Treating with Vitamin C - Page 38

Pufferpunk · 02/14/2008, 08:20 PM

My 40g is turning a slight tinge of yellow/green. Every solid surface is slimy. My skimmer is overflowing. Good news--N03 is 0 but all my fish are out of there, in hypo for crypt.

driftin · 02/15/2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by Dustin1300
Now, that you guys mentioned it my hammer coral has been a little closed up since I started adding the Vitamin C...

I had been dosing only 5ppm. I thought it was coincidence that my wall-hammer closed up basically the same day I started dosing, but I haven't seen any improvement in the coral in the past 2 weeks. I didn't have any zoa problems before I dosed; yesteday I stopped dosing and I'm going to see what happens to the hammer. It seems to be the only coral that has been affected.

Makes me wonder if certain corals are susceptible to one of the effects of dosing.

Pufferpunk · 02/15/2008, 09:37 AM

Also about the crypt my fish had--only 1 fish showed the parastie. As soon as I say that, I started dosing C in that tank too. None of the other fish showed the parasite, even after 3 weeks.

I have a show-size frogspawn that looks fantastic, even at 33ppm.

Questin · 02/15/2008, 11:59 AM

Has anyone tried using Glutathione instead?

Vinnie71975 · 02/15/2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Questin
Has anyone tried using Glutathione instead?

What exactly is Glutathione?

Questin · 02/15/2008, 08:13 PM

Its an antioxidant like Vitamin C

From reading everything here, I was wondering if anyone tried something that was like Vitamin C to see if they get the same effect, and a lot of posts where starting to point to the possibity that it was not the Vitamin C that was helping things out, but the act of being an antioxidant that actually helped because of how it was allowing more benifical things to happen that were being serpressed otherwise.

Glutathione is like Vitamin C because it is an antioxidant and it is solubility in water. It can also be found in drug stores as a dietary supplement.

PaintGuru · 02/15/2008, 09:33 PM

I just cut back my dosing to 1x day. We'll see if things stay the same or not.

Would Glutathione cheaper the VC?

Jeff · 02/16/2008, 01:13 PM

I am thinking about going to 1 dose a day probably in the morning. Aren't most corals kind of dormant in the dark? I wonder if the second dose does anything.

jdieck · 02/16/2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Engine 7
I am thinking about going to 1 dose a day probably in the morning. Aren't most corals kind of dormant in the dark? I wonder if the second dose does anything.

Many corals if not most will further extend their polyps at night to filter feed and compensate for the lack of light.

Jeff · 02/16/2008, 03:18 PM

Hmm, good point Jose. Do you think that the corals would get the same benefit at night out of the vitamin C as the day dose?

Hurry back Puffy, we miss you!

PaintGuru · 02/16/2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Engine 7
Hmm, good point Jose. Do you think that the corals would get the same benefit at night out of the vitamin C as the day dose?

Hurry back Puffy, we miss you!

The other thought is that VC is light sensitive, so it may be better to dose when the lights are off.

montanabay · 02/16/2008, 05:40 PM

VC does degrade faster when exposed to light, I dose twice a day, once in the morning right when the lights come on and right when they go off. I'm one day 6 or so, zoas might be starting to open up...well at least they are the most open that they've been in 3months...

RoyalEnchntrss · 02/16/2008, 09:02 PM

All of my corals are reaaaalllly happy but everything has a slimey film over it like Puffer said... its whitish and grooossss.. i tried cleaning today, changed all of my filter floss and cleaned my skimmer now everything is mad and cloudy... i dont know if this is because of the C or not though??

Pufferpunk · 02/17/2008, 01:36 AM

RE, How much are you dosing? I think I have been adding too much to my smaller, 40g tank. The bubbles are coming out of the top of the skimmer cup on my Backpac! I added more flow to the tank & it's not as slimey now.

AeroD79 · 02/17/2008, 03:41 AM

Heres my update for my blue zoos..(started Feb)

So far the asterina starfish are no longer eating the stolons. I havent noticed a growth yet. Then I switched back to my hamilton 14ks..the colors are really showing up as much as before or better.

14k at 2006

same bulb now

Pufferpunk · 02/17/2008, 12:25 PM

Can you please post the "before" VC pics with the "after" ones? Now way will we be able to find them.

RoyalEnchntrss · 02/17/2008, 12:43 PM

Well with the pills I was up to 2000mg 2x a day and then i finally got the powder and started back down at whatever 1/4 a teaspoon is.. i think it's 800 something mg 2x a day... I had gone up to 1/2 a teaspoon and now I'm back down to a 1/4... I still have some pretty sick zoos but i can't stand the slime and now my feather duster looks bad..

