Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums. - Page 5

cwegescheide · 11/15/2006, 08:34 AM

Oh gimme a break.. These tanks arent any big deal!! I had to remove all of my mature vividly colored corals because they outgrew the tank. It was INSANE!! I replaced them with little dull colored frags because I felt sorry for my fish having little room to swim. Unfortunatley my dog ate all my pictures before I switched to little frags..

But take my word for it, it was REALLY impressive!!

Chris

benf · 11/15/2006, 09:06 AM

Amazing how close the corals are together without problems, and here i am freaking out cause i only have ~4"-5" of space between my SPS's. I guess i will quit worrying about it and let nature take its corse and frag when i have too. Problem is too too many nice corals out there and not enough room for them nor enough money for them.

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by benf
Amazing how close the corals are together without problems, and here i am freaking out cause i only have ~4"-5" of space between my SPS's. I guess i will quit worrying about it and let nature take its corse and frag when i have too. Problem is too too many nice corals out there and not enough room for them nor enough money for them.

they do grow into each other. you cannot place a SPS coral next to one immediately. One will kill the other instantly. Overtime, some corals learn to grow very close to each other including softies/LPS. Like you said, let nature takes it course.

benf · 11/15/2006, 09:54 AM

invincible569 how many of these tanks have you seen 1st hand?

What would be your best guess on on bulb K on some of these tanks. Reason i ask i am installing a 3rd 250mh on my 120 and trying to decide on my bulbs. I plan to try 14k, 10k, 14k second option is 10k, 20k, 10k, or 14k, 20k, 14k. I know its subjective, but i like the coloration of a lot of the tanks you have posted, not just these in this thread.

reefdood · 11/15/2006, 02:33 PM

I'm getting such a giant clue from ths thread.

TexasTodd · 11/15/2006, 04:13 PM

Oh yea? Houstonian?

Hey Edward, I think Tom means me. In San Antonio.

Although I appreciate the comment......it's not even close to ANY of these.

Todd

ik2vov · 11/15/2006, 04:32 PM

Hi invincible,
this tank isn't the one of Blureff (Donatello), this is Alexalbe's one (Alessandro Rossi). This is his new tank, he has 4 Diamond LA3 400W on this 200x60x60 cm tank.

Bye

Quote:

Originally posted by invincible569
blureff's tank. This guy is a good person!

2x400+4x54w t5 Sfiligoi Infinity with ACLS

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ik2vov
Hi invincible,
this tank isn't the one of Blureff (Donatello), this is Alexalbe's one (Alessandro Rossi). This is his new tank, he has 4 Diamond LA3 400W on this 200x60x60 cm tank.

Bye

Hey! Nice seeing you again! Sorry about that. Is the Italian way to run high intense light? I have seen that this a trend for the Italian tanks. Where's blureff? I miss talking to you guys.

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 07:46 PM

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 07:51 PM

Here are the HGH tanks from a while back.. not sure what they look like today. Would love to see updates on these.

Maurizio's tank which was just started HGH

cwegescheide · 11/15/2006, 07:53 PM

these tanks are just amazing.... I can't believe how colorful they are.

trueblackpercula · 11/15/2006, 07:56 PM

thats not human..............can someone ask them more about there lighting?
Michael

N-A-S-O · 11/15/2006, 09:14 PM

hey invincible can you elaborate on the hgh method or do you know were to find that info...anyone

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by naso345543
hey invincible can you elaborate on the hgh method or do you know were to find that info...anyone

Yes, there should be two old threads here discussing the use of HGH (somatropina). You dose, feed a ton of proteins, and watch your corals grow. The only part is that its illegal in the U.S. and very expensive. There is an old huge discussion here:

http://acquariofilia.sbinternet.it/v...er=asc&start=0

invincible569 · 11/15/2006, 10:00 PM

Here's the RC thread with tons of pics:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/printt...99&perpage=156

