265G show + 125G sump - Reef Tank project in a constant evolution - Page 2

CuzzA · 05/27/2015, 02:59 PM

In that case I don't see you needing much more. You'll have the room for a ATS, Bio, Pellet reactor, etc. if you decide to increase your stock levels or have nutrient export issues.

But at this point there's not much else I would put in the sump.

BlackShark087 · 05/27/2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CuzzA

In that case I don't see you needing much more. You'll have the room for a ATS, Bio, Pellet reactor, etc. if you decide to increase your stock levels or have nutrient export issues.

But at this point there's not much else I would put in the sump.

Ok thank you so much.

Mike Hart · 05/27/2015, 07:34 PM

Blackshark
I am just wrapping up a new 420 tank with a 180 sump. Started with sump under the stand.... the more I looked at it all jammed tight I went to plan b...or more of back to plan A... moved sump in basement... spread out everything... makes cleaning and automation easier...when you move water from one end to another over weirs... it eliminates micro bubbles... just my .02

ca1ore · 05/27/2015, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dave.m

You wrote me asking me to comment on your thread,

You too! And there I was thinking , 'I'm special'.

ca1ore · 05/27/2015, 08:54 PM

My sump-isms:

1. Thumbs up on a basement sump. Makes lots of things possible that an in-stand does not; whole lot less swearing too

2. Socks are pointless IME
3. My sump goes: settling/heater/reactor chamber, clam refugium, chaeto refugium, bubble trap, then return/ATO.

BlackShark087 · 05/27/2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

You too! And there I was thinking , 'I'm special'.

Well yes you are all kind of special I spoted guys that seam to have similar build or with good experience. I hopethat someday I will be able to share back all the experience you transfered to me.

ca1ore · 05/27/2015, 09:00 PM

Î was just kidding ....

BTW, meant to ask, how are you doing those cool sump drawings? Some kind of architectural/rendering program.

BlackShark087 · 05/27/2015, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Hart

Blackshark
I am just wrapping up a new 420 tank with a 180 sump. Started with sump under the stand.... the more I looked at it all jammed tight I went to plan b...or more of back to plan A... moved sump in basement... spread out everything... makes cleaning and automation easier...when you move water from one end to another over weirs... it eliminates micro bubbles... just my .02

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

My sump-isms:

1. Thumbs up on a basement sump. Makes lots of things possible that an in-stand does not; whole lot less swearing too

2. Socks are pointless IME
3. My sump goes: settling/heater/reactor chamber, clam refugium, chaeto refugium, bubble trap, then return/ATO.

Dont have a real basement, only a service basement (3 feet high) -_- tomorow I will take a picture of my space under the tank its not so bad. My solution is my loop to the garage with 2X 1inch pvc pipes. but again its only a restricted space in a closet. So I need to take decision on what go in the garage an keep it simple. so quarantine and refugium thats it. I have a tiny house with a monster tank XD

BlackShark087 · 05/27/2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

Î was just kidding ....

BTW, meant to ask, how are you doing those cool sump drawings? Some kind of architectural/rendering program.

Haha not at all --> Google SketchUp, I have an older free version I dont know about the new version what happen after 30days of trial.

http://www.sketchup.com/

Link for all the versions :

http://www.sketchup.com/fr/download/all

Hockeynut120 · 05/27/2015, 09:19 PM

I have to agree with some others to allow the flow from one end of your sump to the other is a much simpler design which in turn will make it easier for you to do maintenance. I run a 180 with a 75gal sump and have a very minimalistic tank and have just a couple live rocks in my center ref section. I run 1-7" sock I also have a Herbie. You will find thy do not like socks but that's another whole discussion.
It seems your whole design is based on the fact you have a 12" skimmer (why) there are plenty of 10" or even 8" skimmers that are powerhouses that can handle a tank like you are describing.
Think simple straight flow big open sections that are easy to clean.

BlackShark087 · 05/27/2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeynut120

I have to agree with some others to allow the flow from one end of your sump to the other is a much simpler design which in turn will make it easier for you to do maintenance. I run a 180 with a 75gal sump and have a very minimalistic tank and have just a couple live rocks in my center ref section. I run 1-7" sock I also have a Herbie. You will find thy do not like socks but that's another whole discussion.
It seems your whole design is based on the fact you have a 12" skimmer (why) there are plenty of 10" or even 8" skimmers that are powerhouses that can handle a tank like you are describing.
Think simple straight flow big open sections that are easy to clean.

