Herbie question

fltekdiver · 07/11/2018, 07:26 PM

On the emergency drain, could I use a bulkhead that a hose connect's to and just drop the hose into the sump instead of hard plumbing the emergency drain ?

lapin · 07/11/2018, 07:37 PM

Yes. Make sure the hose is big enough to handle the flow. Once water gets into the bulkhead, hard or soft plumbing will work. From GMA reef :" The emergency line is usually also submerged to limit any sound from splashing from running a trickle. This outlet should also be submerged to a depth of by 1″ or less.(your hose) If the main valve siphon gets blocked, the emergency pipe will take on the extra water. If the e-drain needs to go full-siphon, you don’t want to impede that by submerging the outlet down too far because that is where air is purged."

mcgyvr · 07/12/2018, 04:48 AM

Sure.. you can use "hose"... (more typically called "tubing" for what you are referring to I believe) on any of the plumbing in a tank..
Note that typically tubing is more of a restriction than the equivalent pipe because the barb fitting necks down so that tubing can go over it.

You can also use "spa flex" hose which is basically flexible PVC..It glues into the same fittings as PVC pipe and allows some "flexibility"

fltekdiver · 07/12/2018, 04:58 AM

OK thank you I appreciate it. I have some extra 1" black vinyl tubing left over from my return pump line that I used. It will make it easier to plumb rather the hard plumbing with a coupler etc

Thank you

Vinny Kreyling · 07/12/2018, 07:46 AM

Typically the emergency hose should be able to "make noise" so you know there is something wrong, try not to submerge it.

mcgyvr · 07/12/2018, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny Kreyling

Typically the emergency hose should be able to "make noise" so you know there is something wrong, try not to submerge it.

That would apply to a "dry" emergency like on a bean setup..
On a herbie the "emergency" has water flowing in it at all times and keeping it elevated will just make noise ALL the time..
Water flowing in that emergency pipe in a herbie doesn't mean something is "Wrong"..

Vinny Kreyling · 07/12/2018, 08:21 AM

Sorry Boss, thinking "Bean Drain"

mcgyvr · 07/12/2018, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny Kreyling

Sorry Boss, thinking "Bean Drain"

Nothing wrong with thinking of the best..

I wouldn't build a tank without one.. even if given a tank with 2 holes its either going to be modded or trashed in favor of a bean setup.

fltekdiver · 07/12/2018, 12:45 PM

I have a 1" and 3/4" drains in.the corner weir.
Tank is a 65 gallon

I'll be using the 3/4" for the main siphon with a spears gate valve, and the 1" for the emergency

The return line is 1" black vinyl tubing that will go up over the back of the tank

mcgyvr · 07/12/2018, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fltekdiver

I have a 1" and 3/4" drains in.the corner weir.
Tank is a 65 gallon

I'll be using the 3/4" for the main siphon with a spears gate valve, and the 1" for the emergency

The return line is 1" black vinyl tubing that will go up over the back of the tank

Sounds like a plan...

07/11/2018, 07:26 PM	#1
fltekdiver Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,533	Herbie question On the emergency drain, could I use a bulkhead that a hose connect's to and just drop the hose into the sump instead of hard plumbing the emergency drain ? __________________ RedSea Reefer 350 ,Apex Controller ,2x Hydra 26HD lights Reef Octopus eSsence S-130 Protein Skimmer Reef Octopus VarioS return pump , UV sterilizer Ice Cap 3K Gyre - Started up 8/13/19

07/11/2018, 07:37 PM	#2
lapin Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Austin Posts: 801	Yes. Make sure the hose is big enough to handle the flow. Once water gets into the bulkhead, hard or soft plumbing will work. From GMA reef :" The emergency line is usually also submerged to limit any sound from splashing from running a trickle. This outlet should also be submerged to a depth of by 1″ or less.(your hose) If the main valve siphon gets blocked, the emergency pipe will take on the extra water. If the e-drain needs to go full-siphon, you don’t want to impede that by submerging the outlet down too far because that is where air is purged." __________________ Tank sizes, 2-10's a 55 and one that's about 500gal Current Tank Info: Interior decorating happening

07/12/2018, 04:48 AM	#3
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Sure.. you can use "hose"... (more typically called "tubing" for what you are referring to I believe) on any of the plumbing in a tank.. Note that typically tubing is more of a restriction than the equivalent pipe because the barb fitting necks down so that tubing can go over it. You can also use "spa flex" hose which is basically flexible PVC..It glues into the same fittings as PVC pipe and allows some "flexibility" __________________ Who me?

07/12/2018, 04:58 AM	#4
fltekdiver Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,533	OK thank you I appreciate it. I have some extra 1" black vinyl tubing left over from my return pump line that I used. It will make it easier to plumb rather the hard plumbing with a coupler etc Thank you __________________ RedSea Reefer 350 ,Apex Controller ,2x Hydra 26HD lights Reef Octopus eSsence S-130 Protein Skimmer Reef Octopus VarioS return pump , UV sterilizer Ice Cap 3K Gyre - Started up 8/13/19

07/12/2018, 07:46 AM	#5
Vinny Kreyling Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 7,206	Typically the emergency hose should be able to "make noise" so you know there is something wrong, try not to submerge it. __________________ 250 gallon mixed reef, 2 Reefbreeder's Photon V 2, Deepwater BLDC 12, DAS EX-3 Skimmer, MTC mini cal, 2-3/4" Sea Swirls, Aquacontroller & 6 Tunze pumps.

07/12/2018, 08:21 AM	#7
Vinny Kreyling Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 7,206	Sorry Boss, thinking "Bean Drain" __________________ 250 gallon mixed reef, 2 Reefbreeder's Photon V 2, Deepwater BLDC 12, DAS EX-3 Skimmer, MTC mini cal, 2-3/4" Sea Swirls, Aquacontroller & 6 Tunze pumps.

07/12/2018, 12:45 PM	#9
fltekdiver Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,533	I have a 1" and 3/4" drains in.the corner weir. Tank is a 65 gallon I'll be using the 3/4" for the main siphon with a spears gate valve, and the 1" for the emergency The return line is 1" black vinyl tubing that will go up over the back of the tank __________________ RedSea Reefer 350 ,Apex Controller ,2x Hydra 26HD lights Reef Octopus eSsence S-130 Protein Skimmer Reef Octopus VarioS return pump , UV sterilizer Ice Cap 3K Gyre - Started up 8/13/19