Quote 1
"The tank in the pictures above is run by a famous italian aquarist in Rome, Maurizio Manili.
The astonishing growht and color of the corals is mainly due to the method he has elaborated in the last 8 years. Some staghorn acropora branches are 1 inch wide
The tank is a modified-Berlin, intensive skimming, plenty of live rocks, bare bottom (a must!), higly illuminated (mainly by 400W Radiums, but with some integration), with high water circulation.
Water parameters are: Ca 500, Mg 1500, KH 14-16, pH 8.2-8.4, nutrients below detection limits (PO4 always below 0.01 ppm).
The high growth rate is due to the careful use of food, amminoacid solutions, and a particular hormone. Color is obtained tru high light intensity, food, and use of some trace elements (I, F)
The tank has very frequent sexual spawning of corals and clams (also corals not older than a few months) and the application of his method led to frequent spawnings also in other tanks."

Quote 2"
"we are talking about Growth Hormone (GH)- somatropin.
Maurizio Manili, just recently made public to the Italian reef community his almost 10-years experience in experimental use of this hormone.
In fact after the initial skepticism by some Italian reefers, many have now started to experiment his conduction method. Some had already started several months ago and are claming exceptional results.
However, the important points in his conduction method are several, not only the GH.
The baseline is the well known Berlin method, (much light, live rocks, bare tank bottom, oversized skimmer, etc.). In particular the water parameters must be absolutely kept around the values mentioned by italianreef!
We are all very happy that Maurizio has decided to share his experience with all the international reefkeeping community."

Mchava · 11/15/2006, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by invincible569
Danilo Ronchi's tank.. Love the wild stag growth!

do you have any more info on this thank. I realy like the way it looks.
Thanks
Mario

ik2vov · 11/16/2006, 04:05 AM

Hi Edward,

i don't have pics of Blureff's tank, i'll ask him for some pic to post.
Many italian reefer's use intense light, most use HQI 400W and others like me use 250W.
Before you were talking about the tank of a very good friend of mine, Aster. He uses 2x400W and 3x250W plus 4 Pl 24W blue on his tank 220x75x70cm.... he uses a "simple" classic system with tons of food, he owns an awesome tank.

Danilo Ronchi is another friend, till 3 mounts ago he was using 2x250W PFO like reflector, now he uses an ATI 8x54W T5 on a 120x50x50cm tank, also he uses only a "simple" system.

Bye

Quote:

Originally posted by invincible569
Hey! Nice seeing you again! Sorry about that. Is the Italian way to run high intense light? I have seen that this a trend for the Italian tanks. Where's blureff? I miss talking to you guys.

benf · 11/16/2006, 04:35 AM

It would seem then, that i am in the right direction by adding a 3rd 250mh to my 120gal!

invincible569 · 11/16/2006, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ik2vov
Hi Edward,

i don't have pics of Blureff's tank, i'll ask him for some pic to post.
Many italian reefer's use intense light, most use HQI 400W and others like me use 250W.
Before you were talking about the tank of a very good friend of mine, Aster. He uses 2x400W and 3x250W plus 4 Pl 24W blue on his tank 220x75x70cm.... he uses a "simple" classic system with tons of food, he owns an awesome tank.

Danilo Ronchi is another friend, till 3 mounts ago he was using 2x250W PFO like reflector, now he uses an ATI 8x54W T5 on a 120x50x50cm tank, also he uses only a "simple" system.

Bye

Thanks Gilberto. How old are most of these aquariums? Are we talking 2-4 yrs or 5 yrs plus?

Also, others have been asking about water flow. I have a good friend who lives close to me (fishcraze) who wants to understand if they are concerned about flow with such a packed aquarium.

Is the Italian secret to quick coral growth intense light and high water parameters?

ik2vov · 11/16/2006, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Thanks Gilberto. How old are most of these aquariums? Are we talking 2-4 yrs or 5 yrs plus?

Also, others have been asking about water flow. I have a good friend who lives close to me (fishcraze) who wants to understand if they are concerned about flow with such a packed aquarium.

Is the Italian secret to quick coral growth intense light and high water parameters?

