Peppermint Angel - Page 3

copps · 09/29/2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal

This will be awesome to see! I'm curious to see the price and if it goes fast, that's a dream fish for some people. Thumbs up to LiveAquaria and Kevin for getting one to the US. I assume it will be several months before up for sale?

Don't count your chickens!

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Originally Posted by mpoletti

Its quotes like this that cause me to hold out for captive raised specimens

That comment was aside from the possibility of Frank coming back...

mpoletti · 09/29/2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by copps

That comment was aside from the possibility of Frank coming back...

Now we're getting somewhere

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mpoletti

Its quotes like this that cause me to hold out for captive raised specimens

if were talking about RCT that might get me just as excited as the peppermint angel!

ccampbell57 · 09/29/2009, 07:29 PM

I think I know what John is talking about!!!

Indeed going to be very interesting this year...

mpoletti · 09/29/2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ccampbell57

I think I know what John is talking about!!!

Indeed going to be very interesting this year...

Great, Now Chris is pulling a John

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 07:32 PM

my post was a little late ha. but i agree this is going to be a great year! super exciting stuff!

LuvAngels88 · 09/29/2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by copps

That comment was aside from the possibility of Frank coming back...

Now wouldn't THAT be something?!! Exciting times indeed!!

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 07:44 PM

hey luvangels, it was great meeting you at macna!

mpoletti · 09/29/2009, 07:45 PM

The next thing you guys are going to tell me that a pair of Genicanthus personatus are going to be available

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mpoletti

The next thing you guys are going to tell me that a pair of Genicanthus personatus are going to be available

didn't you hear? there was a trio imported yesterday!

basser1 · 09/29/2009, 07:51 PM

Looks like I may need to dip in to the retirement fund!

mpoletti · 09/29/2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fishkid6692

didn't you hear? there was a trio imported yesterday!

Especially when most of the time they live in pairs

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 07:54 PM

lol thats what makes this trio so special

they went to a fish store called my imagination. i heard they have been getting a lot of cool stuff.

mpoletti · 09/29/2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fishkid6692

lol thats what makes this trio so special

they went to a fish store called my imagination. i heard they have been getting a lot of cool stuff.

I hear you there Matt

Mine got shut down because of improper CITIES a few year ago.

fishkid6692 · 09/29/2009, 08:15 PM

LOL. mines still going but keep it on the down low. i don't want them to find my shop.

LuvAngels88 · 09/30/2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fishkid6692

hey luvangels, it was great meeting you at macna!

Hey Matt! It was great meeting you as well! That pair of carmabi is still waiting for you!

Dejavu · 09/30/2009, 04:51 AM

Very Exciting news!

SDguy · 09/30/2009, 06:35 AM

Wow, very exciting news here. I look forward to hearing/seeing more!

dvmsn · 09/30/2009, 07:47 AM

They should hold an online auction. I bet it would go through the roof.

jmaneyapanda · 09/30/2009, 07:55 AM

Heres the crummy thing about this, that I see happening if/when this fish becomes available. Theres is going to be a number of threads criticizing DFSLA for the price, and an number of threads criticizing anyone who would think of buying it.

DFS LA doesnt determine what the cost of the fish, they need to buy it too. And then they mark it up, as completely appropriate. If you think they are being greedy, buy it from another source....oh wait, you cant. Their price will be inline with exactly what it should be, and it would be worth it, for the risk, effort, and care they put into it.

And the second issue is a topic beat to death. I assume someone will buy it up, and hopefully quickly. And to be honst, I hope they DONT post it here. Because it will bother me when people criticize the purchase.

I hope Im wrong.

Mathfreak71 · 09/30/2009, 09:20 AM

I doubt the person who could afford $20000 on a fish is going to care about some negative comments. If you have earned enough money to spend that much on a fish, I am sure worse things have been said about you. Also, you have to be a very self-confident person.

But, I would prefer to discuss the special needs of this fish. I haven't been in this hobby long. But, quickly the Dwarf Angels became my favorite fish. So, someone fill in a newbie like me on the special requirements of such a special fish. I am not even close to in the market for such a fish, but I am still curious about the care. I want to learn as much as I can about this group of fish and such a special occasion can be a great learning moment.

fishkid6692 · 09/30/2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jmaneyapanda

Heres the crummy thing about this, that I see happening if/when this fish becomes available. Theres is going to be a number of threads criticizing DFSLA for the price, and an number of threads criticizing anyone who would think of buying it.

DFS LA doesnt determine what the cost of the fish, they need to buy it too. And then they mark it up, as completely appropriate. If you think they are being greedy, buy it from another source....oh wait, you cant. Their price will be inline with exactly what it should be, and it would be worth it, for the risk, effort, and care they put into it.

And the second issue is a topic beat to death. I assume someone will buy it up, and hopefully quickly. And to be honst, I hope they DONT post it here. Because it will bother me when people criticize the purchase.

