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Unread 01/21/2016, 01:18 PM   #7501
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Is he using a radiator or just sheer water mass to keep the pipes cool?
You can see the little DIY radiator in that picture above.
Here it is under construction



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Unread 01/21/2016, 02:01 PM   #7502
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Thanks guys, I'm going back over e box as we speak with more Weldon and hen maybe some superglue if that doesn't work.

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Unread 01/22/2016, 10:49 AM   #7503
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meant to post this here.

I see BRS highlighted ATS in a refugium and has some video of Turbo's and SantaMonica's.
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/52-weeks/week-27.html


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Unread 01/22/2016, 11:25 AM   #7504
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Turbo and Santa will probably get inundated with orders now. Nice video and huge kudos/support to ATS usage.


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Unread 01/22/2016, 11:50 AM   #7505
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This is such a great thread and topic. Have been reading for weeks. (Floyd I even spent an entire flight reading all the posts listed in your signature -- so helpful to do that BTW).

Yet I'm still confused on how I should go about my design. So I apologize in advance but I'm gonna ask what might be dumb questions:


- I have the space and want to plan for eventually a high bioload. Right now I'm only at @2 cubes per day. Eventually I want to support about 5 cubes per day.

- I have a 75 gallon tank (4' long) as my sump to support the build, so I think I'm good on space.

- I can DIY everything needed but dont think I have the time to learn how to DIY the LEDS. I want pre-made LEDS on both sides.


Questions:

- what size should I start with?

- should I start out right away to support the 5 cubes? thought I read that might not be good.

- based on the above can you recommend a some LEDs I can buy pre-made?

Everything else I think I'm good to go. This could be the best addition I've ever made to my tank!



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Unread 01/22/2016, 01:24 PM   #7506
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I recommend not going too much over 2x what you feed, but that means don't build a scrubber made to aggresively filter 4 cubes/day and then put it on a 2 cube/day fed tank. That will result in the growth spreading out and it might not grow very green.

If you build a 4 cube/day scrubber and then use 1/2 the light or shorten the photoperiod, essentially you are limiting the scrubber capacity to match the tank. You will still get growth that is more spread out but it should still be OK, but if you built say an 8 cube/day scrubber and put it on a 2 cube/day tank, you might run into more troubles trying to limit capacity.

I would say, build your 5 cube/day scrubber and use a stock fixture that you would need 2 per side, but only buy 2 and use one per side. When you are ready for more filtration, buy the other 2.

If you look for IP66 or IP67 multi-chip LED fixtures in the growth spectrum, you should find many to choose from.

For 5 cubes/day = 60 sq in, you will want between .25-.50 w/sq in so between 15 and 30 W on each side. So shoot for the higher number of 30 per side (fudge factor for stock fixtures) and that means ideally 4x 15W fixtures. But since they typically come as 10, 20, 40, etc, go with 20W.

One 20W per side now, and then buy a second pair later.


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Unread 01/22/2016, 02:02 PM   #7507
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Got mine holding water and running now!no more leaks. I'm running 2 cfl bulbs on it now until my LEDs get here.

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Unread 01/22/2016, 03:17 PM   #7508
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Should I run it 9hours to start or more?

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Unread 01/22/2016, 03:53 PM   #7509
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For CFL, at least 9 hours. Probably 12


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Unread 01/22/2016, 11:37 PM   #7510
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To break it in?

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Unread 01/23/2016, 03:00 PM   #7511
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yeah, generally with CFLs you can run them longer because they aren't as intense as LEDs, so really you could go to 18 hours right out of the gate, but I would go 12 and see how it starts. If by day 3 or 4 you have a good brown diatom/slime coating, go to 16-18


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Unread 01/23/2016, 03:55 PM   #7512
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I recommend not going too much over 2x what you feed, but that means don't build a scrubber made to aggresively filter 4 cubes/day and then put it on a 2 cube/day fed tank. That will result in the growth spreading out and it might not grow very green.

If you build a 4 cube/day scrubber and then use 1/2 the light or shorten the photoperiod, essentially you are limiting the scrubber capacity to match the tank. You will still get growth that is more spread out but it should still be OK, but if you built say an 8 cube/day scrubber and put it on a 2 cube/day tank, you might run into more troubles trying to limit capacity.

I would say, build your 5 cube/day scrubber and use a stock fixture that you would need 2 per side, but only buy 2 and use one per side. When you are ready for more filtration, buy the other 2.

If you look for IP66 or IP67 multi-chip LED fixtures in the growth spectrum, you should find many to choose from.

