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05/08/2013, 09:26 AM | #26 |
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Mother of....
Super excited to follow this. Looks like a very rewarding journey will unfold.
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05/08/2013, 09:41 AM | #27 |
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Holy Crap.
Love the view of Austin.
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05/08/2013, 09:46 AM | #28 |
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Mother of all that is holy, this is gonna be intense lol subscribed! Good luck with everything, I can only imagine what it felt like watching that tank on the crane
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05/08/2013, 01:43 PM | #29 |
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The Fish Room, plan
The fish room is being implemented in phases.
Phase 1: enclose most of a garage car bay to create a 16' x 12' area. Move the old 750gal acrylic tank and use it during construction to house both its livestock and the livestock from our 205 reef. Relocate about 600lbs of live rock to rubbermaid buckets to make room in the 750. Phase 2: extend phase 1 with a 23' x 8' space directly under the new display tank. This room will house the sump, skimmer, reactors, and reservoirs for R/O and saltwater. Phase 3: tear out the 750, then populate that space with quarantine tanks, sink, lab desk, 12' wall of cabinetry for supplies. I have a few key requirements in mind for the fish room, mostly the result of lessons learned with our previous tanks: Now on to pictures... Plan view of fish room Early draft of room layout Some people use SketchUp equipment and plumbing layout. I prefer "CutUp" (TM). The plan shown here is a bit out of sync with my latest thinking. One slight disadvantage of CutUp is that it isn't quite as easy to back up your work, and I had a rather severe data loss incident in the form of a cat deciding to shred my work.
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Sorry, didn't make that very clear, did I? Yes, they are 7" diameter. 32" is the length.
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05/08/2013, 01:52 PM | #31 |
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Wow! was gonna say holy Cr@p but someone beat me to it!
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05/08/2013, 02:00 PM | #32 |
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Sweetness.
1. Careful with Starfire glass it can scratch too. Nothing like Acrylic, but if a big piece of frag brushes against Starfire it will leave a mark. 2. You know you have a real tank when it takes a 100 ton all terrain crane to install it !!! |
05/08/2013, 02:04 PM | #33 |
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Wow. Lovely pad and epic build. Just a tad jealous.
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05/08/2013, 02:42 PM | #34 | |
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Take two gated connections. A single inline pump, also. In between this place a smaller 5/10 gallon container. Set it up so that you can fill it with water from the Salt storage. This will give you a place, lower, that you can add the salt to water and then pump it back into the main storage container, in a higher concentration. So basically.. from the bottom have a return line headed UP to top, for recirculation works, with a T... hummm let me draw this. Make sense?? That way the inline pump will draw out the brine/salt mix and drump it in the top of the tank. To be fancy you can open the lower slightly to add water as the pump is running to prevent cavitation or running dry. This setup will also mix the water from the bottom to the top.
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05/08/2013, 03:37 PM | #35 |
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Fish room, plan meets reality
Phase 1 did not go as hoped.
Because moving the 750 was going to take multiple weeks due to logistical complications, I arranged for all of the livestock from the 750 to be temporarily housed with a local tank maintenance service. Unfortunately, the tank maintenance company had a power outage over one weekend and every vertebrate in the tank died except for a snowflake eel. I was crushed. None of the fish were especially rare but many had been with me through multiple tanks over 12+ years. Nothing to do but carry on, so we proceeded with moving the 750 into the new fish room, tearing down the 205 reef and moving its fish and rock into the 750. Meanwhile, the service guy keeping the rock and corals from the 750 got very busy (or was afraid to face me) and couldn't deliver my remaining snowflake eel and live rock for a few weeks. Then came the final, awful bit of this setback. For background, when engaging with the fish kennel service I was crystal clear that my fish and rock were to be kept completely separate from his, in separate tanks, no shared water. This he did as requested. What he didn't tell me was that after the big crash he moved our eel into one of his other tanks. 3 days after he delivered the eel and rock back to me, the fish from the 205 developed spots. Over the next 3 weeks every fish died except for a yellow tang and two chromis. At that time, I was still planning to re-use my live rock, so I needed to get the fish out of the 750 and let the rock lie fallow for 3 months. This takes us up to current state of the fish room. Fish Room Entrance I park right next to the entrance, so no excuses for not checking on things at least twice a day. The fish-less 750 4 pathetic survivors in a 90gal The only survivors from our fully stocked 750 and 205: 1 yellow tang, 2 chromis, and an eel. The four 75gal quarantine tanks will go on the left wall with the LED and pump drivers; all drivers and sloppy wiring will be removed. Water level in the tank intentionally low to keep the eel from talking a walk. Wall behind the 90gal will be removed to expose phase 2. Fish room phase 2 Phase 2 of the fish room is the lower level room with the 3 small windows. Display room is directly above on the middle level. Phase 1 of fish room is to the left of phase 2.
