Flame Angel with Fin Rot?

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 08:16 AM

So,
I purchased this flame angel about a week ago and have been slowly raising the copper levels in my tank to treat for ich.

The flame is handling the low doses well and currently none of the fish are exhibiting any forms of ich.

However, the flame angel came with what seemed like a white tip near the rear dorsal fin of the fish. It was white at first and I figured it was just damage.

Examining the fish today while it is eating well I'm noticing that the damage is much more extensive.

I believe it to be fin Rot. Can anyone help me identify this disease? At my disposal I have

Crypto Pro
Clout
KanaPro
PraziPro
Levisamole
Melafix

I'm thinking maybe I need to go and get something else. Incoming PICS In a second.

VIDEO HERE

https://youtu.be/_xyzns3Zcts

Jdub968 · 10/21/2017, 08:34 AM

How's the pics common? While we wait lets get a few ?'s out of the way. Any other signs like heavy breathing scratching lethargic ect water parameters are good

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 08:53 AM

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asonitez · 10/21/2017, 08:55 AM

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asonitez · 10/21/2017, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdub968

How's the pics common? While we wait lets get a few ?'s out of the way. Any other signs like heavy breathing scratching lethargic ect water parameters are good

No heavy breathing or scratching.

Nitrates and Nitrites are very low levels hardly detectable.
Ammonia is Zero
Phosphates are detectable.

Filtration right now is a BioWheel Filter 1 box of Marine Pure Media Ceramic bio-balls.

Decoration is some fake plants, pvc pipe and the bio balls themselves.

Quarantine started with a 100% water change. Cooper has been dosed at the rate of 10 drops every 24 hrs. Currently at 40 drops and holding there.

No signs of ICH on any of the fish.

VIDEO HERE

https://youtu.be/_xyzns3Zcts

Jdub968 · 10/21/2017, 09:15 AM

This is generally a sign of bacterial infection copper is also a immune system suppressant which makes matters worse I would get that fish out of the copper land get started on Kanaplex beings you have it on hand you can leave the other fish in cu and treat this one in a separate tank or it is possible to add Kanaplex with cu just make sure you have a air stone in the tank.

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 09:22 AM

I can add a airstone no problem. Kana-Pro - is Kanamayacin is kanaplex the same thing?

lagatbezan · 10/21/2017, 09:44 AM

I agree you need to treat with antibiotics. Trifecta of kanaplex, metroplex and furan2 would be best. Also if you can get acriflavin a 60 min bath would help as well.
Also the condition of the Naso is alarming as well. Looks really skinny which could be either from poor diet, internal parasites or poor collection.

JustinM · 10/21/2017, 10:06 AM

I would pull the copper and treat with the trifecta as lagatbezan has said. You are probably dealing with a gram negative infection here. I would also do an acriflavine bath now! Do not wait!

Jdub968 · 10/21/2017, 10:25 AM

Yes Kanaplex is 100% kanamyacin if you trea with the trifecta do as Justinm has mentioned and pull the cu that will be to much at one time otherwise

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 10:29 AM

here they area all eating a few moments ago

https://youtu.be/lRGxVYEcxc8

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 10:30 AM

I just threw in a bag of copper into the tank. I'll mix up some saltwater to do a water change. I'm guessing start with the kanamayacin?

asonitez · 10/21/2017, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagatbezan

I agree you need to treat with antibiotics. Trifecta of kanaplex, metroplex and furan2 would be best. Also if you can get acriflavin a 60 min bath would help as well.
Also the condition of the Naso is alarming as well. Looks really skinny which could be either from poor diet, internal parasites or poor collection.

After seeing the video the Nazi still looks bad to you?

lagatbezan · 10/21/2017, 04:10 PM

It does look really thin. I would add vitamins like selcon, Zoe and vitachem to the food and keep an eye on. Any sign of white stringy poop?

asonitez · 10/22/2017, 07:19 AM

No white stringy poop I’m picking up the trifecta today.

Jdub968 · 10/22/2017, 09:52 AM

You can start with anyone of the the meds but I would dose them at least an hr apart from each other and make sure the air stone is in the tank first

10/21/2017, 08:16 AM	#1
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	Flame Angel with Fin Rot? So, I purchased this flame angel about a week ago and have been slowly raising the copper levels in my tank to treat for ich. The flame is handling the low doses well and currently none of the fish are exhibiting any forms of ich. However, the flame angel came with what seemed like a white tip near the rear dorsal fin of the fish. It was white at first and I figured it was just damage. Examining the fish today while it is eating well I'm noticing that the damage is much more extensive. I believe it to be fin Rot. Can anyone help me identify this disease? At my disposal I have Crypto Pro Clout KanaPro PraziPro Levisamole Melafix I'm thinking maybe I need to go and get something else. Incoming PICS In a second. VIDEO HERE https://youtu.be/_xyzns3Zcts Last edited by asonitez; 10/21/2017 at 09:05 AM.

10/21/2017, 09:44 AM	#8
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	I agree you need to treat with antibiotics. Trifecta of kanaplex, metroplex and furan2 would be best. Also if you can get acriflavin a 60 min bath would help as well. Also the condition of the Naso is alarming as well. Looks really skinny which could be either from poor diet, internal parasites or poor collection. __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

10/21/2017, 04:10 PM	#14
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	It does look really thin. I would add vitamins like selcon, Zoe and vitachem to the food and keep an eye on. Any sign of white stringy poop? __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

10/21/2017, 08:34 AM	#2
Jdub968 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 401	How's the pics common? While we wait lets get a few ?'s out of the way. Any other signs like heavy breathing scratching lethargic ect water parameters are good

10/21/2017, 08:53 AM	#3
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	Incoming 4K video in a few secs Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10/21/2017, 08:55 AM	#4
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	Pic of the whole display Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10/21/2017, 09:15 AM	#6
Jdub968 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 401	This is generally a sign of bacterial infection copper is also a immune system suppressant which makes matters worse I would get that fish out of the copper land get started on Kanaplex beings you have it on hand you can leave the other fish in cu and treat this one in a separate tank or it is possible to add Kanaplex with cu just make sure you have a air stone in the tank.

10/21/2017, 09:22 AM	#7
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	I can add a airstone no problem. Kana-Pro - is Kanamayacin is kanaplex the same thing?

10/21/2017, 10:06 AM	#9
JustinM Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,215	I would pull the copper and treat with the trifecta as lagatbezan has said. You are probably dealing with a gram negative infection here. I would also do an acriflavine bath now! Do not wait!

10/21/2017, 10:25 AM	#10
Jdub968 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 401	Yes Kanaplex is 100% kanamyacin if you trea with the trifecta do as Justinm has mentioned and pull the cu that will be to much at one time otherwise

10/21/2017, 10:29 AM	#11
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	here they area all eating a few moments ago https://youtu.be/lRGxVYEcxc8

10/21/2017, 10:30 AM	#12
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	I just threw in a bag of copper into the tank. I'll mix up some saltwater to do a water change. I'm guessing start with the kanamayacin?

10/22/2017, 07:19 AM	#15
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	No white stringy poop I’m picking up the trifecta today.

10/22/2017, 09:52 AM	#16
Jdub968 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 401	You can start with anyone of the the meds but I would dose them at least an hr apart from each other and make sure the air stone is in the tank first