I wish there was someway to know what's caused by the VC and what isn't.. i should try to get pics of the slime...

Pufferpunk · 02/18/2008, 01:09 AM

My slime is gone--I think it must have been a flow problem. I barely had any flow in there. Added a PH & everything's fine now, other than my skimmer going nuts. I think I'm gonna stop adding the C to the skimmer.

PaintGuru · 02/18/2008, 10:34 AM

It's funny that people are mentioning the slime. I have my overflow lines run into a mesh bag to keep the bubble from splashing all over. Well I just removed it to put a filter bag on for a few days and it was SOOOO slimey! I thought it was maybe from my algae die-off, but now I wonder if it is the same thing you guys are talking about.

RoyalEnchntrss · 02/18/2008, 11:46 AM

I'm wondering if it was from something in the VC pills? I cut back on my dosing and have been changing my filter floss/cleaning my skimmer a lot more and scrubbing the rocks off trying to get it all out of there... It looks better than it did so we'll see... My sand is still a mess though... I did have a small algae did off but I dont think it would cause this much slime...

G.SMITHII · 02/18/2008, 03:03 PM

hey, i just got some 500mg pure vit C tablets from kingsoopers.

they're like the lil capsules w/ balls inside.

my question is should i break the capsule open, and just add the vit c, or just stick the pills in?

Pufferpunk · 02/18/2008, 06:21 PM

G.SMITHII, What are the exact ingredients? If you are not using buffered C, you will have to add buffer to your tank accordingly. Do you drip kalk? I would take it out of the capsules--I don;'t know what the gelatin will do to your tank. That's why I used tablets instead & now buffered powder.

As far as the slime & crazy skimmer--never even considered it was from algae die-off. My red turf algae is brown now & looks pretty much dead. I'm hoping it'll eventually dissolve in the water & get whisked away.

PaintGuru · 02/18/2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoyalEnchntrss
I'm wondering if it was from something in the VC pills? I cut back on my dosing and have been changing my filter floss/cleaning my skimmer a lot more and scrubbing the rocks off trying to get it all out of there... It looks better than it did so we'll see... My sand is still a mess though... I did have a small algae did off but I dont think it would cause this much slime...

I'm using pure Ca-VC, so I don't think it is anything like filler.

Pufferpunk · 02/20/2008, 11:16 AM

Bump to 1st page. This should be a sticky!

jason214 · 02/20/2008, 04:08 PM

now i have a lot smaller of a tank 29g w/o a sump where else do you think i could apply the vit.c maybe in my filter or something??

02/16/2008, 01:13 PM	#933
Jeff Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,907	I am thinking about going to 1 dose a day probably in the morning. Aren't most corals kind of dormant in the dark? I wonder if the second dose does anything. __________________ Always remember.... any time you reef, you also reef with every reefer that reefer has reefed with. Mitch 2/18/10 IWNFT343F Current Tank Info: Innovative Marine 20

02/16/2008, 03:18 PM	#935
Jeff Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,907	Hmm, good point Jose. Do you think that the corals would get the same benefit at night out of the vitamin C as the day dose? Hurry back Puffy, we miss you! __________________ Always remember.... any time you reef, you also reef with every reefer that reefer has reefed with. Mitch 2/18/10 IWNFT343F Current Tank Info: Innovative Marine 20

02/16/2008, 09:02 PM	#938
RoyalEnchntrss Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 81	All of my corals are reaaaalllly happy but everything has a slimey film over it like Puffer said... its whitish and grooossss.. i tried cleaning today, changed all of my filter floss and cleaned my skimmer now everything is mad and cloudy... i dont know if this is because of the C or not though?? __________________ Ms. Fins :)

02/17/2008, 03:41 AM	#940
AeroD79 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Campbell Posts: 1,784	update Heres my update for my blue zoos..(started Feb) So far the asterina starfish are no longer eating the stolons. I havent noticed a growth yet. Then I switched back to my hamilton 14ks..the colors are really showing up as much as before or better. 14k at 2006 same bulb now

02/17/2008, 12:43 PM	#942
RoyalEnchntrss Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 81	Well with the pills I was up to 2000mg 2x a day and then i finally got the powder and started back down at whatever 1/4 a teaspoon is.. i think it's 800 something mg 2x a day... I had gone up to 1/2 a teaspoon and now I'm back down to a 1/4... I still have some pretty sick zoos but i can't stand the slime and now my feather duster looks bad.. I wish there was someway to know what's caused by the VC and what isn't.. i should try to get pics of the slime... __________________ Ms. Fins :) Last edited by RoyalEnchntrss; 02/17/2008 at 01:01 PM.

