Treating with Vitamin C - Page 10

Pufferpunk · 12/30/2007, 07:45 PM

If you're having any issues at all, please take some "before" pics. Even if you aren't... I'd like folks to see the difference, even in an already healthy tank. In a couple of weeks take them again, for "after" pics.

Sk8r · 12/31/2007, 12:50 PM

I got chemically curious---c6 h8 o6 [ascorbic acid: vitamin C] functions in tissue growth, in the use of the amino acid Lysine. As you see, there is pretty basic stuff in its make-up, nothing but carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. And one wonders what the need of a coral might be for something which is usually associated with citrus fruit---but it is also found in leafy green veggies [algaes? phyto? dunno...] and it is water-soluble, excretes readily, and consequently cannot be stored at least by mammals.

I am quite interested in this thread. While hobbyists have [too] enthusiastically in some cases supplemented every element readily available [also via reef salt], and some have supplemented amino acids---while our skimmers work hard to take them out---there's been little experimentation I have ever heard of in supplying key biological compounds that might be useful in the very basic activities of very basic living tissue.

Translation: this is interesting.

It might have some bearing outside zoanthids, where it comes to tissue growth and wound healing. One has to wonder what the saturation point is, and whether corals can adequately excrete it: I would think they can, it being entirely water soluble.

franco_oo · 12/31/2007, 01:16 PM

i no we talk about vita c in forme off caplets but wath about the liquid ones ............. easier to desolube no

Sk8r · 12/31/2007, 01:21 PM

"I know we're talking about vitamin C in caplet form, but what about the liquid ones? Easier to dissolve, yes?"
I'd say probably ok, but sometimes you want things to happen gradually in a tank. Especially if just starting this and testing coral response to the dose, I'd use the caplets simply BECAUSE they change things more slowly.

geoxman · 12/31/2007, 01:28 PM

I would say to use the crystals it is pure and is a better form of the vitamin- because it has no fillers. That is what I have been using and you can get it at GNC. 1 tsp is around 2200mg. good luck

Pufferpunk · 12/31/2007, 02:08 PM

If I hadn't sold my Kent doser, I'd be either dissolving the tabs or powder in 2g of top off water & dripping slowly, like madali is doing. I think that would be best. I'm having fine results placing it in my sump, after the skimmer & Purigen thugh.

micromount · 12/31/2007, 02:31 PM

Sorry if I overlooked any mention of this. Everybrand I lood at today has a binding angent, usually cellulose. Any effect from this?
Thanks.

Pufferpunk · 12/31/2007, 03:09 PM

should be fine

franco_oo · 12/31/2007, 04:58 PM

i but the vitamin C asbsorbic acid chewable tablets 1000 mg

is it ok....
ty

Pufferpunk · 12/31/2007, 08:45 PM

Hmmm... I don't know about chewable. Might have flavoring or something. I think the more generic, the better.

Pufferpunk · 12/31/2007, 09:13 PM

I know lots of folks were asking for before & after pics & I actually did find an old pic of my Tubb's Blues, the whole purpose of my looking for a cure to this problem. I refused to lose these beauties!

Before:

After (today, 2 months later):

See all the new babies on the bottom? Everything's growing like that now!

madadi · 12/31/2007, 10:17 PM

if that doesnt make your run to the drug store for vitamin C then you must not have zoa in your tank

great picture Jeni. took you long enough!

Pufferpunk · 12/31/2007, 10:42 PM

I didn't even know I took that before pic.

madadi · 01/01/2008, 12:01 AM

so in the old picture it almost looks like there is only one polyp still alive, maybe two. did they just open up after the C or did all new ones grow over the dead. the difference is amazing.

killingseed · 01/01/2008, 12:12 AM

what we need is more results like that, we need to see more people to post before and afters.

Pufferpunk very nice colony!

Pufferpunk · 01/01/2008, 12:27 AM

Those polyps were near death. It took about 2 weeks of treatment to get them all to open. When I stopped treatment for 2 weeks, they started closing again. I can't believe all the new growth under the older ones!

netjerk · 01/01/2008, 01:44 AM

so when you stopped dosing the problem started to come back. does this mean that your corals would be dependant on the vitamen c dosing? how would that work if you plan to frag and sell/trade your corals? most people's tank wouldn't be dosing with vitamen c.

i want to try this out, but on the other hand i don't want my zoas to become dependant on vitamen c dosing. =\

Jarob · 01/01/2008, 01:47 AM

Im sold on this. Begin dosing right NOW!

Pufferpunk · 01/01/2008, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netjerk
so when you stopped dosing the problem started to come back. does this mean that your corals would be dependant on the vitamen c dosing? how would that work if you plan to frag and sell/trade your corals? most people's tank wouldn't be dosing with vitamen c.

i want to try this out, but on the other hand i don't want my zoas to become dependant on vitamen c dosing. =\

I wouldn't say they are dependant. They were dieing before they ever had the C in their systems. There is obviously something in some of our tanks that make them do badly. Many folks don't always have this problem but lots do. A lot of folks are using it now that had perfectly healthy tanks & see a big difference in their corals--even their fish. Some of my SPS & LPS have doubled, since dosing!

