Amphiprion Percula Home Breeding - Page 3

CoralsAddiction · 09/10/2016, 02:33 AM

About 80% of the recently hatched clowns are showing their first stripes but still no orange coloration. I did some research on A. Percula breeding and it seems that they can take up to a year or more to fully develop colors, which is kind of a bummer. Ocellaris clowns develop much faster. I'll post a video on Sunday when they turn 14 days old.

OrionN · 09/10/2016, 05:01 AM

See, no death after 2nd night other than the one that got caught in the filter. Be careful or you ended up like me. Had 1000 fish and no way to get rid of them. No way other than ahve to really cull the bad ones and don't start with more than 200 or so.

CoralsAddiction · 09/10/2016, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OrionN

See, no death after 2nd night other than the one that got caught in the filter. Be careful or you ended up like me. Had 1000 fish and no way to get rid of them. No way other than ahve to really cull the bad ones and don't start with more than 200 or so.

Ha, yes. Agree. I am looking forward to taking a little break from culturing rotifers soon.

CoralsAddiction · 09/10/2016, 07:16 AM

I've noticed that about 15 of them adopted algae on the bottom as a host. The problem that may occur is that they won't be able to get otohime. I wish I had used a 10 gallon tank filled half way than a 5.5 gallon tank filled all the way up.

CoralsAddiction · 09/10/2016, 06:15 PM

I might have to cull 3-4 thin and weak clowns tomorrow :/

CoralsAddiction · 09/11/2016, 10:49 AM

Here is a video update of clowns, 14 days old. I've been trying to feed them TDO and haven't fed rotifers since yesterday afternoon. I wanted to stop feeding rotifers on day 10 but didn't have enough confidence in clowns surviving.
Group 1

Group 2

OrionN · 09/11/2016, 08:21 PM

you may want to feed them 1/2 of each for a few days before wean them off rotifers.

CoralsAddiction · 09/11/2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OrionN

you may want to feed them 1/2 of each for a few days before wean them off rotifers.

Will do. Thank you!

CoralsAddiction · 09/11/2016, 11:39 PM

Came home after a night out; took down rotifer station #2; siphoned the hatch tank with a turkey baster; did some culling; did a 20% water change. Harvested 25% of rotifers from station #1 to feed the clowns;; cleaned the rotifer station. It's a lot of work for a Sunday night. But worth it.

CoralsAddiction · 09/13/2016, 06:18 PM

I noticed a couple of days ago that some clowns have their middle stripes showing just a little bit. The middle bars are more apparent now.

CoralsAddiction · 09/14/2016, 09:27 PM

Heavy broodstock feedings 3 times a day caused significant deterioration of my underfiltered 40 gallon reef tank. Now the broodstock gets fed once a day to bring the reef tank back to good shape. Despite the reduced feeding schedule the clowns laid eggs today. It's not a small clutch. They just won't stop :-)

CoralsAddiction · 09/14/2016, 10:18 PM

Here are some of the babies with fat bellies eating away rotifers

Pandagobyguy · 09/15/2016, 08:58 AM

What brand of rotifers are you using?

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CoralsAddiction · 09/15/2016, 09:12 AM

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What brand of rotifers are you using?

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Reed Mariculture, L type

CoralsAddiction · 09/15/2016, 07:00 PM

So, about probiotics...
I went to Petco to pick up some filter sponges to start seeding them for a grow out tank. The fish food section had these marine flakes made by Seachem which I bought. They contain probiotics. Even though the clowns have already gone through meta it probably wouldn't hurt to feed them this food now.
PS
I just pulverized these flakes and fed the clowns. Their feeding response was way better than with TDO. That's surprising because the parents love TDO the most.

OrionN · 09/15/2016, 09:20 PM

I would not buy into the "probiotics" hypes. Probiotic is suppose to be gut bacterial. I doubt that there are any "real live probiotics" in the food, or else you get soiled food. Probiotic bacterial are important if we are exposed to antibiotic that wipe out a lot of our beneficial bacterial population. Other than that it does not do much.

