Achilles Tang Primer - Page 69

ca1ore · 04/15/2017, 09:30 PM

Wow, haven't visited this thread for a while - some wacky advice masquerading as expertise. Achilles is a swimmer and needs both space and flow. Relying on any part of the ornamental fish supply chain for any kind of effective quarantine is folly. Juveniles often have an in distinct or less full colored 'teardrop'. Nori important, but meaty foods also required.

I have had mine now for four years. Though it is on the smaller side at about 5", it's in full adult colors. Eats nori, pellets, brine and the larger PE mysis. It's holding a healthy body weight. My tank also has ich and the AT is now mostly immune. Probably the most aggressive of all my tangs to newcomers despite not being the largest.

Pran · 04/16/2017, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ReefPharmer

So my friend is breaking down his tank and offered me to house his two smaller Achilles. I have my own that's larger than his. My tank is 300g.

The current inhabitants are Achilles, pow blue, naso, chevron, purple and yellow. His are Achilles x2, pow blue, pow brown, naso, chevron, purple x2, yellow.
I realize it sounds nuts but I saw a friends tank which had a TON of fish that were aggressive and others that were not so and there wasn't any damage on them due to "lack of territories". He did have a large filtration system that handles these fish.

So is it possible or 6 likeshaped fish are a death sentence ?

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Thats great to hear

you have any pic or video of all 6 swimming together?

My Achilies is almost 1 year in my tank, and I am thinking of trying another one if possible

MMacro · 04/16/2017, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SeyozTanks

People have this first the less Hardy rating cause the price you pay for it. If it cost Yellow/Brown Tang Prices, this column would be way shorter...

Yes like powders brown, blue does get ich, but unless not eatting...like a teenager getting zit outbreak, yes sucks, yes not wanted but no not the killer, Someone maybe stressing out.

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General consensus is that Acanthurus tangs, especially achilles, are 'less hardy' than the other fish that we keep in this hobby.
It absolutely blows my mind that you say that ich is not a bad thing to have. Ich is usually fatal if left untreated. Sure, there are worse diseases/parasites out there but ich is still a concern.
Do some research, you seem to be a 'parrot' to what you have heard at/around your LFS.

MMacro · 04/17/2017, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SeyozTanks

People are so used to chemical treatments, fish are resilient.

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TTM uses no chemicals and is effective against ich.
I treat my fish so that they may live happily without parasites or diseases.

ReefPharmer · 04/17/2017, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SeyozTanks

My fish don't get sick or ich, your fish are just objects, cookie cutter

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/troll

Joined march 2017 and has 300 friends w tangs. May we all be so fortunate.

ReefPharmer · 04/17/2017, 02:17 AM

So a small update. I got two Achilles from a buddy who broke his tank down. They aren't large, perhaps 4 inches. They are eating but not pigging out. To avoid destruction I caught my AT Friday night and moved him into the sump as he is 1.5 times their size and much fatter.
I will have him hang out in the sump for a few days (maybe 3 days or so) and then move him back into the DT. Hoping they can coexist.

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Callum96 · 04/20/2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefPharmer

So a small update. I got two Achilles from a buddy who broke his tank down. They aren't large, perhaps 4 inches. They are eating but not pigging out. To avoid destruction I caught my AT Friday night and moved him into the sump as he is 1.5 times their size and much fatter.
I will have him hang out in the sump for a few days (maybe 3 days or so) and then move him back into the DT. Hoping they can coexist.

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Have you moved him back yet?