I hope Im wrong.

i agree with everything you just said. if someone from RC does buy it and they post they will slammed with rude posts about why they shouldn't have gotten this fish. people get bashed when they spend 2 grand on a fish so i can't imagine what people will say to spending 25 grand. though i do hope to see updated pics of this fish. and give LA props for bringing in this amazing fish! it will command a very high price but there is reason for that.

fishkid6692 · 09/30/2009, 09:23 AM

and i too would like to hear the requirements for keeping this awesome fish.

anbosu · 09/30/2009, 09:28 AM

Well, to start, it only eats candy canes...

copps · 09/30/2009, 09:53 AM

The requirements for this fish are not that many... but the few they have are very important...

The first is temperature... what keeps these fish at depth is temperature, and all of the first specimens sold in 1991 were dead within six weeks... the fish never fed, and you'll read that was the reason... but the fish didn't feed because the temp was too high... which was also the reason with that first specimen shipped to Florida and how it met its fate... temps of around 70 degrees or a bit lower are probably ideal, but we should have more information on their exact temp after this trip pans out (if you are interested in one of these fish, you still have time to set up a system before they are available).

There are other less critical reasons, but worth noting. This fish should probably be kept alone... it's my belief that in these deep reef habitats the fish are not accustomed to the usual squabbling that goes on in the shallow habitats where species diversity and density is high... Also, lighting should be subdued... I have no doubt that these fish can adapt to higher lighting and some competition within the tank, but it's not worth it with this important of a fish... Many species that are found deep in the tropics are found shallow towards more temperate regions... they follow a temperature gradient, not a light gradient...

Also of note not to the species, but rather the subgenus Paracentropyge, which contains two other more available species, is that they are probably the toughest Centropyge to adapt to captivity... not impossible, but only for the advanced aquarist with years of other Centropyge experience... the peppermints closest relative, Centropyge multifasciata, I have extensive experience with... I've kept one over four years in captivity... but they are a tough nut to crack up front... once settled in they can thrive... again, there are no angels that are hard to keep, only those that are hard to adapt... check out the one alive still in captivity here...

http://glassbox-design.com/2008/pepp...eo-ii-feeding/

Of note... this fish was collected small, as they decompress better, and kept cool from the start...

Copps

09/29/2009, 07:29 PM	#54
ccampbell57 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Highlands Ranch, Colorado Posts: 2,138	I think I know what John is talking about!!! Indeed going to be very interesting this year... __________________ ><((((> Chris <))))>< Death, Taxes, and QT'g are the only things I am 100% certain on. Rarity and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Don't ask "how much $" a fish costs but rather "how much enjoyment" will I receive from this animal. Current Tank Info: 1000g Reef system

09/29/2009, 07:32 PM	#56
fishkid6692 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: danbury, CT Posts: 3,193	my post was a little late ha. but i agree this is going to be a great year! super exciting stuff! __________________ ~matt~ Current Tank Info: 180g - 4' by 3' by 2'. bubbleking mini 180, apex controller, (2) vortech mp40's, phosban reactor, geissmen moonlight fixture

09/29/2009, 07:44 PM	#58
fishkid6692 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: danbury, CT Posts: 3,193	hey luvangels, it was great meeting you at macna! __________________ ~matt~ Current Tank Info: 180g - 4' by 3' by 2'. bubbleking mini 180, apex controller, (2) vortech mp40's, phosban reactor, geissmen moonlight fixture

09/29/2009, 07:45 PM	#59
mpoletti You'll never walk alone Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 18,245	The next thing you guys are going to tell me that a pair of Genicanthus personatus are going to be available __________________ -Mark a.) I believe... The curse is a reality b.) Fish poop is your friend c.) Why chase numbers? #CoralsLiketoDisco #ReefSerenity

09/29/2009, 07:54 PM	#63
fishkid6692 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: danbury, CT Posts: 3,193	lol thats what makes this trio so special they went to a fish store called my imagination. i heard they have been getting a lot of cool stuff. __________________ ~matt~ Current Tank Info: 180g - 4' by 3' by 2'. bubbleking mini 180, apex controller, (2) vortech mp40's, phosban reactor, geissmen moonlight fixture

09/29/2009, 07:51 PM	#61
basser1 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: So. Indiana Posts: 1,109	Looks like I may need to dip in to the retirement fund!

