Hawaii passes aquarium fish collection limits

[Deinonych]

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog...lection-limits

Will be interesting to see what species will be prohibited. I'm sure we'll see prices for Hawaiian fish going up. Glad I got my Kole Tang before this happened.

[alton]

How can you pass a bill and not know what is in it, or not know what it is going to affect? Sounds like a health care bill.

[Deinonych]

Seems to be par for the course in politics these days.

[Reeferhead]

This is well overdue legislation IMO. The bigger question is how well it will be implemented and enforced.

[NewOne81]

The list of newly prohibited fish should be interesting

[Fishfirst]

Originally Posted by Deinonych

Seems to be par for the course in politics these days.

unfortunately. It does not surprise me whatsoever.

[coralreefdoc]

Originally Posted by Reeferhead

This is well overdue legislation IMO. The bigger question is how well it will be implemented and enforced.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, most greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people on here will not ! These are the same people that kill half the animals they buy, just to turn around and buy more without any changes to the misinformed/unknowledgable/sloppy way they keep their aquarium(s) ...

Fortunately, those same lazy/self-centered/irresponsible idiots, who have all the necessary information to improve conditions for these organisms right in front of their clueless faces, won't have as much negative/ill effect on the Hawaiian Islands anymore ... I've always said, "You should have to obtain a strict, knowledge/experience/etc based permit in order to buy/keep saltwater fish/invertebrates/etc" ! There's too many fkn idiots out there killing these amazing, already threatened organisms at an alarming rate. Chances are, if you even have to think or make your usual weak/lame excuses about all the life you've lost/killed, you're likely one of those "idiots" for lack of a better censored word

[alton]

Originally Posted by coralreefdoc

Agreed.

Unfortunately, most greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people on here will not ! These are the same people that kill half the animals they buy, just to turn around and buy more without any changes to the misinformed/unknowledgable/sloppy way they keep their aquarium(s) ...

Fortunately, those same lazy/self-centered/irresponsible idiots, who have all the necessary information to improve conditions for these organisms right in front of their clueless faces, won't have as much negative/ill effect on the Hawaiian Islands anymore ... I've always said, "You should have to obtain a strict, knowledge/experience/etc based permit in order to buy/keep saltwater fish/invertebrates/etc" ! There's too many fkn idiots out there killing these amazing, already threatened organisms at an alarming rate. Chances are, if you even have to think or make your usual weak/lame excuses about all the life you've lost/killed, you're likely one of those "idiots" for lack of a better censored word

Really all I said is if you are going to come up with a law citizens should know what is in it? Sounds like they came up with a law to get people off there backs? People of Hawaii have all the rights to protect what is thiers, it just seems today we pass laws that make us feel good with no teeth, laws that are covering items that already on the books, or laws that extend beyond what they where intended for. I hope you don't have an aquarium because if you do are still contributing to the taking of fish from the ocean which some would deam as evil! If you want to conserve the collecting of fish in Hawaii to where it will last forever all you have to do is create a slot or limit the size of all fish collected like is done in Texas where the Redfish and Trout numbers are awesome.
The picture of all the dead yellow tangs that keeps coming up seems staged, I have never seen those large of tangs in any of my fish stores in 30+ years.

[KafudaFish]

Originally Posted by coralreefdoc

Agreed.

Unfortunately, most greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people on here will not ! These are the same people that kill half the animals they buy, just to turn around and buy more without any changes to the misinformed/unknowledgable/sloppy way they keep their aquarium(s) ...

Fortunately, those same lazy/self-centered/irresponsible idiots, who have all the necessary information to improve conditions for these organisms right in front of their clueless faces, won't have as much negative/ill effect on the Hawaiian Islands anymore ... I've always said, "You should have to obtain a strict, knowledge/experience/etc based permit in order to buy/keep saltwater fish/invertebrates/etc" ! There's too many fkn idiots out there killing these amazing, already threatened organisms at an alarming rate. Chances are, if you even have to think or make your usual weak/lame excuses about all the life you've lost/killed, you're likely one of those "idiots" for lack of a better censored word

Just curious but how would one gain that experience without actually keeping fish and inverts? By that logic you would have to have the experience before keeping those animals.

Also it must be nice to have immortal fish because every fish I have ever bought will die at some point. Sure it may take 10 years, but if it is a wild specimen the moment it is removed from the reef it is pretty much dead for that system.

[albano]

Originally Posted by coralreefdoc

Unfortunately, most greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people on here will not !
......
Blah, blah, blah...

Unfortunately, some greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people will try to show their 'superiority' ... Talk about clueless!!!!

What's really needed is a permit for 'better than you/know it alls'...





Yes, I have applied!

[rworegon]

Originally Posted by coralreefdoc

Agreed.