The Aster's (Nando Masciadri) tank is 5 years old, the Danilo Ronchi one is 4 years old, the new one of Alessandro Rossi (Alexalbe) is 1 year old (if i'm correct), others are older.
I think there is no Italian secret, i think every SPS reefer is looking in a very important manner to water parameters and of course intense light help.
Intensive light means also high quantity of calcum and other elements that are requested from the corals to grow, in the same way we have to feed....
Water flow, we all use an intensive water flow, in Aster's tank you can see 4 Tunze (2x7400 and 2x6100), iin Danilo's tank if i remember correct there are 2 Tunze 6000, the others i dont' rembember.

Bye

TexasTodd · 11/16/2006, 06:36 AM

Edward, why is the hormone illegal in The U.S.?

So no way to get it?

Dosing "I and F" what's the "F"

Thanks,

Todd

Ocean Drive · 11/16/2006, 07:24 AM

Look this one

http://nuke.reefitalia.com/MagazineL...7/Default.aspx

invincible569 · 11/16/2006, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ocean Drive
Look this one

http://nuke.reefitalia.com/MagazineL...7/Default.aspx

Thanks Ocean Drive! I had pics of his tank and was going to upload it yesterday. What i noticed is that the pics you posted show insane growth to what I have. My pics are 2 yrs old.

Thanks for sharing! Definitely another mature SPS tank!

invincible569 · 11/16/2006, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ik2vov
The Aster's (Nando Masciadri) tank is 5 years old, the Danilo Ronchi one is 4 years old, the new one of Alessandro Rossi (Alexalbe) is 1 year old (if i'm correct), others are older.
I think there is no Italian secret, i think every SPS reefer is looking in a very important manner to water parameters and of course intense light help.
Intensive light means also high quantity of calcum and other elements that are requested from the corals to grow, in the same way we have to feed....
Water flow, we all use an intensive water flow, in Aster's tank you can see 4 Tunze (2x7400 and 2x6100), iin Danilo's tank if i remember correct there are 2 Tunze 6000, the others i dont' rembember.

Bye

Thanks Gilberto. This is the information my friend was looking for (flow). I will pass this on to him. Im glad to see the Italians show such a great success.

Are there any new methods that the Italians are trying now? I know ZEOvit was big then.. but any new fads today?

Ocean Drive · 11/16/2006, 08:01 AM

invicible, you're welcome

11/15/2006, 09:06 AM	#102
benf Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: wesley chapel, florida Posts: 4,031	Amazing how close the corals are together without problems, and here i am freaking out cause i only have ~4"-5" of space between my SPS's. I guess i will quit worrying about it and let nature take its corse and frag when i have too. Problem is too too many nice corals out there and not enough room for them nor enough money for them. __________________ Ben Current Tank Info: None :(

11/15/2006, 09:54 AM	#104
benf Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: wesley chapel, florida Posts: 4,031	invincible569 how many of these tanks have you seen 1st hand? What would be your best guess on on bulb K on some of these tanks. Reason i ask i am installing a 3rd 250mh on my 120 and trying to decide on my bulbs. I plan to try 14k, 10k, 14k second option is 10k, 20k, 10k, or 14k, 20k, 14k. I know its subjective, but i like the coloration of a lot of the tanks you have posted, not just these in this thread. __________________ Ben Current Tank Info: None :(

11/15/2006, 02:33 PM	#105
reefdood Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,553	I'm getting such a giant clue from ths thread. __________________ ~I am Fragholio!~ ~I need species for my fraghole!~ Current Tank Info: 30g drilled display with a 20g sump, modded CPR skimmer in sump, Mag7 return, 1/4 hp chiller, Ranco DS, 175w Hamilton, (3) 3' VHO, IC 660, (2) hacksawed MJ 900's on a Waveaster Pro, LED moonlights, and an inch of sand.