09/29/2009, 08:15 PM	#65
fishkid6692 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: danbury, CT Posts: 3,193	LOL. mines still going but keep it on the down low. i don't want them to find my shop. __________________ ~matt~ Current Tank Info: 180g - 4' by 3' by 2'. bubbleking mini 180, apex controller, (2) vortech mp40's, phosban reactor, geissmen moonlight fixture

09/30/2009, 04:51 AM	#67
Dejavu ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,423	Very Exciting news! __________________ Brian June 2013 TOTM Current Tank Info: 270 Starphire by Miracles in GlassBK 250 InternalSequence Blackfin 1800(2) 6105 Tunzes Streams(3) 400 watt Blueline E-Ballast400w 20k Radiums(3) Lumanarc IIIGEO 624 Ca ReactorTunze OsmolotorPM SR45 and TLF PhosBan Reactor 150Apex

09/30/2009, 06:35 AM	#68
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Wow, very exciting news here. I look forward to hearing/seeing more! __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

09/30/2009, 07:47 AM	#69
dvmsn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Surfside Beach, SC Posts: 3,008	They should hold an online auction. I bet it would go through the roof.

09/30/2009, 07:55 AM	#70
jmaneyapanda Commencing hatred Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,784	Heres the crummy thing about this, that I see happening if/when this fish becomes available. Theres is going to be a number of threads criticizing DFSLA for the price, and an number of threads criticizing anyone who would think of buying it. DFS LA doesnt determine what the cost of the fish, they need to buy it too. And then they mark it up, as completely appropriate. If you think they are being greedy, buy it from another source....oh wait, you cant. Their price will be inline with exactly what it should be, and it would be worth it, for the risk, effort, and care they put into it. And the second issue is a topic beat to death. I assume someone will buy it up, and hopefully quickly. And to be honst, I hope they DONT post it here. Because it will bother me when people criticize the purchase. I hope Im wrong. Last edited by jmaneyapanda; 09/30/2009 at 08:20 AM. Reason: my typing is terrribull.

09/30/2009, 09:20 AM	#71
Mathfreak71 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Marion, Illinois Posts: 253	I doubt the person who could afford $20000 on a fish is going to care about some negative comments. If you have earned enough money to spend that much on a fish, I am sure worse things have been said about you. Also, you have to be a very self-confident person. But, I would prefer to discuss the special needs of this fish. I haven't been in this hobby long. But, quickly the Dwarf Angels became my favorite fish. So, someone fill in a newbie like me on the special requirements of such a special fish. I am not even close to in the market for such a fish, but I am still curious about the care. I want to learn as much as I can about this group of fish and such a special occasion can be a great learning moment. __________________ Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. - Thomas Edison Current Tank Info: 75 gallon 3-sided starfire reef tank with 3 AI sol blues

09/30/2009, 09:23 AM	#73
fishkid6692 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: danbury, CT Posts: 3,193	and i too would like to hear the requirements for keeping this awesome fish. __________________ ~matt~ Current Tank Info: 180g - 4' by 3' by 2'. bubbleking mini 180, apex controller, (2) vortech mp40's, phosban reactor, geissmen moonlight fixture

09/30/2009, 09:28 AM	#74
anbosu Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mount Juliet, TN Posts: 4,528	Well, to start, it only eats candy canes...

09/30/2009, 09:53 AM	#75
copps Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,679	The requirements for this fish are not that many... but the few they have are very important... The first is temperature... what keeps these fish at depth is temperature, and all of the first specimens sold in 1991 were dead within six weeks... the fish never fed, and you'll read that was the reason... but the fish didn't feed because the temp was too high... which was also the reason with that first specimen shipped to Florida and how it met its fate... temps of around 70 degrees or a bit lower are probably ideal, but we should have more information on their exact temp after this trip pans out (if you are interested in one of these fish, you still have time to set up a system before they are available). There are other less critical reasons, but worth noting. This fish should probably be kept alone... it's my belief that in these deep reef habitats the fish are not accustomed to the usual squabbling that goes on in the shallow habitats where species diversity and density is high... Also, lighting should be subdued... I have no doubt that these fish can adapt to higher lighting and some competition within the tank, but it's not worth it with this important of a fish... Many species that are found deep in the tropics are found shallow towards more temperate regions... they follow a temperature gradient, not a light gradient... Also of note not to the species, but rather the subgenus Paracentropyge, which contains two other more available species, is that they are probably the toughest Centropyge to adapt to captivity... not impossible, but only for the advanced aquarist with years of other Centropyge experience... the peppermints closest relative, Centropyge multifasciata, I have extensive experience with... I've kept one over four years in captivity... but they are a tough nut to crack up front... once settled in they can thrive... again, there are no angels that are hard to keep, only those that are hard to adapt... check out the one alive still in captivity here... http://glassbox-design.com/2008/pepp...eo-ii-feeding/ Of note... this fish was collected small, as they decompress better, and kept cool from the start... Copps __________________ - John Coppolino September '04 RC TOTM January '11 RC TOTM Buy fish that excite YOU, and respect others' passions. Yes, we know, there's a cheaper and prettier fish than the one we’re talking about. Current Tank Info: displays are 1300 gallon SPS (8.5' x 6' x 42"), 240 gallon anemone, and 350 gallon fish only