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I was at the LFS and they had a male Hoevens Wrasse (Halichoeres melanurus). I was wondering the protocol as far as wrasses go to the number 'allowed'. If I wanted to get multiple wrasses, should I get males of the different species? Such as 1 Hoeven's, 1 McCosker's flasher, 1 Carpenter's flasher or should having a pair of male and female be better?
I'll have a 90g with 2 clowns, lawnmower blenny, and foxface, 2 skunk and 2 peppermint shrimps. Eventually adding a couple compatible wrasses, flame angel, mandarin and possibly a kole or Caribbean tang. Also, are there any issues with the Hoeven's and the shrimps? I know I may lose a few snails and hermits from the CUC, but I don't want to lose the shrimps. Thanks. |
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I'm trying to decide what other stock options i have for my seventyfive gallon.
Currently Live: CuC Cleaner Shrimp Pistol Shrimp Watchman Goby Kole Tang I'm not sure of what else to add. It's is a peaceful fowlr that maybe transformed into a reef later this summer. All i know i want to add now is a pair of clowns, but i haven't decided on the exact type. I really don't want any more gobies or blennies, because you don't really get to see them and enjoy them at all it seems. Anyways i need some suggestions on what to add, any feedback is very appreciated. Thanks ! |
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in the begining stages of a 90g build. intended list
perc clowns pair chromis orange line 5 bangaii cardinals at least 2 scotts fairy wrasse 1 gobies and blennies not sure which suggestions plan to keep some corals mainly softies maybe lps. would like to do a powder brown tang also?? tank is 48''lx24''hx18''d |
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Tank size: 122 x 35 x 45cm (LxWxH)
15-20kg live rock, 15kg sand 20 gallon sump refugium /w Protein Skimmer. I'm currently setting up a 50 gallon reef tank and I'm thinking of having this fishes listed below: 1 Blue tang, 3 anthias, 1 wrasse, 1or2 Purple Firefish, 2 clowns & a bicolor dottyback. |
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Tank Size: 75g 48x18x20 inches
75 lbs of rock, 15 lbs of sand 40g sump with protein skimmer (Super Reef Octopus XP2000) and fuge with Chaeto Looking at these fishes and adding this order 2 Ocellaris Clowns 2 Engineer Goby 1 Halichoeres Melanurus Wrasse 1 Kole Tang If tank is stable enough after a while, maybe try for 3-4 anthias (dispar, lyretail, or respendeds) |
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04/25/2011, 11:44 AM | #3862 |
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My new saltwater wonder!
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130 lbs of aragonite sand 20 lbs of live sand plenum made with pvc pipe and 2 screens placed at bottom 75 lbs of reef saver eco dry aquarium live rock 2 Koralia evolution circulation pumps 750 and 1050 2 aquatech power filters with combined gph of 660 1 hang on thermometer The following fish are in my tank: 1 powder brown tang 1 coral beauty angel 1 picasso triggerfish (my favorite) 2 engineer gobies that I rarely see 2 blue tail damsels and1 black striped damsel 1 mandarin gobie 1 supposedly rare black fin damsel 2 green emarld crabs 5 assorted crabs To date I have only lost one fish-a small black white damsel Evidently I did a good job of aquascaping. These fish have found more places to hide, sneak through and littles holes, crevices thatn I would ever have imagined. My only problem is they stay to the back of the tank behind someof the rock formations and odn't really swim in the front areas. Although the triggerfish has started going to the top for food. Can I add more fish. If so what would you recommend? |
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Snorvich, do you know what the 'peak season' is for female wrasses? It appears LA and BlueZoo have very few female wrasse fish. Wondering if I'll have to wait a month or 6 before I can get a harem of wrasses.
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snorvich why does fosters and smith have the scotts fairy wrasse listed as peaceful? i have read through the tang requirements just thought i would ask to make sure. ha. i like the cardinals and am going to look for a pair along with the clowns. as for the chromis i wanted a type of peaceful schooling fish. recomendations and also include a number i could keep if you would? i did read above or previously in this thread that most schooling fish dont school when kept in aquaria, correct?
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Since this issue comes up so frequently on Reef Central, some additional information might be useful. An aggregation of fish is the general term for any collection of fish that have gathered together in some locality. Fish aggregations can be structured or unstructured. An unstructured aggregation might be a group of mixed species and sizes that have gathered randomly near some local resource, such as food or nesting sites.
