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07/07/2008, 04:46 PM | #26 |
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Tom, from my understanding you want to keep your alk lower than usual at around 7-8. This is why it is so important to read, read and then read some more before jumping into something like this.
I am not saying that that is what is wrong, but it may be a contributing factor. By looking at Miwoodar's above pic I would say that monti's are not usually effected the way you are describing. Sorry to hear about you're losses. Will you be able to save any of them? Spleify -EDIT- Not that an alk of 7-8 is low, just on the lower scale of normal.
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No, actually I like to keep it around 10. When I saw the problem with my Superman, I checked it and realized it had slipped down to about 7. I wanted to slowly bring it back up, and somehow miscalculated and brought it up quicker then I wanted. The reason I switched to the vodka method is I was using Prodibio and saw 0 results for too much $$. I read in the vodka thread that basically all Prodibio was was a carbon source and bacteria and I could pretty much do the same thing via vodka dosing. Am I way off base and misunderstood this?
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From the articles I have read it was my understanding that it was suggested to keep your alk on the lower end, 7-8, rather than the higher end, 10-11.
I have read a few of these threads but I believe this is the one that I am extracting this info from. If I remember correctly it is about 1/2-3/4 of the way through it. I hope this helps, and I hope you will be able to save your effected animals. Spleify
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Thanks bud! I stopped dosing for the past two days now. I plan to let things get back to normal and start again taking notes and baby steps the whole way. Basically, even though I THOUGHT I was going slow, I really wasn't. I believe this is my problem. Thanks again!
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You're very welcome. Good luck!!
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07/09/2008, 06:58 PM | #31 |
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Hi miwoodar how is you recipe wath cuantity of each components.nice colors are there!
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07/09/2008, 08:16 PM | #32 |
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I'm not the expert on this stuff but, IMO, I would just go with Glassbox's VSV recipe linked on the first page of the thread. As far as dosing goes, I would go a lot slower than you often read in the threads (nothing to lose by going slow). I would start off at 0.25 mL/day for any tank and bump it by 0.25 every two weeks watching for nitrate and phosphate (if can actually test for it) reductions. Beyond that, I would watch the tank really closely. Watch for lightening/brightening of your SPS as a good sign. Watch for tannish bacterial growth on the surfaces or whitish cloudy water-borne blooms as signs of overdosing. Lastly, I would recommend watching your corals very closely for signs of adverse effects. If anything appears amiss, pause for a few weeks and begin again - you don't get to pick which bacterias flourish and you might end up in a situation in which a coral is trying to fight something that it is not able to beat at that particular point in time.
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Thanks miwoodar!are this is wath you mix 5ml vodka,1tspnsugar,5mlvinager,15mlRO water.and doing 1ml a day?
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Hey guys i have been looking into this and i was wondering which Prodibio product to use the bio digest or bio digest pro as well as is there a fresh and a salt or are they for both? Also where can you purchase this product? thanks
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hey Mike! Do u mind if i'm asking your vodka dosing recipe? and how much are u dosing /day? do u dose AA as well?
Appreciate for answering :-) Thank!
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I noticed a couple of my acros starting looking dodgy after approx. one month of vodka dosing, all else looked great though.
I have stopped dosing it now, and although I get feck all skimmate in comparison (no skimmer adjustments made), I now seem to have more macro growth. Could be imagining it though. The "sick" acros are now recovering well, and all I did was stop dosing vodders. Anyone else have this observation? Regards Conor.
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after a couple of months, I had the same problem in my 125 gal. I think that the system stops being carbon limited when NO3 and PO4 get low, and the bacteria start doing things they should not. I reduced dosing from 3ml a day to.5ml a day, and everything perked right back up. I would still use the vodka, but at a greatly reduced level.
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miwoodar in the first pic of your tank that growth is crazy so it only took 3 months to get that growth??
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Yup. Those were some very exciting months! I'm not having such good days right now unfortunately. I got some sort of ailment during my tank move and have been battling for the last two months. I'm off the VSV until things clear up.
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Thanks for the reply I also noticed you were dosing VSV and amino acids and also some bacteria culture. What kind of Vinegar and do you know if ozone will counter act when I add amino acids and the VSV solution.
Also is there another product someone could add besides your homemade bacteria culture?
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Is vodka ok to use to get better color, i dont have much algea, but my colors are not that great, and i mean dose the vodka in very small amounts that is.
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i have a ?. do i need a doser to dose vodka or can i add it direct to the system...i have the 34g solana and would add it to the back filteration portion...any help?
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White vinegar - the kind you can buy in the gallon jug (although you'll only need a cup or less even on the very largest of tanks). Be patient and take your time.
I can't comment definitively on the use of ozone. I wouldn't expect it to be a serious concern. Yes, it will kill bacteria but I doubt that it would cause a carbon dosing approach to fail. Commercial product lines are out there. Zeovit, fauna marin, polyp labs, brightwells, and prodibio to name a few. The first two in the list incorporate zeolitic stones and claim the stones support a step in the process. This should help... http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...nftt/index.php
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i have a ?. do i need a doser to dose vodka or can i add it direct to the system...i have the 34g solana and would add it to the back filteration portion...any help?
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I think i read somewhere on here that people do add it to there sump so i dont see why you cant add it to your 34g.
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i want to try it but im afraid to mess up... im doing it to lower nutrients and get rid of a hair and red slime algae bloom
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