Whats in Clorox Pool & Spa Phosphate Remover?

Shia · 08/31/2017, 02:48 PM

A buddy was asking me if the clorox phosphate remover was just lanthanum chloride, looked for a material data sheet but couldn't find one. Anyone know what's in this stuff?

Shia · 09/01/2017, 10:16 AM

Anyone know if this is just lanthanum and reef safe?

d0ughb0y · 09/01/2017, 11:18 AM

you need to look for the MSDS document of the product. If you cannot find it online, you can try emailing Clorox and ask for it.

mcgyvr · 09/01/2017, 04:11 PM

Your google foo skills are weak grasshopper..

12 seconds..

and FYI its SDS now... they dropped the M

Chemical Name CAS No. Weight-%
Lanthanum chloride 10099-58-8 6 - 10%*
*The exact percentage (concentration) of composition has been withheld as a trade secret.

lets see if the link stays together..
https://kik-sds.thewercs.com/private...ion=d__~value~

Shia · 09/02/2017, 05:33 PM

Haha 12 seconds is very impressive. I spent an hour before I posted. Thanks mcgyvr, passed the information along to him.

Shia · 09/05/2017, 12:45 PM

Follow-up question. Has anyone used this Lanthanum based product?

themummra · 10/27/2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shia

Follow-up question. Has anyone used this Lanthanum based product?

I just put some in a container of cycled rock to get the phosphate down before introducing to a tank.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Phosphates are at .5ppm before dosing. Dosed 4 tablespoons

coralfish · 10/27/2017, 11:14 PM

I’ve been using SeaKlear Phosphate Remover for several months.

Using lantheumn chloride must be diluted with ro water dripped very slowly (over the course of several hours) and filtered through no larger than a 10 micron filter sock (to strain out the flatulent that is produced by it binding with the PO4).

I drip it, approx 1 drop per every 3 seconds, via an iv bag into my skimmer body and filter the skimmer return through a 5 micron filter sock.

I would never dose it any other way, and definitely would not just pour it into the water.

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der_wille_zur_macht · 10/28/2017, 04:39 AM

I know this is an old thread, but I would be careful with the advice to rely on the MSDS. It is only intended to describe material that may be hazardous to humans, it doesn't always give the entire makeup of the product and there could be things hazardous to a reef tank that wouldn't show up on it.

Shia · 10/29/2017, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themummra

I just put some in a container of cycled rock to get the phosphate down before introducing to a tank.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Phosphates are at .5ppm before dosing. Dosed 4 tablespoons

Definitely keep us posted, appreciate any info you can provide.

Shia · 10/29/2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by der_wille_zur_macht

I know this is an old thread, but I would be careful with the advice to rely on the MSDS. It is only intended to describe material that may be hazardous to humans, it doesn't always give the entire makeup of the product and there could be things hazardous to a reef tank that wouldn't show up on it.

Very valid point. So far He has been using for a couple of weeks and so far hasn't reported any ill effects. Will update with either good or bad results. SeaKlear not available in our area so he went with a more widely available one.

Gorgok · 10/29/2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by coralfish

10 micron filter sock (to strain out the flatulent that is produced by it binding with the PO4).

That is some funny autocorrect there.

themummra · 11/05/2017, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shia

Definitely keep us posted, appreciate any info you can provide.

It worked well.

Dosed 4tbsp 3 or 4 times over 8 days (as it is 1/3 the strength of SeaKlear). Waited 2 days and then tested phosphates.

They are now at .058 instead of .5ppm. I am going to wait 4-5 more days before testing again to confirm they stay low without dosing/

Shia · 11/05/2017, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themummra

It worked well.

Dosed 4tbsp 3 or 4 times over 8 days (as it is 1/3 the strength of SeaKlear). Waited 2 days and then tested phosphates.

They are now at .058 instead of .5ppm. I am going to wait 4-5 more days before testing again to confirm they stay low without dosing/

Great to see this. Also keep us updated with how everything goes once this rock is in a display tank. I feel this product is much easier to obtain than SeaKlear, and would be nice to see peoples results.