If, in addition, the aggregation comes together in an interactive, social way, they are said to be shoaling. Although shoaling fish can relate to each other in a loose way, with each fish swimming and foraging somewhat independently, they are nonetheless aware of the other members of the group as shown by the way they adjust behavior such as swimming, so as to remain close to the other fish in the group. Shoaling groups can include fish of disparate sizes and can including mixed-species subgroups. If, as a further addition, the shoal becomes more tightly organized, with the fish synchronizing their swimming so they all move at the same speed and in the same direction, then the fish are said to be schooling. Schooling fish are usually of the same species and the same age/size. Fish schools move with the individual members precisely spaced from each other. The schools undertake complicated maneuvers, as though the schools as a whole have minds of their own. Shoaling is a special case of aggregating, and schooling is a special case of shoaling. While schooling and shoaling mean different things within biology, they are often treated as synonyms by non-specialists, with speakers of British English tending to use "shoaling" to describe any grouping of fish, while speakers of American English tend to use "schooling" just as loosely.[1] The intricacies of schooling are far from fully understood, especially the swimming and feeding energetics. Many hypotheses to explain the function of schooling have been suggested, such as better orientation, synchronized hunting, predator confusion and reduced risk of being found. Schooling also has disadvantages, such as excretion buildup in the breathing media and oxygen and food depletion. The way the fish array in the school probably gives energy saving advantages, though this is controversial. Fish can be obligate or facultative shoalers. Obligate shoalers, such as tunas, herrings and anchovy, spend all of their time shoaling or schooling, and become agitated if separated from the group. Facultative shoalers, such as Atlantic cod, saiths and some carangids, shoal only some of the time, perhaps for reproductive purposes. Shoaling fish can shift into a disciplined and coordinated school, then shift back to an amorphous shoal within seconds. Such shifts are triggered by changes of activity from feeding, resting, traveling or avoiding predators.
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70 Gallon Display (36" W x 18" D x 25" T)
29 Gallon Sump 6 T5s (3 x Actinics, 3 x 10k) 30 Pounds of Live Rock 50 Pounds of Base Rock Lot's of Zoanthids Small Frogspawn Small Xenia Current Stock List: 2 Oscellaris Clowns Desired Stock List: 2 Maroon or Clarkii Clowns Sailfin Blenny 2 Scarlet Skunk Cleaners Diamond Watchman Goby Wheeler's Shrimp Goby Red Banded Snapping Shrimp Carpet Anemone (S. Haddoni) I feel like this list is severely lacking in WOW factor however I am running out of tank space. Other options that I am looking at (I know I can't do all of these, probably just one): Dwarf Flame Angel Coral Beauty Angel Foxface Lo Emerald Crab (s) Porcelain Anemone Crab(s) I am open to suggestions. Thanks! |
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Understand the Xenia spreading.
Wasn't planning on "adding" the Maroons, was planning on replacing the Oscellaris however if the Carpet is too large for the tank - would keeping the Oscellaris and getting a BTA or LTA be a better option? I think H. Magnifica are the natural host for Oscellaris however they get HUGE - any other options for Oscellaris? I know I can't have the Flame and the Coral Beauty, I actually much prefer the look of the Dwarf Flame Angel. Updated Stock List: 2 Oscellaris Clowns BTA, LTA, or Magnifica Sailfin Blenny 2 Scarlet Skunk Cleaners Diamond Watchman Goby Wheeler's Shrimp Goby Red Banded Snapping Shrimp Dwarf Flame Angel 2 Porcelain Crabs Considering my tank size and water volume, am I reaching my stocking limit or do you think that I still have some space? Any thoughts on the Foxface or is that pushing it too far? On another note, I would like a fish that responds positively to being cleaned by the Skunk Cleaner shrimp - as of right now, the clowns shy away from them. If you can't tell from my stocking list, I am very interested in pairing and symbiotic relationships in the tank. |
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Looking for relationships on the reef starts with knowing the habitat of marine animals, knowing what they eat, and knowing about relationships that occur with other animals. In grade school biology, you may have heard of the term “symbiosis,” referring to a give-and-take relationship between two organisms. But, in fact, symbiosis refers to any number of different kinds of partnerships – some are mutually beneficial and some are not. Partnerships in which the host is harmed are termed “parasitic” and include diseases as well as mere symbiont exploitation until the host dies such as an isopod on a Squirrelfish or cryptocaryon irritans found commonly on aquarium fish. Nevertheless, in the tropical marine world, almost every creature lives in symbiosis with another in some way. It’s simply an easier way to live given the scarcity of resources and the competition for them. A symbiotic relationship can take on many forms, which are classified depending on how the creatures share their living space or use each other. Understanding what sorts of relationships may exist in the natural world between species will help you to better understand where to find photographic subjects and how to photograph them. The specialized defenses of certain species are often used by those that have little or none of their own, and is called inquilinism. A defenseless little reef fish such as the Bangaii cardinal would want to take advantage of the natural protection provided by a sea-urchin neighbor’s razor-sharp, and sometimes venomous, spines. Clownfish, having covered themselves in mucus that makes them invisible to their host anemone are able to dance among the battery of the anemone’s stinging cells without harm; other fish have adapted to a drifting life in the jellyfish’s armory of stinging cells or swim close to the nearly invincible barracuda or shark. Some animals like the Carrier Crab, are highly creative in locating their defenses. The urchin being carried by this crab