Pufferpunk · 01/01/2008, 01:59 PM

Some folks are concerned about what will happen if they stop dosing the C. When I stop taking it, it's not like I get sick the next day. Less of a chance of my getting sick if exposed though, if I am taking it. I am a huge believer of homeopathic remedies & take a lot of suppliments daily. Vitamin C actually got me thru a bout of chemo at one time, boosting my imune system to the point where I was able to quit early & still recover (I was taking 20,000mg daily).

What I didn't expect was for it to boost all my healthier corals so much! Geoxman had a perfectly healthy tank when he started dosing & he's a firm believer of using it for healthy corals too now. Some folks are even seeing differences in their healthy fish. So far, I have seen absolutely no negative results from doing this.

I know a gal was concerned, that when I stopped dosing, my Tubb's blues started receding again & maybe they were "dependent' on the C. I say, that there is obviously something awry with my tank or strain of zoas that are causing them to succumb to this malady so frequently & if I have to always dose my tank, then so be it. What I (& she) was wondering, if I sell these zoas, will the buyer have to dose too? I wonder...

Jeff · 01/01/2008, 07:24 PM

Bump!

clopez · 01/01/2008, 11:42 PM

I just started dosing my 40 after seeing puffers tank. I will try and report with results as time goes on.

revautosports · 01/02/2008, 01:59 PM

Ok I have a frag that's developing the fungus. It's been closed up for 4 days now. Started dosing yesterday so let see how it does. I'm starting with 500mg and it's a 20gal tank. Here is a pic of it.
[IMG]http://i9.*******.com/8210xlx.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i8.*******.com/6okv8ut.jpg[/IMG]

Pufferpunk · 01/02/2008, 02:02 PM

What is that a frag of? Nice bright orange, I hope you don't lose it. That is different that the brown coating I had on mine that they were calling a "fungus". Let's see how yours does. I'd also like to see if this helps with zoapox. I wonder if it might protect zoas from getting it from others in their tank.

killingseed · 01/02/2008, 02:05 PM

thanks for the pictures revautosports keeps us posted. i look forward to seeing good results and some pictures of them doing better.

12/31/2007, 12:50 PM	#227
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	I got chemically curious---c6 h8 o6 [ascorbic acid: vitamin C] functions in tissue growth, in the use of the amino acid Lysine. As you see, there is pretty basic stuff in its make-up, nothing but carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. And one wonders what the need of a coral might be for something which is usually associated with citrus fruit---but it is also found in leafy green veggies [algaes? phyto? dunno...] and it is water-soluble, excretes readily, and consequently cannot be stored at least by mammals. I am quite interested in this thread. While hobbyists have [too] enthusiastically in some cases supplemented every element readily available [also via reef salt], and some have supplemented amino acids---while our skimmers work hard to take them out---there's been little experimentation I have ever heard of in supplying key biological compounds that might be useful in the very basic activities of very basic living tissue. Translation: this is interesting. It might have some bearing outside zoanthids, where it comes to tissue growth and wound healing. One has to wonder what the saturation point is, and whether corals can adequately excrete it: I would think they can, it being entirely water soluble. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

12/31/2007, 01:16 PM	#228
franco_oo Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: montreal,canada Posts: 86	i no we talk about vita c in forme off caplets but wath about the liquid ones ............. easier to desolube no __________________ 77g reef +77 sump,260 w of pc with softies and zoas

12/31/2007, 01:21 PM	#229
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	"I know we're talking about vitamin C in caplet form, but what about the liquid ones? Easier to dissolve, yes?" I'd say probably ok, but sometimes you want things to happen gradually in a tank. Especially if just starting this and testing coral response to the dose, I'd use the caplets simply BECAUSE they change things more slowly. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

12/31/2007, 01:28 PM	#230
geoxman Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in my office Posts: 3,848	I would say to use the crystals it is pure and is a better form of the vitamin- because it has no fillers. That is what I have been using and you can get it at GNC. 1 tsp is around 2200mg. good luck __________________ "Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?" F-Zappa Current Tank Info: an ice cube tray with brine shrimp in each cubicle

12/31/2007, 02:08 PM	#231
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	If I hadn't sold my Kent doser, I'd be either dissolving the tabs or powder in 2g of top off water & dripping slowly, like madali is doing. I think that would be best. I'm having fine results placing it in my sump, after the skimmer & Purigen thugh. Last edited by Pufferpunk; 12/31/2007 at 02:21 PM.

12/30/2007, 07:45 PM	#226
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	If you're having any issues at all, please take some "before" pics. Even if you aren't... I'd like folks to see the difference, even in an already healthy tank. In a couple of weeks take them again, for "after" pics.

12/31/2007, 02:31 PM	#232
micromount Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 193	Vitamin C brand Sorry if I overlooked any mention of this. Everybrand I lood at today has a binding angent, usually cellulose. Any effect from this? Thanks.

