Uronema on this Nigripes

Overboard · 06/22/2019, 11:38 AM

What do you think. Hard to get a good picture. Reddish sore on her forehead. Developed over last two days and I don’t think it is an injury. She is in a QT.

Treatment suggestions? I have acriflavine, metroplex, Septra, Chloroquine phosphate and others. I have read some of the threads, but would appreciate input.

She is eating well and has no other signs of problems.

Thanks,
Mark

ThRoewer · 06/22/2019, 11:44 AM

Is this a new fish or one you had for a while?

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Overboard · 06/22/2019, 12:02 PM

Received it in the last week. Wild caught. Large female.

ThRoewer · 06/22/2019, 12:08 PM

Is this wound flat like a sore or deep as a cut or like something took a bite?

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Overboard · 06/22/2019, 12:17 PM

It appears as a wound. Fairly roundish. Reddish, but the fish is a red orange color anyway. On profile, the area is raised like a bump that was not there originally. Not a cut and nothing likely to bite it in the QT. Houses with a smaller male nigripes and a single flasher wrasse.

Fresh QT with seeded media, no meds yet, ammonia badge and I have been watching the water quality closely. No signs of anything on the male.

ThRoewer · 06/22/2019, 12:56 PM

It might be a good idea to treat against Uronema.
My first choice would be formalin baths, but if you are confident that your CP is good you may as well use that or any other medication that has shown to be effective against Uronema.

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Overboard · 06/22/2019, 01:08 PM

I do have formalin, but is is probably two years old. I cannot find any dates on the bottle. I would guess it is ok as it is been in a cool dark cabinet. I will do the formalin bath and the treat with CP (from Diamondback). hopefully that does it. Thanks for the help!!

MarinaP · 06/22/2019, 01:15 PM

Formalin is not usually used on fish with open wounds. I would stick with antibiotics for now

ThRoewer · 06/22/2019, 01:22 PM

As long as the formalin is stabilized with methanol and didn't get too cold (below 5°C I think) it should be fine and usable indefinitely.
If it has gotten too cold there should be precipitate (I think whitish) on the bottom of the container. If that is the case don't use it as it will have become highly toxic.

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Overboard · 06/22/2019, 01:30 PM

I have Formalin MS by FishVet. Only indicates one ingredient (formaldehyde) at 37%. It just been in a cabinet in our house so no extreme temperatures.

hottuna · 06/22/2019, 02:05 PM

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Overboard · 06/22/2019, 02:08 PM

I have fish Sulfa Forte from Thomas Labs. Are you recommending that instead of one of the others or in addition to them?

ThRoewer · 06/23/2019, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overboard

I have Formalin MS by FishVet. Only indicates one ingredient (formaldehyde) at 37%. It just been in a cabinet in our house so no extreme temperatures.

That should contain also methanol as a stabilizer.

I order this now as Formalin MS has become hard to find: 37% Formaldehyde 250ml (approx 8 Fl Oz) UPC grade.

Overboard · 06/23/2019, 02:23 PM

Thanks for the source on the Formalin!

I am beginning to think what I am seeing on its forehead is an injury. My QT is in our utility room and I went in to get a drink last night from the refrigerator. I am always careful to keep the lights out, but she freaked out. Very little light from the hall and very little from the fridge, but even after I got it 100% dark again, she was still jumping. I have a screen top but I can see she may have possibly jumped and hit the frame, edge of the tank or run into the power head. Using antibiotics and monitoring her.

Thanks!!

ThRoewer · 06/23/2019, 02:39 PM

If it is an injury Stress Guard might be a good option.

Overboard · 06/23/2019, 06:53 PM

Thanks!

Big E · 06/26/2019, 03:41 AM

I would definately just monitor for now.

Like Marina mentioned you cannot use Formalin on any fish with an open wound or cut. It's a 100% sure way to kill a fish.

OrionN · 06/26/2019, 04:29 AM

How is she? Doing well?

Overboard · 06/26/2019, 06:13 AM

Thanks for all the assistance!!!

It seems that it was more likely an injury from jumping. The affected area is not getting any worse and in fact, I think it looks better. I have been dosing antibiotics and nothing else in the QT. She is eating pretty well so I am hopeful.

Thanks!!!

MarinaP · 06/26/2019, 12:00 PM

Good to hear. Pretty soon you will need antibiotics for the bites from her jaws

OrionN · 06/26/2019, 12:03 PM

Great

Overboard · 06/26/2019, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarinaP

Good to hear. Pretty soon you will need antibiotics for the bites from her jaws

Ouch!!

