Coral Growth and Reef Chemistry

Chris918 · 11/17/2017, 07:38 PM

Hello everyone,

I wanted to discuss coral growth and the impact my chemistry has on it in my IM 30L. The tank is a mixed reef system and is fairly new. I'd say 3 or 4 months at this point. Current corals:

SPS:
Pink Seriatopora (3-4 weeks)
Green Seriatopora (2-3 months)

LPS:
Green Duncan (3-4 weeks)
Hammer Coral (3-4 weeks)

Calcium reading is high at 480 ppm.
Alkalinity is at 9 or slightly above 9.
Mg is around 1400.

Phosphate comes back at 0 ppm. Nitrate just slightly above 0 ppm, but I have some slight algae growth.

2 Kessil A180 about 8 hours of light per day.
Flow at 1428 gal/hr

My biggest issue is growth. I can't seem to find a successful formula for getting these corals to grow. I hear consistency is key and I've tried to maintain stable parameters. My green birdsnest has turned brown and hasn't grown much in the 2 months I've had it. One of the heads on the hammer doesn't ever want to open. I haven't noticed any growth on the pink birdsnest and the Duncan has grown slightly. Flow is provided by the return pump into two separate flow nozzles and two Tunze Nanostreams to provide flow. Could it be they are not receiving enough light? Lights are on a lower setting to reduce possible algae issues since even though Phosphate and Nitrate read almost 0 there must be some since I have a tiny bit of algae growth. I feed once every other day and add Red Sea Coral Nutrition the day I do not feed. Does anyone have any advice or see any problems as to why I am not getting much growth?

Currently considering an MP10 to replace the Tunze pumps for more random flow.

Please share your experience. I look forward to hearing any and all opinions and I'm happy to provide more info if requested.

bertoni · 11/17/2017, 07:43 PM

The color change in the coral could be due to lower lighting, which also might inhibit growth. I don't know anything about the power range of that fixture, though. You might need to ask in the SPS forum about that.

The parameters are fine as is. I agree that the calcium is a tad high, but that level is fine for growth. The algal growth might indicate that there's some nutrient flow into the water, which could impact the corals directly or indirectly.

I'd probably check the lighting level with someone who has some familiarity with that system, and work from there.

Daddi0 · 11/18/2017, 12:48 PM

When I add a coral to my reef, it seems to take a bit of time before it settles in and colors up. For me corals are a test of patience and I know in my tank it takes a while for a coral to show any growth. Stability is a key and at approx. a month I think your corals are just settling into your parameters which may be completely different than the tank they came from. Also, your tank in still very "young". On our reefs, my first goal is to keep a coral happy and not let it die. If I can do that then growth is almost guaranteed. Remember the saying that nothing good happens fast in this hobby.
Cheers! Mark

Chris918 · 11/18/2017, 01:12 PM

Thank you both for your words of encouragement and advice.

Cheers!

bertoni · 11/18/2017, 07:22 PM

You're welcome. Good luck!

josephxsxn · 11/19/2017, 02:02 PM

My Green Duncan's grow like crazy when feed in a consistent manor, they eat almost any pellets I give them. I have found most of the LPS corals in my tank do better if I have found a food they like to eat and feed then once/twice a week. Make sure to stick around after they consume whatever you're trying (LPS Pellets, Mysis, Fish Pellets, etc...) as they may initially consume it but vomit it back up after a while. For what its worth almost all of my Euphyllia (FrogSpawn, Torch, & Hammer) do not like any foods I have ever feed them.

mcgyvr · 11/20/2017, 06:25 AM

Corals do not grow that fast..
Its only been a few weeks..
Patience..

Sometimes taking pictures and comparing them is the only way to notice growth over months..

Nothing good happens fast in this hobby..

smatter · 11/22/2017, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephxsxn

My Green Duncan's grow like crazy when feed in a consistent manor, they eat almost any pellets I give them. I have found most of the LPS corals in my tank do better if I have found a food they like to eat and feed then once/twice a week. Make sure to stick around after they consume whatever you're trying (LPS Pellets, Mysis, Fish Pellets, etc...) as they may initially consume it but vomit it back up after a while. For what its worth almost all of my Euphyllia (FrogSpawn, Torch, & Hammer) do not like any foods I have ever feed them.

Glad to hear that your Euphyllia don't eat either. I have several and the only thing they might take a little of is Goniopower. I don't even bother anymore really and they are happier than ever.

lingwendil · 11/23/2017, 09:36 AM

What's your PH? Low or unstable PH is a sure fire way to slow growth.

outy · 11/23/2017, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris918

Does anyone have any advice or see any problems as to why I am not getting much growth?

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Mixed species require different needs. My LPS takes off and grows like weeds with lightly dirty water. Strong SPS that's easy to care for I can grow for a year or two.

Your problem is just a new tank if I had to guess, be patient.

