except clowfishes other fishes keep dying.

zaitmi · 01/17/2018, 08:09 AM

i have 10 gallon nano. very fine sand grated. live rock replaced with new live rock after cooking for 3 months. i have clownfish safe but other fish keeps dying. my filtration is only sand and live rock. i have now 1 chromis which survived from last 1 week and 1 platinum clown which has survived since last 4 months. clownfishes are hardy but other fishes are delicate. i tried 6 line wrasse, banana wrasse, chromis,....... i tried firefish but it didnt eat at all(must be wild caught) but all of them die within 2 to 7 days in my tank.

Do i need hob filter or internal filter. i am running air pump for oxygen.

JTJreef · 01/17/2018, 08:24 AM

How much live rock? How long has the system been set up? Do you have anything for water movement? A chromis will get to big for a ten gallon. A small clown will be okay for a little while. If you get another fish, something small that stays small so your biological filter can keep up. Could test and see what your Ammonia, Nitrite , Nitrates are.

allendehl · 01/17/2018, 08:25 AM

Uh...I just checked and the Banana Wrase is supposed to be in a 125G tank, having it in a 10G, with 3" of sand and rock on it (taking up a good chunk of the 10G) probably was cause of suicide at best, the 6 line is for a 30G. I did not keep looking them all up.
First issue you have is that you are trying to place several fish that are suited for much bigger tanks in less than 10G one. This is not only a matter of space but also bioload. I don't know if you are putting them all together but by your post I feel you are trying at least more than one at a time.
I would start by having fish that suits your tank then take it from there. By doing it the way you are you are putting too many variables at play, let alone the poor fish.

Good Luck!

Uncle99 · 01/17/2018, 12:43 PM

Tank way too small for what your doing.
It's like packing 25 people in a small bedroom....not going to work for long

sde1500 · 01/17/2018, 12:54 PM

You have two fish, what killed the fish may be unknown, but your tank is stocked. Stop adding other fish.

Uncle99 · 01/17/2018, 01:01 PM

Water must have flow for the exchange of gases even in a 10 gallon
Otherwise they will suffocate....

thegrun · 01/17/2018, 02:00 PM

There is almost no chance your clowns will tolerate another fish in a 10 gallon tank. A pair of clowns typically stake out about a 30 gallon patch of territory in larger tanks and are not willing to share that space. When your tank is under 30 gallons they claim the entire tank and will not suffer new fish being introduced. When you have at least 20 gallons you can sometimes get one or two other fish to survive provided they are placed in the tank before the clowns and the clowns are still young when added.

zaitmi · 01/18/2018, 12:37 PM

Ok sure i will try to keep couple of fishes. Is filter necessary..nobody answered that?

Uncle99 · 01/18/2018, 12:41 PM

Filter good but not absolute if provided water is being exchanged regularly and is on point.
This would also provide some movement which is mandatory....

socalireefdood · 01/19/2018, 01:27 AM

How many fish do you have? is it a nice clownfish? or does it harass your other fish to death?

zaitmi · 01/20/2018, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalireefdood

How many fish do you have? is it a nice clownfish? or does it harass your other fish to death?

No no, its a simple quite platinum fish..not disturbs other at all.

Reef noob_ · 01/22/2018, 01:55 PM

I know you really want that packed, ultra colorful tank that you see in advertisements and such but it’s just not biologically possible in a small system such as yours. The clown and the chromis are probably more than that tank should even have in it so you need to stop adding fish. In my 10 gallon that I used to have I used a standard HOB filter that I took the media out of and added a diy water bottle skimmer and some chaeto with a small LED clip in light. Worked perfectly as filtration for me.

