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Unread 11/16/2006, 10:00 PM   #151
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damn thats some nice growth for 10 months .


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Unread 11/16/2006, 10:02 PM   #152
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Can't access that link..you need to log in. I'm curious how much gh was used in a 10mo peroid. The vials are measured in IU not MG. Also if you do your research you can find it a lot cheaper than 80 euros. when I was a gym rat gh was going for about $15 an IU now you can find it for $3 to$ 5 an IU
It depends on the coral load. The more corals, the more you have to add. The reason for the HGH addition is to increase the corals metabolism.

Actually you can convert IU to mg or vice versa. For example:
Somatropin- One 6mg Vial 0.2mg or 0.6 IU per day OR Two 6mg vials 0.4mg or 1.2 IU per day . Conversion differs from drug ID.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 04:36 AM   #153
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May I ask a question of both ethical and somewhat technical nature?

Is all this a healthy reefkeeping? Is it right to introduce such methods in the hobby? Do corals really thrive or are we setting a bio-clock-bomb in our setups?

(I am not criticising, in the contrary, I am extremely interested in knowing your opinions! I am nearly determined to do the same, guys, I am not any strict puritanist...!)

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Unread 11/17/2006, 05:14 AM   #154
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what effect have you noticed on the fish?


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Unread 11/17/2006, 05:19 AM   #155
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I love the polyp extension. Is that a result of the hgh or flow?


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Unread 11/17/2006, 05:53 AM   #156
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I love the polyp extension. Is that a result of the hgh or flow?
This could be a number of things. Remember how someone in a previous post said fish are minimal? It could be as something as easy as the coral learns that its polyps will not be bitten off so it can extend freely throughout day/night. It could aso sense the change of nutrients in water just like your LPS/Softies as they open up hoping food will land. A polyp's function is also made for respiration and photosynthesis. Take yourself to the top of Mount Everest.. its harder to breathe.. now take a coral to a low concentrated area.. again.. its trying to "breathe". A polyp's extension may also extend longer due to the light it may be trying to feed off of. Genetics is another. Im sure i missed some other reasons, but it could be due to a number of things.

As for the HGH... no scientific study has shown if it even works, but feeding a high protein diet and adding AA's 4 hours prior to the dosage of the cubes may lead to greater polyp extension. The Blue Coral method reminds me of the ZEOvit method. You have those who will believe because they have seen it from experience and you have those who just dont feel it will work. I noticed that the Italians had long disucssions over this with closed threads. The ZEOvit method also had this effect even in Germany.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 05:57 AM   #157
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Does a polyp feed off of light???


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Unread 11/17/2006, 06:05 AM   #158
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In this tread are shown tanks that uses Zeovit system (Brulz one), tanks that uses XAqua system (Alexalbe one, the Xaqua system is a zeo like system), thanks with the Blu Coral method and tanks with other simple method. I think this can make misunderstandings.

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Unread 11/17/2006, 06:09 AM   #159
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Does a polyp feed off of light???
zooxanthellae live symbiotically on the coral's polyp.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 06:19 AM   #160
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very nice


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Unread 11/17/2006, 07:32 AM   #161
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In this tread are shown tanks that uses Zeovit system (Brulz one), tanks that uses XAqua system (Alexalbe one, the Xaqua system is a zeo like system), thanks with the Blu Coral method and tanks with other simple method. I think this can make misunderstandings.

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I was wondering what Xaqua was. I saw it on a couple of people's signature. Is this an italian brand?


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Unread 11/17/2006, 07:44 AM   #162
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I was wondering what Xaqua was. I saw it on a couple of people's signature. Is this an italian brand?
Yes Edward, it's an Italian "new" system, if i'm correct it's about one year old.

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Unread 11/17/2006, 08:48 AM   #163
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So what is "the simple method"...

Intense lighting, strong flow and overfeeding (the corals, fish or both)?


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Unread 11/17/2006, 09:09 AM   #164
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Still wanting to know what most over there are using to bring their MG levels up. I know there are many methods; just curious about what they are doing in Italy.

I'd also like to know if there are tanks where people are doing the high feed protien mix WITHOUT the HGH and what is their growth rates.

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Unread 11/17/2006, 09:13 AM   #165
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Still wanting to know what most over there are using to bring their MG levels up. I know there are many methods; just curious about what they are doing in Italy.

I'd also like to know if there are tanks where people are doing the high feed protien mix WITHOUT the HGH and what is their growth rates.

Thanks,

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Todd, if you are having issues bringing Mg levels up, you may want to raise your salinity levels (concetration is stronger). You may also want to check your salt brand. But like I said in a previous post, you can use a reactor with lower PH to dissolve the Mg media. I know you are looking for the Italian way.. but maybe this will get you started off somewhere.

The method without the HGH reminds of the Eric Borneman coral food.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 09:25 AM   #166
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So what is "the simple method"...

Intense lighting, strong flow and overfeeding (the corals, fish or both)?
Yes Ceak,

intense lighting, strong flow, food always available for corals as Ca. I don't' suggest the overfeeding in young tanks, it' necessary to have a really mature tank to do it.

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Unread 11/17/2006, 12:00 PM   #167
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Ok I would like to thank everyone that has posted information and pictures to this tread. I would like to participate with HGH were do I obtain it and how much of it do I add? I know that there is no such thing as a Magic Bullet but here in America everything is shunned upon if it is not a marketing issue. Lets try and keep our minds open to this new technology and see if it will work first before some of us bash it or say things like is this ethical to add HGH to our tanks. If anyone would like to share information with me private please do so. I have always kept an open mind towards others in different parts of the world to see what they do and try and apply this to my own setup. I would really like to know more about these tanks but I can’t read Italian from some of the links. The tanks pictured above are of incredible magnitude and should be in my opinion look at further for future reference as to how to keep reef aquaria. Please do not take anything I say as bashing but threads like this always get closed because people start hating on each other and I for one would like to learn more about this………………keep the info rolling.
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what effect have you noticed on the fish?
Increased acne, back hair, and a sharp increase in aggressive behavior.





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Unread 11/17/2006, 01:34 PM   #169
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LOL, all this HGH stuff makes me laugh...

HGH - Human Growth Hormone's are steroids which are illegal in the US and you will go to jail if you get caught with it.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 02:41 PM   #170
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If you want to know more about the HGH blu coral method.. here's some more info (credit goes to Fabio-Sir who has used this system and is also at 1600mg):

HGH is not absorbed by the coral, but it affects its cellularly (membrane level) creating special proteins. Theoriticaly that is.

In order to prevent high PO4/Nitrates, you can use a ice cube tray to make this solution and slice them up even more dosing 2-3 times a week. It all depends on the coral load.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 02:55 PM   #171
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Hmmm HGH. If it makes my Oregon Tort grow faster I might risk jail time. lol


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HGH is just a generic term, there are hundred of different "hgh" drugs. Whatever they are using seems to be working. Any Idea what its called or who makes it.

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Unread 11/17/2006, 03:45 PM   #173
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At least one of the tanks had A LOT of fish. It was several pages back or on one of the links. They were larger fish, too. I think they were tangs. I'll have to go back and look, but I know I saw one that had unbelieveable growth and color that contained quite a few and fairly large ones at that.


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Unread 11/17/2006, 04:00 PM   #174
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This is the best thread I have seen to date, I can only dream of having such an awsome tank as the ones I have just seen and thank Invincible for sharing them with us. Cheers


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Unread 11/17/2006, 04:07 PM   #175
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so are the chromis as big as tangs now?


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