It very well could be your lighting, we have no ideas what it is or how long its on.

Squidmotron · 11/23/2017, 09:31 PM

I wouldn't worry about it much. They seem like they're not growing at all, and then all of a sudden they are huge and encrusted and thriving.

It just seems like it takes awhile at first.

11/17/2017, 07:38 PM	#1
Chris918 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 174	Coral Growth and Reef Chemistry Hello everyone, I wanted to discuss coral growth and the impact my chemistry has on it in my IM 30L. The tank is a mixed reef system and is fairly new. I'd say 3 or 4 months at this point. Current corals: SPS: Pink Seriatopora (3-4 weeks) Green Seriatopora (2-3 months) LPS: Green Duncan (3-4 weeks) Hammer Coral (3-4 weeks) Calcium reading is high at 480 ppm. Alkalinity is at 9 or slightly above 9. Mg is around 1400. Phosphate comes back at 0 ppm. Nitrate just slightly above 0 ppm, but I have some slight algae growth. 2 Kessil A180 about 8 hours of light per day. Flow at 1428 gal/hr My biggest issue is growth. I can't seem to find a successful formula for getting these corals to grow. I hear consistency is key and I've tried to maintain stable parameters. My green birdsnest has turned brown and hasn't grown much in the 2 months I've had it. One of the heads on the hammer doesn't ever want to open. I haven't noticed any growth on the pink birdsnest and the Duncan has grown slightly. Flow is provided by the return pump into two separate flow nozzles and two Tunze Nanostreams to provide flow. Could it be they are not receiving enough light? Lights are on a lower setting to reduce possible algae issues since even though Phosphate and Nitrate read almost 0 there must be some since I have a tiny bit of algae growth. I feed once every other day and add Red Sea Coral Nutrition the day I do not feed. Does anyone have any advice or see any problems as to why I am not getting much growth? Currently considering an MP10 to replace the Tunze pumps for more random flow. Please share your experience. I look forward to hearing any and all opinions and I'm happy to provide more info if requested.

11/17/2017, 07:43 PM	#2
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	The color change in the coral could be due to lower lighting, which also might inhibit growth. I don't know anything about the power range of that fixture, though. You might need to ask in the SPS forum about that. The parameters are fine as is. I agree that the calcium is a tad high, but that level is fine for growth. The algal growth might indicate that there's some nutrient flow into the water, which could impact the corals directly or indirectly. I'd probably check the lighting level with someone who has some familiarity with that system, and work from there. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

11/18/2017, 07:22 PM	#5
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	You're welcome. Good luck! __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

11/20/2017, 06:25 AM	#7
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Corals do not grow that fast.. Its only been a few weeks.. Patience.. Sometimes taking pictures and comparing them is the only way to notice growth over months.. Nothing good happens fast in this hobby.. __________________ Who me?

11/23/2017, 09:36 AM	#9
lingwendil Man who sold the world Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oakley, behind enemy lines in communist occupied California. Posts: 254	What's your PH? Low or unstable PH is a sure fire way to slow growth. __________________ LED snob. Unapologetic Luxeon Rebel and Bridgelux Vero fanboy. Every time a fluorescent or halide fixture is scrapped, an angel gets its wings.

11/18/2017, 12:48 PM	#3
Daddi0 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Redwood City Posts: 1,354	When I add a coral to my reef, it seems to take a bit of time before it settles in and colors up. For me corals are a test of patience and I know in my tank it takes a while for a coral to show any growth. Stability is a key and at approx. a month I think your corals are just settling into your parameters which may be completely different than the tank they came from. Also, your tank in still very "young". On our reefs, my first goal is to keep a coral happy and not let it die. If I can do that then growth is almost guaranteed. Remember the saying that nothing good happens fast in this hobby. Cheers! Mark

11/18/2017, 01:12 PM	#4
Chris918 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 174	Thank you both for your words of encouragement and advice. Cheers!

11/19/2017, 02:02 PM	#6
josephxsxn Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: DTW, Michigan Posts: 122	My Green Duncan's grow like crazy when feed in a consistent manor, they eat almost any pellets I give them. I have found most of the LPS corals in my tank do better if I have found a food they like to eat and feed then once/twice a week. Make sure to stick around after they consume whatever you're trying (LPS Pellets, Mysis, Fish Pellets, etc...) as they may initially consume it but vomit it back up after a while. For what its worth almost all of my Euphyllia (FrogSpawn, Torch, & Hammer) do not like any foods I have ever feed them.

11/23/2017, 09:31 PM	#11
Squidmotron Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 675	I wouldn't worry about it much. They seem like they're not growing at all, and then all of a sudden they are huge and encrusted and thriving. It just seems like it takes awhile at first. __________________ .................................................. Current Tank Info: 210 Gallon "Mixed Reef" Tank (84 inches wide)