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Unread 11/16/2006, 08:17 AM   #126
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Edward, why is the hormone illegal in The U.S.?

So no way to get it?

Dosing "I and F" what's the "F"

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HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is regulated by the U.S. meaning it has to be prescribed. Bodybuilders, AIDS patients, children and other medical candidates use HGH. Im not sure if you ever seen a true competiting bodybuilder in person... but they are twice the size of an average man. The reason for this is because HGH makes your bones and muscles grow once again after your body has stopped when you become an adult. Thats why bodybuilders have the square jaw look.. and even women hardcore bodybuilders.

I and F? Did I say that? Most likely that is Iodine or Fluoride.


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Unread 11/16/2006, 08:21 AM   #127
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invicible, you're welcome

Wow! I just noticed the Mg is at 1600!! Is there a reason why everyone has high Mg? Thanks!!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 08:47 AM   #128
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Edward, why is the hormone illegal in The U.S.?

So no way to get it?

Dosing "I and F" what's the "F"

Thanks,

Todd
Firt time I've heard of GH used in an Aquarium. My quess is it is illegal because it is a Human Growth Hormone used by body builders to incease growth.

Hmmm.....one for the tank. one for ME!! 1001 , 1002, 1003....Did you get your ticket yet?? To the GUN SHOW! haha


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Unread 11/16/2006, 08:56 AM   #129
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Ca 500 ppm
MG 1500-1600 ppm
Sr 30
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Unread 11/16/2006, 09:57 AM   #130
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O.K., that doesn't make sense. If body builders can get it, why couldn't we get it for our tanks? What about AGH (animal growth hormone like for cattle etc?).

Or, do the body builders get it illegally?

Also curious about the MG levels and WHAT product are they using to dose it? (ie..something like dolimite in a CA reactor, a comercial aquarium additive, or Mg Sulfide Salt from the pharmancy)

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Unread 11/16/2006, 10:04 AM   #131
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I'd pay money to see this in person.

Just. Wow.


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Unread 11/16/2006, 10:06 AM   #132
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O.K., that doesn't make sense. If body builders can get it, why couldn't we get it for our tanks? What about AGH (animal growth hormone like for cattle etc?).

Or, do the body builders get it illegally?

Also curious about the MG levels and WHAT product are they using to dose it? (ie..something like dolimite in a CA reactor, a comercial aquarium additive, or Mg Sulfide Salt from the pharmancy)

Thanks,

Todd
They get it illegally or they have a doctor prescribe it. It's all about connections. I've never heard of AGH. I would assume its similiar because a lot of the steroids today are meant for animals such as equipose (horses).

I will let the Ocean Drive or the Italians speak about Mg if they would like too. The problem with Mg in a reactor is the problem of dissolving it. A Ca reactor usese 6.2-7.1 or so to dissolve the media. Supposedly Mg media takes lower PH to dissolve. So if you have 6.7, the Mg media is just sitting there. A seperate reactor is ideal for this. Now, you can dose in liquid form too.


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Unread 11/16/2006, 12:00 PM   #133
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Beautiful italian tank....

http://www.reefitalia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2939

Carlo, pure questa perĂ²..meritava!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 01:36 PM   #134
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Sir, is necessary the subscription at the forum to see the Mario Conti' s tank !!!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 03:33 PM   #135
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There are numerous steroids on the market right now for cattle and horses...a growth hormone should be easy to attain if you look in the right spots. The question then becomes what side effects does this cause to your reef? I'm sure there are other chemicals in the GHs for livestock that could be detrimental. It'd definately be an experiment!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 03:50 PM   #136
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Chelsey, where/how can you get these GHs for Livestock?

I might set up a QT tank and try some out. (PM me if you like)

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Unread 11/16/2006, 05:06 PM   #137
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Edward, how could you forget one of your DTOTQ fellow alum?




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ok ok ok enough whats the lighting like please you guys are killing me with all the bright colors
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Unread 11/16/2006, 06:58 PM   #143
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Fliger! Great thinking!! I should ask for an updated pic of his tank. Its been a yr?

geronte, aster73's tank is incredible. Im getting overwhelmed by so many nice Italian mature tanks!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 07:02 PM   #144
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Thanks to Ocean Drive.. from reefitalia.net

Nando's mature fully loaded aquarium:

http://www.reefitalia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2598




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Unread 11/16/2006, 07:20 PM   #145
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Fliger, gotta link to that tank?


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Unread 11/16/2006, 07:23 PM   #146
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Fliger, gotta link to that tank?
Brulz tank:
http://www.zeovit.com/DTOTQ/


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Unread 11/16/2006, 07:47 PM   #147
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Looks like the Italians are not alone...

The Spanish are also going into extreme water parameters.. here's an example of someone in spain:

"30 de Kh y 560/580 de Ca."
"Los valores son kh 30, calcio 580, fosfatos 0."

that last one is done by having a 5.95 PH in the Ca reactor.

But thats another thread!


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Unread 11/16/2006, 08:55 PM   #148
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Dosing HGH Maurizio's way.. is called the "Blu Coral Method" in Italy. The vials cost 80's euro's and when dosing skimmer must be stopped for hours. The vials are mixed with proteins (oysters, mussels, etc) turned into cubes.

Great info from this method here:
http://www.reefitalia.net/forums/sho...hp?t=25&page=4

Ideal Parameters:
iodio 0,06
ca 500
mg 1500
sr 30
ph 8,5
kh 12

Here's an example Roberto's. A 10 Month Period using the Blue Coral Method.






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Unread 11/16/2006, 09:20 PM   #149
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Can't access that link..you need to log in. I'm curious how much gh was used in a 10mo peroid. The vials are measured in IU not MG. Also if you do your research you can find it a lot cheaper than 80 euros. when I was a gym rat gh was going for about $15 an IU now you can find it for $3 to$ 5 an IU


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Unread 11/16/2006, 09:55 PM   #150
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These are all large, well equiped, well cared for, mature reefs.

People are looking for the magic bullet again.


BTW nothing against these tanks there awesome, but people are crazy if they think there tanks will turn into these overnight with HGH.


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