Dont you think my last drawing represent that? simple as 5 pieces of puzzle.
considering that I have double Herbie that need to go in the center for a better drop.

I am pretty focused on skimmer - JNS ConeS Q-6

Only have one last thing not easy to service its the middle sock but by the time this one clog ... gonna take a while. Its really just a back up.

dave.m · 05/27/2015, 11:45 PM

In my experience socks are usually clogged in four days. You will be changing these out twice a week once your tank gains some maturity, so make sure they're easy to access.

Dave.M

BlackShark087 · 05/28/2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dave.m

In my experience socks are usually clogged in four days. You will be changing these out twice a week once your tank gains some maturity, so make sure they're easy to access.

Dave.M

Hum, dave you think I should onlyremove the third bag? Or instead of a drilled plate I should place 3 hanger side by side ?

dave.m · 05/28/2015, 08:37 AM

I think they should be in a row, yes, but not under the support bar. Is it really a support bar or just a plastic strand that does nothing structural?

Dave.M

BlackShark087 · 05/28/2015, 09:58 AM

I dont know if its structural ...

CuzzA · 05/28/2015, 10:03 AM

Do not remove the center cross brace!

Mike Hart · 05/28/2015, 08:45 PM

Why not have the water column drop on the end? Also dropping the water straight into the socks is not the best way. Drop the water into a chamber.... lets water bubbles flow up an gives you better access to the socks... here is my setup...

BlackShark087 · 05/28/2015, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Hart

Why not have the water column drop on the end? Also dropping the water straight into the socks is not the best way. Drop the water into a chamber.... lets water bubbles flow up an gives you better access to the socks... here is my setup...

Nice colors! I prefer in the center tu run double herbi, full herbi in socks should be fine, dropping in the chamber seem to creat a zone that the dirt accumulate. I started my plan with a chamber like this. And people said better without it. Honestly I think its even harder to replace socks without chamber

stephane · 05/29/2015, 07:34 PM

Tagging so I could watch you Robert

BlackShark087 · 05/29/2015, 11:10 PM

Improved with a 18 gallons refugium and ATO switch.
Reactors if needed will be hanged up over the tank.

I should be close of a good setup for my needs now.

dave.m · 05/30/2015, 05:06 PM

fixed

klondike4001 · 06/01/2015, 07:40 PM

Another Habs fan here, originally from Pincourt.

From personal expirience having an overly busy or crowded sump causes issues down the line with maintenance. Mainly the difficulty of getting into certain crowded areas of the sump to access things like the return pump, and cleaning detritus from the smaller chambers.

Good luck on your new build, your stand looks awesome by the way.

BlackShark087 · 06/01/2015, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by klondike4001

Another Habs fan here, originally from Pincourt.

From personal expirience having an overly busy or crowded sump causes issues down the line with maintenance. Mainly the difficulty of getting into certain crowded areas of the sump to access things like the return pump, and cleaning detritus from the smaller chambers.

Good luck on your new build, your stand looks awesome by the way.

Thank you

BlackShark087 · 06/01/2015, 08:01 PM

Ok so ! why no try many concept as possible ! This sump was getting too complicated. here is My KISS version (Keep It Simple ST@&%) Tell Me your feedbacks Pro & cons I want as much opinion possible here we go -->

quahreef · 06/03/2015, 11:20 AM

Did you have to reinforce your floor? For your returns it's sealed on the bottom so it goes up and in the sock? Also not sure how your doing your bubble trap. A skimmer will introduce micro bubbles which impacts perceived visibility

05/27/2015, 07:34 PM	#28
Mike Hart Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 46	Blackshark I am just wrapping up a new 420 tank with a 180 sump. Started with sump under the stand.... the more I looked at it all jammed tight I went to plan b...or more of back to plan A... moved sump in basement... spread out everything... makes cleaning and automation easier...when you move water from one end to another over weirs... it eliminates micro bubbles... just my .02 Last edited by Mike Hart; 05/27/2015 at 07:36 PM. Reason: mispell