For 5 cubes/day = 60 sq in, you will want between .25-.50 w/sq in so between 15 and 30 W on each side. So shoot for the higher number of 30 per side (fudge factor for stock fixtures) and that means ideally 4x 15W fixtures. But since they typically come as 10, 20, 40, etc, go with 20W.

One 20W per side now, and then buy a second pair later.

Thanks for the feedback Lloyd. I'm totally clueless with the LEDS so did some searches for "ip66 led fixture 20w" and "20w led fixture ip66" and don't seem to be getting anything. Am I looking for these outdoor light fixtures?? What's the ideal configuration? Is it a single LED or a couple of them along a strip.


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Unread 01/23/2016, 04:44 PM   #7513
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Google "Led grow flood light" , you will see a lot of IP65 lights and these are OK, IP66 is just a bit better.

These are warm white IP66, I haven't searched much for growth-spectrum versions of it but I know they are out there
http://www.lightingever.com/led-floo...lor-warm_white

The housing you see in the one above is becoming very commonly used for multichip fixtures


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Unread 01/23/2016, 05:43 PM   #7514
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Ah, I see now. So if I'm aiming for 40 W per side I could use something like this, two of them arranged on each side:

http://www.amazon.com/ZITRADES-Hydro.../dp/B00KL8OW0U




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Unread 01/23/2016, 11:52 PM   #7515
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AhSo if I'm aiming for 40 W per side
These are some pretty bright lights.

I have a 30w version 6500k and its bright.


isn't the 10w red grow light one plenty for GHA ? like Floyd is suggesting ?


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Unread 01/23/2016, 11:56 PM   #7516
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Google "Led grow flood light" , you will see a lot of IP65 lights and these are OK, IP66 is just a bit better.

These are warm white IP66, I haven't searched much for growth-spectrum versions of it but I know they are out there
http://www.lightingever.com/led-floo...lor-warm_white

The housing you see in the one above is becoming very commonly used for multichip fixtures


Would 2 of these 10w be enough for a 8" X 13" screen Floyd?


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Unread 01/24/2016, 09:45 AM   #7517
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(Floyd I even spent an entire flight reading all the posts listed in your signature -- so helpful to do that BTW)
Funny you say that, because not only did I do exactly the same thing, a passenger sitting behind me could see what I was reading and while deboarding he said that he had just read those write-ups for his tank as well!

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Unread 01/24/2016, 12:22 PM   #7518
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Unless you're flying to a MACNA, it's amazing that two reef keepers were sitting so close on a plane... we're not exactly well represented in most populations. LOL


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Unless you're flying to a MACNA, it's amazing that two reef keepers were sitting so close on a plane... we're not exactly well represented in most populations. LOL
Wow, great story Spar. And very true karimwassef!


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The 20w light is probably good for each side. They tend to be under-driven, so you are probably just getting 10 real LED watts.


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Would 2 of these 10w be enough for a 8" X 13" screen Floyd?
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For 5 cubes/day = 60 sq in, you will want between .25-.50 w/sq in so between 15 and 30 W on each side. So shoot for the higher number of 30 per side (fudge factor for stock fixtures) and that means ideally 4x 15W fixtures. But since they typically come as 10, 20, 40, etc, go with 20W.
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8x13=108, .25-.50 w/sq in per side, so between 25+ and 50+ per side, so you will want to shoot toward the higher end or 40-50W per side IMO - so 2x20W per side, which would probably work better than a single 40W since you can center one on each half (each covers an 8x7 area, roughly)


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Referencing the above

8x13=108, .25-.50 w/sq in per side, so between 25+ and 50+ per side, so you will want to shoot toward the higher end or 40-50W per side IMO - so 2x20W per side, which would probably work better than a single 40W since you can center one on each half (each covers an 8x7 area, roughly)

Thank you!!!!!!

I already have 1 30w 6500k so adding another 30w in red may be just what the doctored ordered.


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I have read much but not all of this thread. I am pretty much a try something simple first. Is the setup in the original post still a reasonable place to start? What advances besides LED lights have there been?




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That's a good start. If you paint the inside of the reflectors white, and the outside black, it will be better.

And if water sprays, you could cover the whole thing with plastic wrap.

Other than that, waterfalls are still the same. Upflows are of course new.


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Does my overflow scrubber count as new?

It is powered by the residual MH so costs nothing
And it doesn't require construction of a box or any additional plumbing, so it takes up no additional room

If it costs nothing and takes up no room but provides great benefits - it's a singularity ATS.


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