Unfortunately, most greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people on here will not ! These are the same people that kill half the animals they buy, just to turn around and buy more without any changes to the misinformed/unknowledgable/sloppy way they keep their aquarium(s) ...

Fortunately, those same lazy/self-centered/irresponsible idiots, who have all the necessary information to improve conditions for these organisms right in front of their clueless faces, won't have as much negative/ill effect on the Hawaiian Islands anymore ... I've always said, "You should have to obtain a strict, knowledge/experience/etc based permit in order to buy/keep saltwater fish/invertebrates/etc" ! There's too many fkn idiots out there killing these amazing, already threatened organisms at an alarming rate. Chances are, if you even have to think or make your usual weak/lame excuses about all the life you've lost/killed, you're likely one of those "idiots" for lack of a better censored word

Wow, I guess you started out as an expert fish guru. How arrogant.

[A Reef Scene]

It all depends on how it is enforced and what is on the list. If the fish are all ready threatened then its a good thing. The other side of the coin is that people put fish on the list with no data to back it up.

[Bratyboy2]

Originally Posted by albano

Unfortunately, some greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people will try to show their 'superiority' ... Talk about clueless!!!!

What's really needed is a permit for 'better than you/know it alls'...





Yes, I have applied!

I live for when threads come to this!
Ding ding! Round 1!

In all seriousness I apparently need to get my fish now that I know will be on that list! Off to make a few calls!

[jdhuyvetter]

Oh yeah, this thread is going down! Hopefully, coralreefdoc will tell us what he really thinks about all of "us" idiots!

IBTL

[albano]

Originally Posted by Bratyboy2

I live for when threads come to this!
Ding ding! Round 1!

It's already over... Judges gave me the win by VKO !
(Virtual Knock Out)

[Bratyboy2]

Originally Posted by albano

It's already over... Judges gave me the win by VKO !
(Virtual Knock Out)

Well its not over till we hear the rebuttal lol then we can determine if he is knowledgeable to not be one of "us idiots" then again I'm pretty sure he has already but I love ruffling some feathers

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[billsreef]

The actual rules they voted are on here. The "white" list is way down towards the bottom. From most of what I've seen of the process for this, it's based primarily on emotion and the idea that reducing the number of species collected will reduce the work load of the department...actual fisheries science appears to have little to nothing to do with it.

[Deinonych]

Thanks for posting that, Bill. There are some notable omissions from that whitelist, including the two native Rhinecanthus species as well as a couple of other triggerfish (O. niger, M. vidua), and some butterflyfish (C. lunula in particular). Maybe those species are not common to the areas specified in the document?

[jimlin]

im sure it wont affect all fishes from hawaii. looks to me like it will only be implemented on the big island. in the aquarium trade, we should be looking for ways to breed fish for aquarium use rather than collect from the wild anyways so this move makes sense and tank bred fish seems to do better in an aquarium in my opinion.

[alton]

Bill thanks for posting the rules/list which should of been included in the blog. Although I am against more government, I do agree with some of the rules.

[Deinonych]

Originally Posted by jimlin

im sure it wont affect all fishes from hawaii. looks to me like it will only be implemented on the big island. in the aquarium trade, we should be looking for ways to breed fish for aquarium use rather than collect from the wild anyways so this move makes sense and tank bred fish seems to do better in an aquarium in my opinion.

Agreed. I would love to see more tank-bred fish available.

[alton]

Originally Posted by Deinonych

Agreed. I would love to see more tank-bred fish available.

Incase you don't subscribe to Coral

http://www.reef2rainforest.com/2013/...list-for-2013/

The list is growing

[Da Maui life]

Originally Posted by albano

Unfortunately, some greedy/closed-minded/self-righteous people will try to show their 'superiority' ... Talk about clueless!!!!

What's really needed is a permit for 'better than you/know it alls'...





Yes, I have applied!

Permits and License are, already in place.

(DAR) the Division of Aquatic Resources issues various permits and licenses for fishing, selling aquatic life, and other activities involving aquatic resources.


Commercial Marine License are required for anyone to take marine life for commercial purpose. "selling aquatic life"


Aquarium Permit - required for any person to use fine mesh net for collecting aquatic life for an aquarium. Report required if commercial.

Aquaculture Dealer License - required for any dealer, retailer, wholesaler, or restaurant to resell requlated marine life faised in a licensed aquaculture facility

[Da Maui life]

Originally Posted by jimlin

im sure it wont affect all fishes from hawaii. looks to me like it will only be implemented on the big island. in the aquarium trade, we should be looking for ways to breed fish for aquarium use rather than collect from the wild anyways so this move makes sense and tank bred fish seems to do better in an aquarium in my opinion.

Hawaii's Kona side not island wide, this can affect the other seven island.