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01/17/2018, 08:09 AM	#1
zaitmi Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 446	except clowfishes other fishes keep dying. i have 10 gallon nano. very fine sand grated. live rock replaced with new live rock after cooking for 3 months. i have clownfish safe but other fish keeps dying. my filtration is only sand and live rock. i have now 1 chromis which survived from last 1 week and 1 platinum clown which has survived since last 4 months. clownfishes are hardy but other fishes are delicate. i tried 6 line wrasse, banana wrasse, chromis,....... i tried firefish but it didnt eat at all(must be wild caught) but all of them die within 2 to 7 days in my tank. Do i need hob filter or internal filter. i am running air pump for oxygen. __________________ Current Tank Info : 10 Gallon Sumpless Tank, 3 "Live Sand Light kessil a80 Live Stock Info : 1 tomato clown

01/17/2018, 08:25 AM	#3
allendehl Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 692	Uh...I just checked and the Banana Wrase is supposed to be in a 125G tank, having it in a 10G, with 3" of sand and rock on it (taking up a good chunk of the 10G) probably was cause of suicide at best, the 6 line is for a 30G. I did not keep looking them all up. First issue you have is that you are trying to place several fish that are suited for much bigger tanks in less than 10G one. This is not only a matter of space but also bioload. I don't know if you are putting them all together but by your post I feel you are trying at least more than one at a time. I would start by having fish that suits your tank then take it from there. By doing it the way you are you are putting too many variables at play, let alone the poor fish. Good Luck! __________________ [Newbie here so please take my opinions carefully] Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 350 (72G) \| Jebao DCT 4000 (1056 GPH Max) \| Reef Octopus 152-S \| 2 X Jebao PP8 (2100 GPH Max)

01/17/2018, 12:54 PM	#5
sde1500 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glocester, RI Posts: 3,336	You have two fish, what killed the fish may be unknown, but your tank is stocked. Stop adding other fish. __________________ My build thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2548422 Current Tank Info: 65 gallon mixed reef, Eshopps sump and HOB overflow, RO-110int skimmer, Reefbreeder 32" photons V1.

01/17/2018, 02:00 PM	#7
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	There is almost no chance your clowns will tolerate another fish in a 10 gallon tank. A pair of clowns typically stake out about a 30 gallon patch of territory in larger tanks and are not willing to share that space. When your tank is under 30 gallons they claim the entire tank and will not suffer new fish being introduced. When you have at least 20 gallons you can sometimes get one or two other fish to survive provided they are placed in the tank before the clowns and the clowns are still young when added. Last edited by thegrun; 01/20/2018 at 12:00 PM.

01/18/2018, 12:37 PM	#8
zaitmi Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 446	Ok sure i will try to keep couple of fishes. Is filter necessary..nobody answered that? __________________ Current Tank Info : 10 Gallon Sumpless Tank, 3 "Live Sand Light kessil a80 Live Stock Info : 1 tomato clown

01/17/2018, 08:24 AM	#2
JTJreef Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Carolinas Posts: 52	How much live rock? How long has the system been set up? Do you have anything for water movement? A chromis will get to big for a ten gallon. A small clown will be okay for a little while. If you get another fish, something small that stays small so your biological filter can keep up. Could test and see what your Ammonia, Nitrite , Nitrates are.

01/17/2018, 12:43 PM	#4
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Tank way too small for what your doing. It's like packing 25 people in a small bedroom....not going to work for long

01/17/2018, 01:01 PM	#6
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Water must have flow for the exchange of gases even in a 10 gallon Otherwise they will suffocate....

01/18/2018, 12:41 PM	#9
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Filter good but not absolute if provided water is being exchanged regularly and is on point. This would also provide some movement which is mandatory....

01/19/2018, 01:27 AM	#10
socalireefdood Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 51	How many fish do you have? is it a nice clownfish? or does it harass your other fish to death?

01/22/2018, 01:55 PM	#12
Reef noob_ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: holmdel, NJ Posts: 555	I know you really want that packed, ultra colorful tank that you see in advertisements and such but it’s just not biologically possible in a small system such as yours. The clown and the chromis are probably more than that tank should even have in it so you need to stop adding fish. In my 10 gallon that I used to have I used a standard HOB filter that I took the media out of and added a diy water bottle skimmer and some chaeto with a small LED clip in light. Worked perfectly as filtration for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ________________________ New Build in progress http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2528685 90 gallon DT, 65 Gallon Fuge, Chinese LEDs, LPS and Soft coral reef