would much prefer a solitary existence. Some creatures use others as camouflage. Decorator crabs snip pieces off of sponges and other nearby organisms and embed them into their shells, sometimes even carving the sponge into a cap that neatly fits on their carapace. Other crabs plant sea anemones onto their shells devising a built-in self-maintaining shield of stinging cells – or hold one in each claw, and like the boxer crab, and attempt to punch the offender with its borrowed battery. Scientists believe inquilinistic relationships merely evolved from creatures living in close proximity with one another. Endoecism refers to animals that live in the shelters created by their host, most typically burrows. Proximity is also a likely reason for such a relationship to grow over the millennia, combined with a frequent hunt for shelter by what eventually becomes the symbiont. The arrow goby is commonly found in the burrows of various invertebrates, favoring crab holes. The symbiont usually benefits the most in this relationship; however having a little visitor has its advantages. Should the goby find a chunk of food too large for it to handle, it will give it to the crab. The crab chops it up as it devours its free snack, allowing the goby to take a few shredded pieces back. Sometimes the live-in symbionts feed on the hosts’ waste products, earning their space as housekeepers. In the goby and blind shrimp relationship, the goby is unable to dig a burrow and the blind shrimp is unable to see potential predators. The two most obvious symbiotic relationships involve food associations (commensalism) and associations in which both host and symbiont benefit (mutualism). These two are very close, but in commensalism, the issue is only food and it’s usually only the symbiont that benefits directly. Many shrimp, crabs and copepods, for example, live on the surface of corals and other cnidarians, eating their mucus coating, dead skin or any adhering organic particles. The crustaceans usually cause no harm to their coral hosts – and may even pluck off an occasional parasite. Mutualism is the most well-known type of symbiosis, and is marked by an interdependence of host and symbiont. In most mutualistic relationships, one could not survive without the other, which makes these sorts of relationships among the most fascinating. Hermatypic (reef-building) corals and their algal symbionts, zooxanthellae, are a common example of such crucial interdependence. The zooxanthellae live inside the coral’s tissue, taking advantage of its waste products and transforming them into substances the coral can use to grow and maintain its calcium carbonate home. During times of high stress, such as prolonged high temperatures, the coral will eject zooxanthellae into the water column. Although the coral can live with a small amount of algal symbionts over short periods of time, a long absence of their usual population of symbionts spells certain death. Cleaning symbiosis is similar, but the symbionts don’t live within their hosts’ tissues. A large fish will literally pull into a “cleaning station,” which is nothing more than an area where cleaner shrimp and fish live. Like Indy 500 pit mechanics, the cleaners scramble from their crevasses and overhangs, picking off parasites (although not cryptocaryon irritans), algae, and detritus for the fish, while scoring an easy meal. Often times the fish signals it willingness to be cleaned by its sidewise positioning. Many reef species are relegated to settling on a surface before adulthood, where they remain and live out their life. But these “sessile” organisms can sometimes become mobile should they settle down on the right spot. When one animal uses another for transportation, the symbiotic relationship is called phoresis. Barnacles, for example, may settle on a crab carapace, snail shell, or on the back of a whale. The remainder of this article is about this type of relationship, a relationship I shall call the “hitchhiker relationship”. Perhaps the phoretic relationship most commonly thought of by divers is the remora. Coleman shrimp are normally found in pairs on the toxic sea urchin, Asthenosoma varium, also called a fire urchin, with the female being the larger of the two. Coleman shrimp move amongst the poisonous spines and pedicellaria without incurring harm but they usually clear an area of these obstructions where they perch. They make beautiful photographic subjects and are easy to photograph as they have every confidence that they are secure on their poisonous perch and do not move about as other shrimp often do. The Urchin Crab is another guest of the fire urchin often occurring on the same animal as the Coleman Shrimp. Whereas the Coleman Shrimp only lives on the fire urchin, Urchin crabs live in association with a variety of urchins. The last segment of its leg forms a hook to hold onto the spines of the sea urchin. It can be found singly or in pairs. Often found on the sea cucumber Actinopyga, the swimmer crab is commensally associated, receiving transportation and protection. It is often found with the Emperor Shrimp discussed below. While the swimmer crab benefits from the relationship, the sea cucumber does not. Emperor shrimp hitch rides on various partners; I have seen them on sea cucumbers of various species and nudibranchs of various species including Risbecia tryoni, Ceratosoma trilobatum, and Spanish Dancers. Their coloration varies according to the “transportation partner” they ride on, but I am uncertain if they are able to change coloration if they happen to change transportation. Not content merely to relax and enjoy the ride, they are constantly on the move, normally perched near the substrate looking for food to pass by; I guess this is the marine version of “meals on wheels”? In addition to providing the potential for sustenance, the noxious reputation of nudibranchs also provides some degree of protection since predators are reluctant to ingest them. But the relationship is really bi-directional as the shrimp keeps the nudibranch free from parasites. This information is from an article I wrote a while ago which included illustrative pictures that were not included with this on reef central. If you are going to use this for a school paper, best to rewrite a bit as the original article is copyrighted.
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