12/31/2007, 03:09 PM	#233
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	should be fine

12/31/2007, 04:58 PM	#234
franco_oo Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: montreal,canada Posts: 86	i but the vitamin C asbsorbic acid chewable tablets 1000 mg is it ok.... ty __________________ 77g reef +77 sump,260 w of pc with softies and zoas

12/31/2007, 08:45 PM	#235
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Hmmm... I don't know about chewable. Might have flavoring or something. I think the more generic, the better.

12/31/2007, 09:13 PM	#236
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	I know lots of folks were asking for before & after pics & I actually did find an old pic of my Tubb's Blues, the whole purpose of my looking for a cure to this problem. I refused to lose these beauties! Before: After (today, 2 months later): See all the new babies on the bottom? Everything's growing like that now! Last edited by Pufferpunk; 12/31/2007 at 09:25 PM.

12/31/2007, 10:17 PM	#237
madadi ReefOG Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Morton grove, IL Posts: 3,976	if that doesnt make your run to the drug store for vitamin C then you must not have zoa in your tank great picture Jeni. took you long enough! __________________ -~adrian~- LETS TRADE YUMAS Current Tank Info: Glass box.

12/31/2007, 10:42 PM	#238
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	I didn't even know I took that before pic.

01/01/2008, 12:01 AM	#239
madadi ReefOG Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Morton grove, IL Posts: 3,976	so in the old picture it almost looks like there is only one polyp still alive, maybe two. did they just open up after the C or did all new ones grow over the dead. the difference is amazing. __________________ -~adrian~- LETS TRADE YUMAS Current Tank Info: Glass box.

01/01/2008, 12:12 AM	#240
killingseed Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: El Paso , TX Posts: 2,714	what we need is more results like that, we need to see more people to post before and afters. Pufferpunk very nice colony!

01/01/2008, 12:27 AM	#241
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Those polyps were near death. It took about 2 weeks of treatment to get them all to open. When I stopped treatment for 2 weeks, they started closing again. I can't believe all the new growth under the older ones!

01/01/2008, 01:44 AM	#242
netjerk Moved On Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Ca, USA Posts: 45	so when you stopped dosing the problem started to come back. does this mean that your corals would be dependant on the vitamen c dosing? how would that work if you plan to frag and sell/trade your corals? most people's tank wouldn't be dosing with vitamen c. i want to try this out, but on the other hand i don't want my zoas to become dependant on vitamen c dosing. =\

01/01/2008, 01:47 AM	#243
Jarob Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 409	Im sold on this. Begin dosing right NOW!

01/01/2008, 01:59 PM	#245
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Some folks are concerned about what will happen if they stop dosing the C. When I stop taking it, it's not like I get sick the next day. Less of a chance of my getting sick if exposed though, if I am taking it. I am a huge believer of homeopathic remedies & take a lot of suppliments daily. Vitamin C actually got me thru a bout of chemo at one time, boosting my imune system to the point where I was able to quit early & still recover (I was taking 20,000mg daily). What I didn't expect was for it to boost all my healthier corals so much! Geoxman had a perfectly healthy tank when he started dosing & he's a firm believer of using it for healthy corals too now. Some folks are even seeing differences in their healthy fish. So far, I have seen absolutely no negative results from doing this. I know a gal was concerned, that when I stopped dosing, my Tubb's blues started receding again & maybe they were "dependent' on the C. I say, that there is obviously something awry with my tank or strain of zoas that are causing them to succumb to this malady so frequently & if I have to always dose my tank, then so be it. What I (& she) was wondering, if I sell these zoas, will the buyer have to dose too? I wonder...

01/01/2008, 07:24 PM	#246
Jeff Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,907	Bump! __________________ Always remember.... any time you reef, you also reef with every reefer that reefer has reefed with. Mitch 2/18/10 IWNFT343F Current Tank Info: Innovative Marine 20

01/01/2008, 11:42 PM	#247
clopez Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 694	I just started dosing my 40 after seeing puffers tank. I will try and report with results as time goes on.

01/02/2008, 01:59 PM	#248
revautosports Moved On Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 122	Ok I have a frag that's developing the fungus. It's been closed up for 4 days now. Started dosing yesterday so let see how it does. I'm starting with 500mg and it's a 20gal tank. Here is a pic of it. [IMG]http://i9.*****.com/8210xlx.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i8.*****.com/6okv8ut.jpg[/IMG]

01/02/2008, 02:02 PM	#249
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	What is that a frag of? Nice bright orange, I hope you don't lose it. That is different that the brown coating I had on mine that they were calling a "fungus". Let's see how yours does. I'd also like to see if this helps with zoapox. I wonder if it might protect zoas from getting it from others in their tank.

01/02/2008, 02:05 PM	#250
killingseed Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: El Paso , TX Posts: 2,714	thanks for the pictures revautosports keeps us posted. i look forward to seeing good results and some pictures of them doing better.