11/15/2006, 07:56 PM	#112
trueblackpercula Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: STATEN ISLAND Posts: 7,517	thats not human..............can someone ask them more about there lighting? Michael __________________ Life is to short to buy frags ! But for FREE I'LL take them ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> LIVE SAND ITS THE CURE........® Current Tank Info: 120 CUBE Live sand Mitras lx6100hv MRC MR 2 single becket MP40 power head Aquamedic dosing pump using B-ionic

11/15/2006, 09:14 PM	#113
N-A-S-O Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,973	hey invincible can you elaborate on the hgh method or do you know were to find that info...anyone __________________ Adopt the pace of nature, her secret is patience. Current Tank Info: 110g sps

11/15/2006, 08:34 AM	#101
cwegescheide YOU have been ignored! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 5,231	Oh gimme a break.. These tanks arent any big deal!! I had to remove all of my mature vividly colored corals because they outgrew the tank. It was INSANE!! I replaced them with little dull colored frags because I felt sorry for my fish having little room to swim. Unfortunatley my dog ate all my pictures before I switched to little frags.. But take my word for it, it was REALLY impressive!! Chris

11/15/2006, 04:13 PM	#106
TexasTodd Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 945	Oh yea? Houstonian? Hey Edward, I think Tom means me. In San Antonio. Although I appreciate the comment......it's not even close to ANY of these. Todd

11/15/2006, 07:46 PM	#109
invincible569 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,715

11/15/2006, 07:51 PM	#110
invincible569 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,715	Here are the HGH tanks from a while back.. not sure what they look like today. Would love to see updates on these. Maurizio's tank which was just started HGH

11/15/2006, 07:53 PM	#111
cwegescheide YOU have been ignored! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 5,231	these tanks are just amazing.... I can't believe how colorful they are.

11/15/2006, 10:00 PM	#115
invincible569 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,715	Here's the RC thread with tons of pics: http://reefcentral.com/forums/printt...99&perpage=156 Quote 1 "The tank in the pictures above is run by a famous italian aquarist in Rome, Maurizio Manili. The astonishing growht and color of the corals is mainly due to the method he has elaborated in the last 8 years. Some staghorn acropora branches are 1 inch wide The tank is a modified-Berlin, intensive skimming, plenty of live rocks, bare bottom (a must!), higly illuminated (mainly by 400W Radiums, but with some integration), with high water circulation. Water parameters are: Ca 500, Mg 1500, KH 14-16, pH 8.2-8.4, nutrients below detection limits (PO4 always below 0.01 ppm). The high growth rate is due to the careful use of food, amminoacid solutions, and a particular hormone. Color is obtained tru high light intensity, food, and use of some trace elements (I, F) The tank has very frequent sexual spawning of corals and clams (also corals not older than a few months) and the application of his method led to frequent spawnings also in other tanks." Quote 2" "we are talking about Growth Hormone (GH)- somatropin. Maurizio Manili, just recently made public to the Italian reef community his almost 10-years experience in experimental use of this hormone. In fact after the initial skepticism by some Italian reefers, many have now started to experiment his conduction method. Some had already started several months ago and are claming exceptional results. However, the important points in his conduction method are several, not only the GH. The baseline is the well known Berlin method, (much light, live rocks, bare tank bottom, oversized skimmer, etc.). In particular the water parameters must be absolutely kept around the values mentioned by italianreef! We are all very happy that Maurizio has decided to share his experience with all the international reefkeeping community."

11/16/2006, 04:35 AM	#118
benf Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: wesley chapel, florida Posts: 4,031	It would seem then, that i am in the right direction by adding a 3rd 250mh to my 120gal! __________________ Ben Current Tank Info: None :(

11/16/2006, 06:36 AM	#121
TexasTodd Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 945	Edward, why is the hormone illegal in The U.S.? So no way to get it? Dosing "I and F" what's the "F" Thanks, Todd

11/16/2006, 07:24 AM	#122
Ocean Drive Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 104	The Alberto's reef Look this one http://nuke.reefitalia.com/MagazineL...7/Default.aspx

11/16/2006, 08:01 AM	#125
Ocean Drive Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 104	invicible, you're welcome