CoralsAddiction · 09/15/2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OrionN

I would not buy into the "probiotics" hypes. Probiotic is suppose to be gut bacterial. I doubt that there are any "real live probiotics" in the food, or else you get soiled food. Probiotic bacterial are important if we are exposed to antibiotic that wipe out a lot of our beneficial bacterial population. Other than that it does not do much.

I see, thank you.
The best thing that came out of new food is that the clown babies went right after it with more enthusiasm. That alone made me happy.

Mo2 · 09/16/2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CoralsAddiction

I see, thank you.
The best thing that came out of new food is that the clown babies went right after it with more enthusiasm. That alone made me happy.

Although I haven't tested probiotics with clowns nor the type of probiotics that Sachem uses in their food, when I was raising seahorses probiotics helped the seahorses grow faster and helped my survival rate. And not just mine alone, if you google Dan Underwood, he swears by the stuff.

CoralsAddiction · 09/16/2016, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo2

And not just mine alone, if you google Dan Underwood, he swears by the stuff.

I'll check it out. There haven't been any negative side effects from Seachem flakes so far. It might become their staple food actually moving forward. TDO pellets seem to polute a tank faster than regular pellets at least in the DT so their use will be limited as time goes on.

CoralsAddiction · 09/16/2016, 11:54 PM

Rotifer station #1 has just been taken down and the clowns haven't eaten rotifers in 2 days. There weren't any losses during that time. I felt comfortable enough to end the rotifer culture. I kept the last harvest and put it in the refrigerator just in case. The harvest might get recycled in a week if there's a need for it.
As far as breeding goes, I seriously doubt I will try raising another clutch in the next 2-3 months. It's been a great experience so far but I don't have the time or space required to continue breeding long term.

CoralsAddiction · 09/17/2016, 02:09 PM

I've culled some skinny, underdeveloped and deformed clowns. Theres about 50 left. A more accurate count will be done in a few days when the clowns get moved to grow out.

fcmatt · 09/17/2016, 04:27 PM

Great thread. Tagging along for the ride. Thank you for posting.

Pandagobyguy · 09/17/2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CoralsAddiction

Reed Mariculture, L type

Thanks!
A little bit gruesome but do you have any pictures of the rejects??
Im just trying to figure out the difference between an acceptable deformity and an unacceptable one.
(Idk if youve heard of the "stubbies" that ORA sells)

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CoralsAddiction · 09/17/2016, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fcmatt

Great thread. Tagging along for the ride. Thank you for posting.

My pleasure

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Originally Posted by Pandagobyguy

Thanks!
A little bit gruesome but do you have any pictures of the rejects??
Im just trying to figure out the difference between an acceptable deformity and an unacceptable one.
(Idk if youve heard of the "stubbies" that ORA sells)

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I don't have any pictures of culled clowns but I might take some next time if I remember. Generally I just look for really thin ones that despite the stripe still look like pre-meta larvae especially compared to the rest of the clowns.
I am familiar with ORA Stubby clowns. I find them funny especially B&W stubby Ocellaris clowns. I once saw a wild caught stubby true percula clown for sale which was weird. Here's a pic of it.

Pandagobyguy · 09/17/2016, 09:09 PM

Wow!! I never thought a stubby could survive in the wild (they dont swim well right?).
Thanks for the info!
My clowns started "dancing" to each other each other just last week. Hopefully ill be raising something by 2017 😂

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09/10/2016, 05:01 AM	#52
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	See, no death after 2nd night other than the one that got caught in the filter. Be careful or you ended up like me. Had 1000 fish and no way to get rid of them. No way other than ahve to really cull the bad ones and don't start with more than 200 or so. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

09/11/2016, 08:21 PM	#57
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	you may want to feed them 1/2 of each for a few days before wean them off rotifers. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

09/15/2016, 07:00 PM	#65
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	So, about probiotics... I went to Petco to pick up some filter sponges to start seeding them for a grow out tank. The fish food section had these marine flakes made by Seachem which I bought. They contain probiotics. Even though the clowns have already gone through meta it probably wouldn't hurt to feed them this food now. PS I just pulverized these flakes and fed the clowns. Their feeding response was way better than with TDO. That's surprising because the parents love TDO the most. Last edited by CoralsAddiction; 09/15/2016 at 07:49 PM.