ReefPharmer · 04/22/2017, 03:36 PM

Yes

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ReefPharmer · 04/22/2017, 05:40 PM

Here is a better closeup

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Pran · 04/22/2017, 06:08 PM

Very very nice

It's nice how they are diff size

Balagur · 05/18/2017, 12:37 PM

My tang

mjmarasigan · 06/01/2017, 04:27 AM

Hi guys,

Planning to get an Achilles Tang in the next few months and have been doing some research. One thing that worries me is that I only have a 20-gallon QT. I was planning to have it acclimated by a 1 hour drip acclimation followed by a 1 hour paraguard treatment. Question is, would it be too stressful for the fisth? And is the QT too small? Because if it is, I won't force my way to get one. Thanks.

ca1ore · 06/01/2017, 08:13 AM

20 gal is probably too small. I used a 30L to QT my Achilles. BTW, if you use a QT, match salinity to incoming bag and no drip is necessary.

mjmarasigan · 06/01/2017, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca1ore

20 gal is probably too small. I used a 30L to QT my Achilles. BTW, if you use a QT, match salinity to incoming bag and no drip is necessary.

30 L or 30 gals? 30 L is roughly 7 gals.

ca1ore · 06/01/2017, 08:19 AM

I'm an 'imperial guy' ..... 30L is a 30 gal long tank, not litres.

mjmarasigan · 06/01/2017, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca1ore

I'm an 'imperial guy' ..... 30L is a 30 gal long tank, not litres.

oh sorry about that

ca1ore · 06/01/2017, 08:26 AM

No it was a perfectly reasonable question. Welcome to RC by the way.

mjmarasigan · 06/01/2017, 08:31 AM

Thanks for the welcome. For now, would want to read more on it, and see if some others would post a reply.

bnumair · 06/04/2017, 11:45 PM

had 2 in qt and now they are in my main tank, here are few pics.

ca1ore · 06/05/2017, 06:27 PM

Very nice. Never been brave enough to try two in one tank. Generally I only keep one Acanthurus genus at a time. Is that tank 8'?

bnumair · 06/05/2017, 09:07 PM

Yes 8 ft tank with several tangs. I qt them togather with separaters then slowly moved them into each other's space and after qt moved all of them in 1 shot into main with lights off. Never had any problem with 8 tangs in the tank.
2 achellies
2 yellow tang
2 hippo
1 powder blue
1. Purple tang

adeebm · 07/18/2017, 09:27 PM

It's been a while since I checked on this thread. Wanted to share progress with my tang. I've now had him for 3y 8mo. Tank is ick free so no problem there. He eats anything now, normal feeding is pe mysis or hikari spirulina brine, along with NLS pellets and nori.

He seems healthy and happy, though some more fat wouldn't hurt. Having had him for a while now, I think the key to success is the early months. Good qt, eradicating ich, and getting them to eat. After that, they seem fairly hardy.

mdrobc1213 · 09/09/2017, 10:16 PM

Lost mine after 48hrs in quarrantine in my 20g QT. Used Cupermine and fresh SW from LFS but he never ate and hid away the whole time. Not real active and attempt to move him to my DT for more space and water flow (its a 210g) didn't work. Moved back to QT and he expired soon after.

Man these are fragile. I have great success with Clown Tangs x2 and maybe I'll stick with them. Cheveron and Purple Tangs too all with good results so I was super sad..but sight unseen purchase from LA over Labor Day and my 1st AT try. Will try again but next time will take a look at this post again carefully.

Pablo tepoot · 02/28/2018, 09:14 PM

Sharing my 37 achilles fed on NLS exclusively in my 2,000 gals display./Users/pablo/Desktop/Achilles tank.jpg

Pablo tepoot · 03/01/2018, 01:39 PM

Sharing my 37 achilles fed on NLS exclusively in my 2,000 gals display

04/15/2017, 09:30 PM	#1701
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Wow, haven't visited this thread for a while - some wacky advice masquerading as expertise. Achilles is a swimmer and needs both space and flow. Relying on any part of the ornamental fish supply chain for any kind of effective quarantine is folly. Juveniles often have an in distinct or less full colored 'teardrop'. Nori important, but meaty foods also required. I have had mine now for four years. Though it is on the smaller side at about 5", it's in full adult colors. Eats nori, pellets, brine and the larger PE mysis. It's holding a healthy body weight. My tank also has ich and the AT is now mostly immune. Probably the most aggressive of all my tangs to newcomers despite not being the largest. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs Last edited by ca1ore; 04/15/2017 at 09:38 PM.

