EcoTech Marine Introduces the Radion XR30w LED Light

[Dre59]

Will their be an app?

[Texsun]

Tim, for a 30" long tank, can one Radion handle if hung at 10" or slightly higher and lengthwise?

[ganjero]

Originally Posted by rtparty

Ecotech reps claimed that there is no difference in humidity from the top of the fixture and the bottom.

I would like to know how salt or water is going to get to that USB port if it is 8" or more away? A fish might splash every once in a while but I wouldn't worry about it. I am also pretty sure you can go buy a USB cover that will cover it nicely.

It will happen in big tanks. I’m just pointing out tha the usb is not in the best location (plus is uncovered), if you are paying that much money everything should be designed carefully. Even if a USB cover cost 0.99, they should include it. IMO that connector should have been placed somewhere else and with a little cover that can be tightly closed. BTW salt will not evaporate but small particles will be present in the air (Just like dust, pollen, etc) that’s how the fans will suck it in and that’s how it also can get in the USB port. Splashing will also happen which will bring salt in through the fans.

[ganjero]

Nevermind (offtopic)

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by ganjero

It will happen in big tanks. I’m just pointing out tha the usb is not in the best location (plus is uncovered), if you are paying that much money everything should be designed carefully. Even if a USB cover cost 0.99, they should include it. IMO that connector should have been placed somewhere else and with a little cover that can be tightly closed. BTW salt will not evaporate but small particles will be present in the air (Just like dust, pollen, etc) that’s how the fans will suck it in and that’s how it also can get in the USB port. Splashing will also happen which will bring salt in through the fans.

Ganjero-

The units shown at MACNA were pre-production and lacked the USB dust cover which will come with production units.

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by ganjero

This is a statment without foundations. How would you know his pumps are too high? Maybe is a shallow tank, maybe that's where they need to be because of the rock work or the sand bed, etc, etc, etc.

I have to ask, why are you so determined to discredit the features of the Radion? If you'd like me to answer questions that you have about the Radion, please ask and I'd be happy to do so. Otherwise please realize that this is a vendor area and considering that the Radion is not available for sale, any accusations you have about its future performance are also statements without foundation.

[ganjero]

Originally Posted by EcoTech Marine

I have to ask, why are you so determined to discredit the features of the Radion? If you'd like me to answer questions that you have about the Radion, please ask and I'd be happy to do so. Otherwise please realize that this is a vendor area and considering that the Radion is not available for sale, any accusations you have about its future performance are also statements without foundation.

Sorry that last posts was offtopic and I should've not posted it. I love your pumps, and will probably at some point get the lights (depending on how they perform). I just noticed the usb port and pointed that out, and the fans I do not like where they are located. BTW I have not made any accusations about the light performance, everything that I said has to do with corrosion.

What material are the fans made of? Do you have pictures of the inside of the fixture? Just curious to see what are you guys doing to prevent corrosion in there to.

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by ganjero

Sorry that last posts was offtopic and I should've not posted it. I love your pumps, and will probably at some point get the lights (depending on how they perform). I just noticed the usb port and pointed that out, and the fans I do not like where they are located.

No problem!

I can understand one's concern with the fans being on the bottom but we have tested this and there are no issues that were not also present with a fan on the top. Occasional splashing is actually not that big of an issue to a fan. The hardest condition for any fan is when the operating environment is sealed, such as within a canopy. When the fans are open to the room's air there is very little issue. Also, the channel that the fan blows into is completely separate from the electronics portion and we've inspected Radion fans run in extreme environments and have never seen salt within the electronics chamber.

Our fan can be kept in good health through basic maintenance of blowing the dust out every month or so and wiping down any salt that may get on it, plus it is replaceable and economically so. Lastly it is a very high quality NMB fan.

[wesleyforbes2]

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[ganjero]

Originally Posted by EcoTech Marine

No problem!

I can understand one's concern with the fans being on the bottom but we have tested this and there are no issues that were not also present with a fan on the top. Occasional splashing is actually not that big of an issue to a fan. The hardest condition for any fan is when the operating environment is sealed, such as within a canopy. When the fans are open to the room's air there is very little issue. Also, the channel that the fan blows into is completely separate from the electronics portion and we've inspected Radion fans run in extreme environments and have never seen salt within the electronics chamber.

Our fan can be kept in good health through basic maintenance of blowing the dust out every month or so and wiping down any salt that may get on it, plus it is replaceable and economically so. Lastly it is a very high quality NMB fan.

Thanks, that's good information regarding the fans.

[wesleyforbes2]

I have a question in regards to the added red and green led's. How do you respond to what others have said about those being harmful to corals and that they are useless. Keep in mind that I have already pre-ordered two units, but need to hear straight from you I guess for peace of mind.