09/15/2016, 09:20 PM	#66
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	I would not buy into the "probiotics" hypes. Probiotic is suppose to be gut bacterial. I doubt that there are any "real live probiotics" in the food, or else you get soiled food. Probiotic bacterial are important if we are exposed to antibiotic that wipe out a lot of our beneficial bacterial population. Other than that it does not do much. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

09/10/2016, 02:33 AM	#51
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	About 80% of the recently hatched clowns are showing their first stripes but still no orange coloration. I did some research on A. Percula breeding and it seems that they can take up to a year or more to fully develop colors, which is kind of a bummer. Ocellaris clowns develop much faster. I'll post a video on Sunday when they turn 14 days old.

09/10/2016, 07:16 AM	#54
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	I've noticed that about 15 of them adopted algae on the bottom as a host. The problem that may occur is that they won't be able to get otohime. I wish I had used a 10 gallon tank filled half way than a 5.5 gallon tank filled all the way up.

09/10/2016, 06:15 PM	#55
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	I might have to cull 3-4 thin and weak clowns tomorrow :/

09/11/2016, 10:49 AM	#56
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	Here is a video update of clowns, 14 days old. I've been trying to feed them TDO and haven't fed rotifers since yesterday afternoon. I wanted to stop feeding rotifers on day 10 but didn't have enough confidence in clowns surviving. Group 1 Group 2

09/11/2016, 11:39 PM	#59
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	Came home after a night out; took down rotifer station #2; siphoned the hatch tank with a turkey baster; did some culling; did a 20% water change. Harvested 25% of rotifers from station #1 to feed the clowns;; cleaned the rotifer station. It's a lot of work for a Sunday night. But worth it.

09/13/2016, 06:18 PM	#60
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	I noticed a couple of days ago that some clowns have their middle stripes showing just a little bit. The middle bars are more apparent now.

09/14/2016, 09:27 PM	#61
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	Heavy broodstock feedings 3 times a day caused significant deterioration of my underfiltered 40 gallon reef tank. Now the broodstock gets fed once a day to bring the reef tank back to good shape. Despite the reduced feeding schedule the clowns laid eggs today. It's not a small clutch. They just won't stop :-)

09/14/2016, 10:18 PM	#62
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	Here are some of the babies with fat bellies eating away rotifers

09/15/2016, 08:58 AM	#63
Pandagobyguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 333	What brand of rotifers are you using? Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

09/16/2016, 11:54 PM	#70
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	Rotifer station #1 has just been taken down and the clowns haven't eaten rotifers in 2 days. There weren't any losses during that time. I felt comfortable enough to end the rotifer culture. I kept the last harvest and put it in the refrigerator just in case. The harvest might get recycled in a week if there's a need for it. As far as breeding goes, I seriously doubt I will try raising another clutch in the next 2-3 months. It's been a great experience so far but I don't have the time or space required to continue breeding long term.

09/17/2016, 02:09 PM	#71
CoralsAddiction Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: L.A./Tahoe Posts: 6,003	I've culled some skinny, underdeveloped and deformed clowns. Theres about 50 left. A more accurate count will be done in a few days when the clowns get moved to grow out.

09/17/2016, 04:27 PM	#72
fcmatt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NH Posts: 850	Great thread. Tagging along for the ride. Thank you for posting.

09/17/2016, 09:09 PM	#75
Pandagobyguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 333	Wow!! I never thought a stubby could survive in the wild (they dont swim well right?). Thanks for the info! My clowns started "dancing" to each other each other just last week. Hopefully ill be raising something by 2017 😂 Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk