Yourfishstore.com scam

Mr. Manty · 01/25/2017, 12:09 PM

I ordered their "colored mantis shrimp" which is advertised with a photo of a peacock and was even told by one of their reps that it was the same species as the peacock. It sure had the same price as a peacock as well.

http://yourfishstore.com/products/co...tis-shrimp-sml

The species they sent me is an
Haptosquilla Stoliura

And now they will noy communicate after 3 days after thet said they would solve the problem.

What can i do?

Mr. Manty · 01/25/2017, 12:10 PM

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2620280

Here are photos of what they sent me

nmotz · 01/26/2017, 08:18 AM

Unfortunately these kinds of things do happen. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Sometimes a company won't take responsibility for a mistaken identity like that. I'm sure there is some way you could report them, but that's about it.

I always ask the vendor to confirm with me through photos that it is indeed a Peacock. If they can't or won't do that, I don't buy from them. Most vendors nowadays will be happy to provide photos.

Mr. Manty · 01/28/2017, 10:49 AM

Im new tot he hobby... Well live and learn.

I am gonna keep him as he is quite cute.

Ill just get a peacock when i set up another tank.

EI Gringo · 01/30/2017, 07:46 AM

Always see mantis via at least a photo before you buy them, no "professional" aquatics person knows anything about them except for those like myself who actively keep them. Even our wholesalers make mistakes on IDs.

Mr. Manty · 01/30/2017, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EI Gringo

Always see mantis via at least a photo before you buy them, no "professional" aquatics person knows anything about them except for those like myself who actively keep them. Even our wholesalers make mistakes on IDs.

Im beginning to see that...
I didnt realize how niche they were. I thought at the very least a peacock would be easy to identify for even non hobbyist

nmotz · 01/30/2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Manty

Im beginning to see that...
I didnt realize how niche they were. I thought at the very least a peacock would be easy to identify for even non hobbyist

That's what I thought too. But when I got into the hobby almost 5 years ago, my first mantis was sold to me as a Peacock when it was actually a Chiragra.

Hadla · 01/31/2017, 01:16 AM

Geez chiragras must be the most common mantis available

MMacro · 01/31/2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Manty

Im beginning to see that...
I didnt realize how niche they were. I thought at the very least a peacock would be easy to identify for even non hobbyist

They should know the right animal that they are shipping out though. If not then they are highly unprofessional.

nmotz · 01/31/2017, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hadla

Geez chiragras must be the most common mantis available

I think they are actually. They are extremely hardy so they often survive the long trip from the Tropics as hitchhikers. For some reason, everyone in the business thinks that every mantis is automatically a Peacock haha.

Gonodactylus · 02/01/2017, 09:40 AM

Actually, G. chiragra rarely show up as hitchhikers. They usually are not found living in what is sold as live rock. They are targeted because they are relatively large and easy to collect.

One interesting note, however. When have you ever seen a small G. chiragra less than about 4 cm. I've collected hundreds of G. chiragra and it is unusual to find a small one. We don't understand the habitat that they live in for their first couple of years.

Roy

nmotz · 02/01/2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonodactylus

Actually, G. chiragra rarely show up as hitchhikers. They usually are not found living in what is sold as live rock. They are targeted because they are relatively large and easy to collect.

One interesting note, however. When have you ever seen a small G. chiragra less than about 4 cm. I've collected hundreds of G. chiragra and it is unusual to find a small one. We don't understand the habitat that they live in for their first couple of years.

Roy

Yeah that's a good point, I've never seen one smaller than about 3-3.5 inches. I would think that they would be easier to collect at all sizes given that they are cavity dwellers. But like you said their early lives aren't well understood I guess.

Moort82 · 02/01/2017, 11:55 AM

I have a chiragra which Roy kindly identified a couple of years back and it was tiny, 3 cm or so from memory, when I found it in the lfs coral bay under a coral. I'm assuming it came in on a coral from Indonesia. It's now a good 4".

Hadla · 02/01/2017, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Moort82

I have a chiragra which Roy kindly identified a couple of years back and it was tiny, 3 cm or so from memory, when I found it in the lfs coral bay under a coral. I'm assuming it came in on a coral from Indonesia. It's now a good 4".

I'd love to just randomly find one at the lfs!

Breadman03 · 02/01/2017, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonodactylus

Actually, G. chiragra rarely show up as hitchhikers. They usually are not found living in what is sold as live rock. They are targeted because they are relatively large and easy to collect.

One interesting note, however. When have you ever seen a small G. chiragra less than about 4 cm. I've collected hundreds of G. chiragra and it is unusual to find a small one. We don't understand the habitat that they live in for their first couple of years.

Roy

I'm elated to see you posting here again!

nmotz · 02/02/2017, 11:09 AM

Haha, I just saw yet another G. Chiragra at an LFS mislabeled as a Peacock. I made sure they corrected the error. It was a male, about 3" long.

Moort82 · 02/07/2017, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hadla

I'd love to just randomly find one at the lfs!

I also had a guy travel 50 miles to bring me one that he thought was eating his hermit. Turned out the hermit was still in the shell which is why the mantis had its bum sticking out.

Hadla · 02/07/2017, 07:47 AM

That's funny!

joyluvsrod2013 · 05/15/2017, 12:32 PM

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joyluvsrod2013 · 05/15/2017, 12:33 PM

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joyluvsrod2013 · 05/15/2017, 12:33 PM

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joyluvsrod2013 · 05/15/2017, 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gonodactylus

actually, g. Chiragra rarely show up as hitchhikers. They usually are not found living in what is sold as live rock. They are targeted because they are relatively large and easy to collect.

One interesting note, however. When have you ever seen a small g. Chiragra less than about 4 cm. I've collected hundreds of g. Chiragra and it is unusual to find a small one. We don't understand the habitat that they live in for their first couple of years.

Roy

Gonodactylus · 05/15/2017, 01:29 PM

Gonodactylus chiragra.

Roy

joyluvsrod2013 · 05/15/2017, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonodactylus

Gonodactylus chiragra.

Roy

THANK YOU.
can you guess how old? boy? girl?

Gonodactylus · 05/15/2017, 02:57 PM

It appears to be a male. We don't have hard data on how fast G. chiragra develop in the field. My guess based on other species would be 5-8 years.

Roy

01/25/2017, 12:09 PM	#1
Mr. Manty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 194	Yourfishstore.com scam I ordered their "colored mantis shrimp" which is advertised with a photo of a peacock and was even told by one of their reps that it was the same species as the peacock. It sure had the same price as a peacock as well. http://yourfishstore.com/products/co...tis-shrimp-sml The species they sent me is an Haptosquilla Stoliura And now they will noy communicate after 3 days after thet said they would solve the problem. What can i do?

01/26/2017, 08:18 AM	#3
nmotz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: FL, USA Posts: 1,433	Unfortunately these kinds of things do happen. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Sometimes a company won't take responsibility for a mistaken identity like that. I'm sure there is some way you could report them, but that's about it. I always ask the vendor to confirm with me through photos that it is indeed a Peacock. If they can't or won't do that, I don't buy from them. Most vendors nowadays will be happy to provide photos. __________________ Mantis shrimp are the best! Current Tank Info: 20L Peacock mantis shrimp tank

01/31/2017, 01:16 AM	#8
Hadla Mantis Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 574	Geez chiragras must be the most common mantis available __________________ Aquarium count: 7 salt: 2x10g, 29 biocube, 30g, 55g, 75g, 225g, and one fresh 20g planted tank! Puffer, octopus, and mantis shrimp fanatic!

02/02/2017, 11:09 AM	#16
nmotz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: FL, USA Posts: 1,433	Haha, I just saw yet another G. Chiragra at an LFS mislabeled as a Peacock. I made sure they corrected the error. It was a male, about 3" long. __________________ Mantis shrimp are the best! Current Tank Info: 20L Peacock mantis shrimp tank

02/07/2017, 07:47 AM	#18
Hadla Mantis Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 574	That's funny! __________________ Aquarium count: 7 salt: 2x10g, 29 biocube, 30g, 55g, 75g, 225g, and one fresh 20g planted tank! Puffer, octopus, and mantis shrimp fanatic!

01/25/2017, 12:10 PM	#2
Mr. Manty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 194	http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2620280 Here are photos of what they sent me

01/28/2017, 10:49 AM	#4
Mr. Manty Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 194	Im new tot he hobby... Well live and learn. I am gonna keep him as he is quite cute. Ill just get a peacock when i set up another tank.

01/30/2017, 07:46 AM	#5
EI Gringo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Derbyshire, England Posts: 525	Always see mantis via at least a photo before you buy them, no "professional" aquatics person knows anything about them except for those like myself who actively keep them. Even our wholesalers make mistakes on IDs.

02/01/2017, 09:40 AM	#11
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Actually, G. chiragra rarely show up as hitchhikers. They usually are not found living in what is sold as live rock. They are targeted because they are relatively large and easy to collect. One interesting note, however. When have you ever seen a small G. chiragra less than about 4 cm. I've collected hundreds of G. chiragra and it is unusual to find a small one. We don't understand the habitat that they live in for their first couple of years. Roy

02/01/2017, 11:55 AM	#13
Moort82 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norfolk, England Posts: 1,576	I have a chiragra which Roy kindly identified a couple of years back and it was tiny, 3 cm or so from memory, when I found it in the lfs coral bay under a coral. I'm assuming it came in on a coral from Indonesia. It's now a good 4".

05/15/2017, 12:32 PM	#19
joyluvsrod2013 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 19	What kind is my mantis please IMG_20170430_205650_482.jpg

05/15/2017, 12:33 PM	#20
joyluvsrod2013 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 19	Not sure what kind or how old can you tell? IMG_20170430_203522_456 (002).jpg

05/15/2017, 12:33 PM	#21
joyluvsrod2013 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 19	What kind of mantis? IMG_20170430_203302_889.jpg

05/15/2017, 01:29 PM	#23
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Gonodactylus chiragra. Roy

05/15/2017, 02:57 PM	#25
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	It appears to be a male. We don't have hard data on how fast G. chiragra develop in the field. My guess based on other species would be 5-8 years. Roy