw Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 16	I would cut 1/2” around and fill the void with material cut from gray insulation pipe noodles and cover it with TopGun 400 caulk that can be painted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/22/2018, 06:56 PM	#384
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	MORE Drywall MUD DELAY (Thing to do anyway) Access Door. I learned a lesson. Never MUD when you don't have enough. Skimping just doesn't work, and delays things another drying. That Far wall now needed a bigger coat. Tank Area wall is done. While waiting to dry I did the ACCESS DOOR (Multi Purpose), but mainly so I can swing the Magnet Glass Cleaner around the one corner. (I always had to tape one magnet on the Office Side and then Drop in the Magnet into Tank to clean Office Glass. THE ACCESS PANEL isn't Perfect, but at least I figured out how to do it. Will cut a better piece later. (or maybe Never) since it will be behind my Desk Monitor anyway. NEXT......I Stain and Seal the Trim so it can be installed.

02/23/2018, 10:26 AM	#388
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	COMING TO AN END (Final Push) OFFICE MOVED OUT So I'm getting excited as the last wall section dries. I moved out everything out of office (except Desk) across to the finished flooring area. Once I Sand and paint I can finish flooring up and around fish tank. The tank keeps looking smaller and smaller the more I enclose it (at least on Office side) Really really close to the end of this phase of the project.

02/23/2018, 02:20 PM	#391
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	GIZMO TIME (Speed things up) I think "Impatience or Quest-For-Easier" got mankind to invent tools. I'm both right now. SPEEDING UP THE MUD DRYING Gizmo to make Cutting WPC at STRAIGHT cuts Better than Square Rulers (without Wiggle, or slips)

02/24/2018, 01:04 PM	#392
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	MAN CAVE TIME !!! (( Office/RecRoom Installation Complete )) Time Lapse of Last Stage Yup. The Tank is done on the Office Side. I will leave Trim Decision after I move back desk. Not at all sure what Kind of Trim. Tank Looks a Bit Bleak the way it is now. Need a bit of contrasting Trim. Maybe Fish and Corals. Not sure. Not Much revealing in Photo Above since I made a TimeLapse Movie of last hours of installation. Did this for Wife and Kids since they would only pop in for a second, and don't appreciate all the Steps and Hard work. I actually had all 3 kids install a WPC Flooring Piece each to understand the efforts. They were briefly interested but ran away as soon as I let them. HERE IS THE TIME LAPSE VIDEO (Little choppy) NO MUSIC. YOU TUBE VIDEO HERE (12 Hours OF WORK compressed into 1 minute 20 Seconds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEY...ature=youtu.be At the END OF THIS WHOLE Project, I'll make a A-Z installation video. TIME TO TACKLE THE MAN CAVE (Sump Room) after I put back the office/desk. THE REAL FUN is about to begin. FINALLY!!!! Wally

02/24/2018, 04:35 PM	#396
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Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	test

02/25/2018, 03:54 AM	#399
Wally.B Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Toronto GTA,Canada Posts: 1,763	FINISH UP (Rec Room/Office) Pre-Build Thread (Part 1) is OVER. I pushed myself to Finish the Rec-Room. Want to Enjoy a Sunday of R&R since Sump Room is another Big Effort Project looming. Just Shoved everything (Tools/Materials, Garbage) out and into the Unfinished Hallway. Brought in stuff from Storage Area near Sump room since which was crammed packed. I haven't done a Water Change (in both tanks) since Early November since no room over there. And completed the Rec Room. THE END See you all in the Next (Sump Room Thread)..Which I will post link here when I start.