02/14/2008, 08:20 PM	#926
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	My 40g is turning a slight tinge of yellow/green. Every solid surface is slimy. My skimmer is overflowing. Good news--N03 is 0 but all my fish are out of there, in hypo for crypt.

02/15/2008, 09:37 AM	#928
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Also about the crypt my fish had--only 1 fish showed the parastie. As soon as I say that, I started dosing C in that tank too. None of the other fish showed the parasite, even after 3 weeks. I have a show-size frogspawn that looks fantastic, even at 33ppm.

02/15/2008, 11:59 AM	#929
Questin Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 784	Has anyone tried using Glutathione instead?

02/15/2008, 08:13 PM	#931
Questin Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 784	Its an antioxidant like Vitamin C From reading everything here, I was wondering if anyone tried something that was like Vitamin C to see if they get the same effect, and a lot of posts where starting to point to the possibity that it was not the Vitamin C that was helping things out, but the act of being an antioxidant that actually helped because of how it was allowing more benifical things to happen that were being serpressed otherwise. Glutathione is like Vitamin C because it is an antioxidant and it is solubility in water. It can also be found in drug stores as a dietary supplement.

02/15/2008, 09:33 PM	#932
PaintGuru Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Livonia, MI Posts: 859	I just cut back my dosing to 1x day. We'll see if things stay the same or not. Would Glutathione cheaper the VC?

02/16/2008, 05:40 PM	#937
montanabay Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 465	VC does degrade faster when exposed to light, I dose twice a day, once in the morning right when the lights come on and right when they go off. I'm one day 6 or so, zoas might be starting to open up...well at least they are the most open that they've been in 3months...

02/17/2008, 01:36 AM	#939
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	RE, How much are you dosing? I think I have been adding too much to my smaller, 40g tank. The bubbles are coming out of the top of the skimmer cup on my Backpac! I added more flow to the tank & it's not as slimey now.

02/17/2008, 12:25 PM	#941
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Can you please post the "before" VC pics with the "after" ones? Now way will we be able to find them.

02/18/2008, 01:09 AM	#943
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	My slime is gone--I think it must have been a flow problem. I barely had any flow in there. Added a PH & everything's fine now, other than my skimmer going nuts. I think I'm gonna stop adding the C to the skimmer.

02/18/2008, 10:34 AM	#944
PaintGuru Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Livonia, MI Posts: 859	It's funny that people are mentioning the slime. I have my overflow lines run into a mesh bag to keep the bubble from splashing all over. Well I just removed it to put a filter bag on for a few days and it was SOOOO slimey! I thought it was maybe from my algae die-off, but now I wonder if it is the same thing you guys are talking about.

02/18/2008, 11:46 AM	#945
RoyalEnchntrss Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 81	I'm wondering if it was from something in the VC pills? I cut back on my dosing and have been changing my filter floss/cleaning my skimmer a lot more and scrubbing the rocks off trying to get it all out of there... It looks better than it did so we'll see... My sand is still a mess though... I did have a small algae did off but I dont think it would cause this much slime... __________________ Ms. Fins :)

02/18/2008, 03:03 PM	#946
G.SMITHII Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Eldorado Springs, Co. Posts: 559	hey, i just got some 500mg pure vit C tablets from kingsoopers. they're like the lil capsules w/ balls inside. my question is should i break the capsule open, and just add the vit c, or just stick the pills in? __________________ -The problem was, she new what she wanted and it wasn't me. I know more women like that than any other kind.- Bukowski Current Tank Info: 15 Gal. Mantis Tank. (20gal. tank, w/ 5-6" DSB, 25Lbs LR, so like 15gal. of water.) G. Smithii (Bane), A lot of Zoa and Paly frags, MGSP, Mushies, Candy Canes, other stuff... Fire Fish, Damsel, Peppermint Shrimp, and fluctuating CUC:)

02/18/2008, 06:21 PM	#947
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	G.SMITHII, What are the exact ingredients? If you are not using buffered C, you will have to add buffer to your tank accordingly. Do you drip kalk? I would take it out of the capsules--I don;'t know what the gelatin will do to your tank. That's why I used tablets instead & now buffered powder. As far as the slime & crazy skimmer--never even considered it was from algae die-off. My red turf algae is brown now & looks pretty much dead. I'm hoping it'll eventually dissolve in the water & get whisked away.

02/20/2008, 11:16 AM	#949
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,027	Bump to 1st page. This should be a sticky!

02/20/2008, 04:08 PM	#950
jason214 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: mobile, al Posts: 344	now i have a lot smaller of a tank 29g w/o a sump where else do you think i could apply the vit.c maybe in my filter or something??