04/22/2017, 03:36 PM	#1708
ReefPharmer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 1,836	Achilles Tang Primer Yes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04/22/2017, 06:08 PM	#1710
Pran Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto On Canada Posts: 310	Very very nice It's nice how they are diff size __________________ Current Tank: 150 Gal in Wall mix reef, 2 Vortech MP40W, Alpha Cone 200

06/01/2017, 08:13 AM	#1713
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	20 gal is probably too small. I used a 30L to QT my Achilles. BTW, if you use a QT, match salinity to incoming bag and no drip is necessary. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

06/01/2017, 08:19 AM	#1715
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	I'm an 'imperial guy' ..... 30L is a 30 gal long tank, not litres. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

04/17/2017, 02:17 AM	#1706
ReefPharmer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 1,836	So a small update. I got two Achilles from a buddy who broke his tank down. They aren't large, perhaps 4 inches. They are eating but not pigging out. To avoid destruction I caught my AT Friday night and moved him into the sump as he is 1.5 times their size and much fatter. I will have him hang out in the sump for a few days (maybe 3 days or so) and then move him back into the DT. Hoping they can coexist. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04/22/2017, 05:40 PM	#1709
ReefPharmer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 1,836	Here is a better closeup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06/01/2017, 04:27 AM	#1712
mjmarasigan Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 28	Hi guys, Planning to get an Achilles Tang in the next few months and have been doing some research. One thing that worries me is that I only have a 20-gallon QT. I was planning to have it acclimated by a 1 hour drip acclimation followed by a 1 hour paraguard treatment. Question is, would it be too stressful for the fisth? And is the QT too small? Because if it is, I won't force my way to get one. Thanks.

06/01/2017, 08:26 AM	#1717
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	No it was a perfectly reasonable question. Welcome to RC by the way. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

06/01/2017, 08:31 AM	#1718
mjmarasigan Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 28	Thanks for the welcome. For now, would want to read more on it, and see if some others would post a reply.

06/05/2017, 06:27 PM	#1720
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Very nice. Never been brave enough to try two in one tank. Generally I only keep one Acanthurus genus at a time. Is that tank 8'? __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

06/05/2017, 09:07 PM	#1721
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	Yes 8 ft tank with several tangs. I qt them togather with separaters then slowly moved them into each other's space and after qt moved all of them in 1 shot into main with lights off. Never had any problem with 8 tangs in the tank. 2 achellies 2 yellow tang 2 hippo 1 powder blue 1. Purple tang __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

07/18/2017, 09:27 PM	#1722
adeebm Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 130	It's been a while since I checked on this thread. Wanted to share progress with my tang. I've now had him for 3y 8mo. Tank is ick free so no problem there. He eats anything now, normal feeding is pe mysis or hikari spirulina brine, along with NLS pellets and nori. He seems healthy and happy, though some more fat wouldn't hurt. Having had him for a while now, I think the key to success is the early months. Good qt, eradicating ich, and getting them to eat. After that, they seem fairly hardy.

09/09/2017, 10:16 PM	#1723
mdrobc1213 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 39	Lost mine after 48hrs in quarrantine in my 20g QT. Used Cupermine and fresh SW from LFS but he never ate and hid away the whole time. Not real active and attempt to move him to my DT for more space and water flow (its a 210g) didn't work. Moved back to QT and he expired soon after. Man these are fragile. I have great success with Clown Tangs x2 and maybe I'll stick with them. Cheveron and Purple Tangs too all with good results so I was super sad..but sight unseen purchase from LA over Labor Day and my 1st AT try. Will try again but next time will take a look at this post again carefully.

02/28/2018, 09:14 PM	#1724
Pablo tepoot Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Homestead, Florida Posts: 10	Sharing my 37 achilles fed on NLS exclusively in my 2,000 gals display./Users/pablo/Desktop/Achilles tank.jpg

03/01/2018, 01:39 PM	#1725
Pablo tepoot Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Homestead, Florida Posts: 10	Sharing my 37 achilles fed on NLS exclusively in my 2,000 gals display