05/27/2015, 08:54 PM	#30
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	My sump-isms: 1. Thumbs up on a basement sump. Makes lots of things possible that an in-stand does not; whole lot less swearing too 2. Socks are pointless IME 3. My sump goes: settling/heater/reactor chamber, clam refugium, chaeto refugium, bubble trap, then return/ATO. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

05/27/2015, 09:00 PM	#32
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Î was just kidding .... BTW, meant to ask, how are you doing those cool sump drawings? Some kind of architectural/rendering program. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

05/27/2015, 11:45 PM	#37
dave.m Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canadia Posts: 4,276	In my experience socks are usually clogged in four days. You will be changing these out twice a week once your tank gains some maturity, so make sure they're easy to access. Dave.M __________________ My Gawd! It's full of corals! Current Tank Info: None. Nil. Zip. Nada.

05/28/2015, 08:37 AM	#39
dave.m Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canadia Posts: 4,276	I think they should be in a row, yes, but not under the support bar. Is it really a support bar or just a plastic strand that does nothing structural? Dave.M __________________ My Gawd! It's full of corals! Current Tank Info: None. Nil. Zip. Nada.

05/27/2015, 02:59 PM	#26
CuzzA Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 2,997	In that case I don't see you needing much more. You'll have the room for a ATS, Bio, Pellet reactor, etc. if you decide to increase your stock levels or have nutrient export issues. But at this point there's not much else I would put in the sump.

05/27/2015, 09:19 PM	#35
Hockeynut120 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 65	I have to agree with some others to allow the flow from one end of your sump to the other is a much simpler design which in turn will make it easier for you to do maintenance. I run a 180 with a 75gal sump and have a very minimalistic tank and have just a couple live rocks in my center ref section. I run 1-7" sock I also have a Herbie. You will find thy do not like socks but that's another whole discussion. It seems your whole design is based on the fact you have a 12" skimmer (why) there are plenty of 10" or even 8" skimmers that are powerhouses that can handle a tank like you are describing. Think simple straight flow big open sections that are easy to clean.

05/28/2015, 09:58 AM	#40
BlackShark087 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Quebec Posts: 74	I dont know if its structural ... __________________ 265 Gallons Reef in progress ... Building thread : http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2504882 Current Tank Info: 265G Show + 125G sump

05/28/2015, 10:03 AM	#41
CuzzA Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 2,997	Do not remove the center cross brace!

05/29/2015, 07:34 PM	#44
stephane Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Montreal,Canada Posts: 864	Tagging so I could watch you Robert Last edited by stephane; 05/29/2015 at 07:42 PM.

05/29/2015, 11:10 PM	#45
BlackShark087 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Quebec Posts: 74	Improved with a 18 gallons refugium and ATO switch. Reactors if needed will be hanged up over the tank. I should be close of a good setup for my needs now. __________________ 265 Gallons Reef in progress ... Building thread : http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2504882 Current Tank Info: 265G Show + 125G sump

05/30/2015, 05:06 PM	#46
dave.m Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canadia Posts: 4,276	fixed __________________ My Gawd! It's full of corals! Current Tank Info: None. Nil. Zip. Nada.

06/01/2015, 07:40 PM	#47
klondike4001 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 377	Another Habs fan here, originally from Pincourt. From personal expirience having an overly busy or crowded sump causes issues down the line with maintenance. Mainly the difficulty of getting into certain crowded areas of the sump to access things like the return pump, and cleaning detritus from the smaller chambers. Good luck on your new build, your stand looks awesome by the way. __________________ Jonathan 29 gal w/ Custom BAO Ghost Overflow, ATI 24" 4x24w Dimmable SunPower, MP10w, Jebao DC6000 return, 20h sump w/ BAO Custom Baffle set

06/01/2015, 08:01 PM	#49
BlackShark087 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Quebec Posts: 74	Ok so ! why no try many concept as possible ! This sump was getting too complicated. here is My KISS version (Keep It Simple ST@&%) Tell Me your feedbacks Pro & cons I want as much opinion possible here we go --> __________________ 265 Gallons Reef in progress ... Building thread : http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2504882 Current Tank Info: 265G Show + 125G sump

06/03/2015, 11:20 AM	#50
quahreef Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 36	Did you have to reinforce your floor? For your returns it's sealed on the bottom so it goes up and in the sock? Also not sure how your doing your bubble trap. A skimmer will introduce micro bubbles which impacts perceived visibility