My friend is also doing well with the product, dosing very slowly and has had no ill effects. He has not sent me his phosphate readings, so can't comment on the efficacy.

themummra · 11/08/2017, 11:41 PM

Phosphates still at .058ppm. Will be going into a display in about 7 days

themummra · 12/23/2017, 04:31 PM

Inverts and fish and bacteria alive and well with the LC'd rock

madreefer2013 · 12/10/2018, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shia

Great to see this. Also keep us updated with how everything goes once this rock is in a display tank. I feel this product is much easier to obtain than SeaKlear, and would be nice to see peoples results.

My friend is also doing well with the product, dosing very slowly and has had no ill effects. He has not sent me his phosphate readings, so can't comment on the efficacy.

Good to hear this as safe alternative to seaklear.

Shia · 12/25/2018, 03:24 PM

From what I read it is not as concentrated as Seaklear, but boy is it strong. I have tried it. My phsophates were .125 ppm. I put 3 drops in my skimmer, and later that day my phosphates were 0. My goal is to get .001-.003 ppm. Dilution is definitely necessary to make it viable in a doser.

08/31/2017, 02:48 PM	#1
Shia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 981 Blog Entries: 1	Whats in Clorox Pool & Spa Phosphate Remover? A buddy was asking me if the clorox phosphate remover was just lanthanum chloride, looked for a material data sheet but couldn't find one. Anyone know what's in this stuff?

09/01/2017, 04:11 PM	#4
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Your google foo skills are weak grasshopper.. 12 seconds.. and FYI its SDS now... they dropped the M Chemical Name CAS No. Weight-% Lanthanum chloride 10099-58-8 6 - 10%* *The exact percentage (concentration) of composition has been withheld as a trade secret. lets see if the link stays together.. https://kik-sds.thewercs.com/private...ion=d__~value~ __________________ Who me?

10/27/2017, 11:14 PM	#8
coralfish Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hardmoney, KY Posts: 750	Whats in Clorox Pool & Spa Phosphate Remover? I’ve been using SeaKlear Phosphate Remover for several months. Using lantheumn chloride must be diluted with ro water dripped very slowly (over the course of several hours) and filtered through no larger than a 10 micron filter sock (to strain out the flatulent that is produced by it binding with the PO4). I drip it, approx 1 drop per every 3 seconds, via an iv bag into my skimmer body and filter the skimmer return through a 5 micron filter sock. I would never dose it any other way, and definitely would not just pour it into the water. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ One leg missing and both hands free. Current Tank Info: 220 Reef

10/28/2017, 04:39 AM	#9
der_wille_zur_macht Team RC Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 17,749	I know this is an old thread, but I would be careful with the advice to rely on the MSDS. It is only intended to describe material that may be hazardous to humans, it doesn't always give the entire makeup of the product and there could be things hazardous to a reef tank that wouldn't show up on it. __________________ Inconveniencing marine life since 1992 "It is my personal belief that reef aquaria should be thriving communities of biodiversity, representative of their wild counterparts, and not merely collections of pretty specimens growing on tidy clean rock shelves covered in purple coralline algae." (Eric Borneman)

09/01/2017, 10:16 AM	#2
Shia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 981 Blog Entries: 1	Anyone know if this is just lanthanum and reef safe?

09/01/2017, 11:18 AM	#3
d0ughb0y Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: sf bay area Posts: 5,165	you need to look for the MSDS document of the product. If you cannot find it online, you can try emailing Clorox and ask for it.

09/02/2017, 05:33 PM	#5
Shia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 981 Blog Entries: 1	Haha 12 seconds is very impressive. I spent an hour before I posted. Thanks mcgyvr, passed the information along to him.

09/05/2017, 12:45 PM	#6
Shia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 981 Blog Entries: 1	Follow-up question. Has anyone used this Lanthanum based product?

11/08/2017, 11:41 PM	#15
themummra Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 100	Phosphates still at .058ppm. Will be going into a display in about 7 days

12/23/2017, 04:31 PM	#16
themummra Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 100	Inverts and fish and bacteria alive and well with the LC'd rock

12/25/2018, 03:24 PM	#18
Shia Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 981 Blog Entries: 1	From what I read it is not as concentrated as Seaklear, but boy is it strong. I have tried it. My phsophates were .125 ppm. I put 3 drops in my skimmer, and later that day my phosphates were 0. My goal is to get .001-.003 ppm. Dilution is definitely necessary to make it viable in a doser.