OrionN · 07/10/2019, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overboard

Ouch!!

Got bitten already Mark. Do you need any antibiotic?

kris4647 · 07/12/2019, 09:49 PM

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Overboard · 07/14/2019, 09:48 PM

Not so bad really. Not nearly as bad as the crosshatch trigger that got me way back in 2001!!!!

06/22/2019, 11:44 AM	#2
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06/22/2019, 12:02 PM	#3
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06/22/2019, 12:08 PM	#4
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	Is this wound flat like a sore or deep as a cut or like something took a bite? Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

06/22/2019, 12:17 PM	#5
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	It appears as a wound. Fairly roundish. Reddish, but the fish is a red orange color anyway. On profile, the area is raised like a bump that was not there originally. Not a cut and nothing likely to bite it in the QT. Houses with a smaller male nigripes and a single flasher wrasse. Fresh QT with seeded media, no meds yet, ammonia badge and I have been watching the water quality closely. No signs of anything on the male. __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/22/2019, 12:56 PM	#6
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	It might be a good idea to treat against Uronema. My first choice would be formalin baths, but if you are confident that your CP is good you may as well use that or any other medication that has shown to be effective against Uronema. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

06/22/2019, 01:08 PM	#7
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	I do have formalin, but is is probably two years old. I cannot find any dates on the bottle. I would guess it is ok as it is been in a cool dark cabinet. I will do the formalin bath and the treat with CP (from Diamondback). hopefully that does it. Thanks for the help!! __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/22/2019, 01:15 PM	#8
MarinaP Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 3,489	Formalin is not usually used on fish with open wounds. I would stick with antibiotics for now __________________ Marina

06/22/2019, 01:22 PM	#9
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	As long as the formalin is stabilized with methanol and didn't get too cold (below 5°C I think) it should be fine and usable indefinitely. If it has gotten too cold there should be precipitate (I think whitish) on the bottom of the container. If that is the case don't use it as it will have become highly toxic. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

06/22/2019, 01:30 PM	#10
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	I have Formalin MS by FishVet. Only indicates one ingredient (formaldehyde) at 37%. It just been in a cabinet in our house so no extreme temperatures. __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/22/2019, 02:05 PM	#11
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	tmp sulfa ...https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/de...239&id=4951493 __________________ HotTuna

06/22/2019, 02:08 PM	#12
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	I have fish Sulfa Forte from Thomas Labs. Are you recommending that instead of one of the others or in addition to them? __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/23/2019, 02:23 PM	#14
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	Nigripes Update Thanks for the source on the Formalin! I am beginning to think what I am seeing on its forehead is an injury. My QT is in our utility room and I went in to get a drink last night from the refrigerator. I am always careful to keep the lights out, but she freaked out. Very little light from the hall and very little from the fridge, but even after I got it 100% dark again, she was still jumping. I have a screen top but I can see she may have possibly jumped and hit the frame, edge of the tank or run into the power head. Using antibiotics and monitoring her. Thanks!! __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/23/2019, 02:39 PM	#15
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	If it is an injury Stress Guard might be a good option. __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

06/23/2019, 06:53 PM	#16
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	Thanks! __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/26/2019, 03:41 AM	#17
Big E Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Euclid, OH Posts: 4,281	I would definately just monitor for now. Like Marina mentioned you cannot use Formalin on any fish with an open wound or cut. It's a 100% sure way to kill a fish. __________________ 80g Rimless Acropora System reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2197142&page=31 Ed

06/26/2019, 04:29 AM	#18
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	How is she? Doing well? __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

06/26/2019, 06:13 AM	#19
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	Getting Better Thanks for all the assistance!!! It seems that it was more likely an injury from jumping. The affected area is not getting any worse and in fact, I think it looks better. I have been dosing antibiotics and nothing else in the QT. She is eating pretty well so I am hopeful. Thanks!!! __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame

06/26/2019, 12:00 PM	#20
MarinaP Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 3,489	Good to hear. Pretty soon you will need antibiotics for the bites from her jaws __________________ Marina

06/26/2019, 12:03 PM	#21
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	Great __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

07/12/2019, 09:49 PM	#24
kris4647 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seabrook, Texas Posts: 728	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07/14/2019, 09:48 PM	#25
Overboard Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 554	Not so bad really. Not nearly as bad as the crosshatch trigger that got me way back in 2001!!!! __________________ 360 Gallon SPS Display. Lighting is with two 400 watt MH , two Radion G4 X30s, supplemented with old school VHOs for some "pop". Fish - Pair of IO Regal Angels, pair of captive bred Hawaiian Flame