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05/08/2013, 03:50 PM | #36 |
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Sweet add on. Looks like you almost doubled your house. I never would have thought to take it out over the driveway like that. Must be some serious steel work in there.
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05/08/2013, 04:04 PM | #37 |
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Good lord!
Is that 4 floors in the building? 1 Floor completely dedicated to fish? The world is now watching you every step of the way. |
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1. Excellent point, rbarn. Our 205 was starphire and I did manage to put 3 significant scratches in it over its 15 year life. Mostly from over eager use of a metal algae scraper. Even still, the first impression on seeing the tank was that it was new and you had to make a point of looking for scratches; contrasted with the acrylic 750 that was half the age and looked like a war veteran. My plan for the new tank is to use only acrylic-safe algae pads and scrapers. My biggest worry for now is losing control of one of the taller aquascape pillars during install. 2. Yeah, I got a kick out of the crane. I was a huge Tonka fan as a kid. Crane counterweight The counterweight is 25,000 pounds and had to be delivered on a separate 18-wheeler flatbed. Crane footing Apparently even 18" square feet might punch through the asphalt of the street, so they bring 4' steel plates to further distribute the weight.
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Do you think I might need more like a 20gal mixer in order to be able to dump an entire bucket in one go? One concern I have about this approach is whether the flow pump would actually pull from the concentrate reservoir given that there is no flow-through, it's just sort of off to the side. Have you implemented or seen an install like this?
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By the power of Grayskull!!!
(Oops! Sorry, I fell off my chair for a moment, there.) Dave.M
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I've got a 275-tonner hitting the docks in Houston from Europe in 2 weeks if you want to buy one. lol ..... 155,000lbs of counterweight. Takes 4 trucks. Make you a hell of a deal. Only used by a grandmother on Sundays to move her oil drilling rig around. |
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YUP.. amazing, subscribed!
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05/08/2013, 05:25 PM | #43 |
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Wow Paul, amazing. Very sorry to hear about your mishaps. It's impossible to replace fish you've had for years and I applaud you for staying the course.
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I have seen this but in a feeding aspect. Put food into the bucket with tank water and turn it on to suck it into the piping. Same aspect, except you are just adding salt in to it. With the mixing station at this level you can do it multiple times by turning one valve and mixing the salt inside it. Once done all you do is flush it a few times. Or we can get you a electronic hoist to lift the bucket up.
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This build is gonna be amazing I'm excited to start my 75 gallon build but dang that's just one of your QTs haha... Amazing!
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05/08/2013, 05:43 PM | #46 |
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I like how your driveway actually goes underneath the house! That's really cool, but beautiful home and setups! Can't wait to see more looks like it progressing fast even with the setbacks and extreme renovation! Following along without a doubt!
Best of luck from Ohio!!! Joe.
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Amazing house my friend. I'm sure the tank will follow suit. Any idea on skimmer and water movement in the tank?
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05/08/2013, 06:34 PM | #48 |
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Oh heck yeah, only an hour away too. Hopefully, i will have a chance to see this tank in person someday.
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Tank peek
Got to see the tank again briefly yesterday when the cabinet maker came out to take measurements. For most of the past month it has been covered up either with:
Full crate for the rafter install or Foamboard padding during the drop ceiling install Tank shot It is filthy with sawdust, but so far unscathed, knock wood. Plumbing! The sum total of my plumbing thus far. Two valves to seal the closed loop bulkheads for the water test. Cross braces are beefy to say the least. These will complicate things for the cabinet maker. Radius corners More hassle for the cabinet maker. Finishing out these corners cleanly without throwing away an inch+ of viewing panel on each axis will be a challenge. Stand overhang Top of stand overhangs 6.5" all around to make room for a full-on soundproof exterior stud wall with double layers of 5/8" drywall and isolation clips. Same treatment up top for the canopy. Doors through the soundproof wall will be 4" thick solid core wood. All of this will be hidden under a cosmetic cabinetry layer. Overflow One detail got lost in my order with Waterdog: rails for holding an egg crate grill in front of the weir. I'll have to make my own and find an adhesive that is good for bonding PVC to FRP.
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