Also, I understand that they will not be out until next month, but can we download the manual from your site before then. I'd like to read up on it before I get it so that I am ready once they get here. ;-)

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[Chooch1]

Tim,

Thanks for the reply. You mentioned that I might consider adding a fourth Radion unit over my 72" x 24" x24" tank. I thought that each Radion unit was good for a 24" x 24" area. Can you elaborate? Thanks.

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by wesleyforbes2

I have a question in regards to the added red and green led's. How do you respond to what others have said about those being harmful to corals and that they are useless. Keep in mind that I have already pre-ordered two units, but need to hear straight from you I guess for peace of mind.

Also, I understand that they will not be out until next month, but can we download the manual from your site before then. I'd like to read up on it before I get it so that I am ready once they get here. ;-)

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To say that red and green are useless wavelengths to include is not accurate. To say that the amount of red we've added to the Radion is dangerous is wrong. Check out the spectral plots of an Ushio and Radium bulb (attached), two of the most popular MH's on the market. You will see plenty of red and green in those spectra and its because of this red and green that your corals color up the way they do. Also note that the bulbs presented are 400w bulbs run on the most expensive ballasts. The Radion is really close to these two lamps! Especially the Ushio. We are proud of what we've accomplished and the results that we'll all see over time will make our customers proud too.

The spectrum below was provided by Sanjay Joshi and presented during his speech last weekend at MACNA in Des Moines.

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by Chooch1

Tim,

Thanks for the reply. You mentioned that I might consider adding a fourth Radion unit over my 72" x 24" x24" tank. I thought that each Radion unit was good for a 24" x 24" area. Can you elaborate? Thanks.

Good for 24x24 or every 40gal. There is no hard-set rule for how many units to use over a tank just yet, but four units would be recommended based on my experience for this size tank. The more customers receive the lights the more accurately we'll be able to make recommendations based on experience. We'd definitely prefer to be conservative in our claims and ensure that your tank has enough light, especially initially.

[reefsurfing]

Great Job, finally a company that has addressed the end users concerns (Spectrum/Looks) and done it very tastefully. I was really perplexed however to see the older LED technology and no XM'L's, After reading the thread and seeing most of my concerns answered I will be pre ordering two. I would still like to know why XPE's/XPG's were chosen over XML's or a neutral white alternative?

[wesleyforbes2]

Thanks for answering my question regarding the red and green led's. How about the manual? And looking forward to response on the type of led used for the light.

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[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by reefsurfing

Great Job, finally a company that has addressed the end users concerns (Spectrum/Looks) and done it very tastefully. I was really perplexed however to see the older LED technology and no XM'L's, After reading the thread and seeing most of my concerns answered I will be pre ordering two. I would still like to know why XPE's/XPG's were chosen over XML's or a neutral white alternative?

XM-L is superior to XP-G on a lumen-per-watt basis, but is worse from a lumen-per-dollar standpoint. We packed a lot of features into the Radion and while it may have been more efficient had we used XM-L's, we were able to get similar number of lumens by using XP-G's run at 5w while keeping the price down.

Cool white still offers better PAR for a reef tank, with the spikes in the lower wavelength side of the spectrum. Adding red and green fills out the spectrum which cool white leaves empty while also offering precise control over these wavelengths.

[EcoTech Marine]

Originally Posted by wesleyforbes2

Thanks for answering my question regarding the red and green led's. How about the manual? And looking forward to response on the type of led used for the light.

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We won't have the manual available until the product starts shipping. As for LED type, this is disclosed on our website: www.ecotechmarine.com

[wesleyforbes2]

My corals are coming from an ATI Powermodule, how would you suggest acclimating my corals to the Radion, maybe starting at 50% intensity if mounted 8" above the tank?

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[chercm]

If I have a 4x2x2 ft tank how many units do I need ? When will iy be available in Singapore ?

[pmrossetti]

Originally Posted by chercm

if i have a 4x2x2 ft tank how many units do i need ? When will iy be available in singapore ?

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[Bobbofin]

I'm waiting for the manual and software to be avaiable for review and see one in person. I love Pacific Sun's software. I downloaded it for free and checked it out. We need a complete review of the Radion fixture, the manual and the software. I'm holding off until spring. Now that summer's over I can run my mh/t5 set up for another six months and not have to worry about the killer a/c bills. I don't feel like being a guinea pig, I'm waiting, watching and reading.

[SkullV]

Tim et. al,

What kind of reliability/heat/spectrum shift testing have you done with running the XP-G at 5w? I'm mostly sold, but the prospect of the diode not dealing with the heat long term (50k hours?) is the only think still keeping me on the fence.

[wesleyforbes2]

Reef builders has a video of the Radion at MACNA!

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[madweazl]

I'm really interested in these lights but I fear my tank dimensions may be a poor match for this setup. I have a 26g flatback hex that measure 36" x 12" x 12". Any way to make this fixture feasible for my tanks dimensions?