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Old 01/10/2017, 05:35 PM   #1
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BRS Kalkwasser worth it

I've seen BRS Kalkwasser. Seems pretty cool. Is it worth getting the starter kit? I so, do you suggest dosing my RO or setting up a drip. This is all new to me. 120g tank with only a cleanup crew thus far. Fish next. Then someday coral.




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Old 01/10/2017, 05:37 PM   #2
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If you don't have coral you likely don't need it at all.


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Old 01/10/2017, 06:06 PM   #3
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As potatohead said, without corals you don't need it. When it comes time to start dosing, then Kalk is a fine choice. You don't need to use the BRS stuff. If you can find it in the grocery store or online, pickling like is the same stuff.

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Old 01/10/2017, 06:17 PM   #4
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So until I start filling the tank with coral, don't bother?


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Old 01/10/2017, 06:18 PM   #5
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With that in mind, how important are my calcium levels in a FOWLR tank (before I put any coral).


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Old 01/10/2017, 06:28 PM   #6
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The calcium level is important to coralline algae, as well as stony corals and clams. If you don't want to grow any of those organisms in your tank, it doesn't much matter what the level is, as far as we can tell.


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Old 01/10/2017, 06:31 PM   #7
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Maintaining NSW levels are fine for a fish only tank and will aid in stability of PH, alkalinity and magnesium, which keeps fish healthy. Calcium depletion is only a concern when you have coral and inverts. I use Pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) in my ATO top off to supplement my calcium.

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Old 01/10/2017, 06:57 PM   #8
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Pickling lime? Like what you make pickles with? Lol


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Old 01/10/2017, 07:43 PM   #9
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It's food grade. A lot of us use it. Cheap too. Walmart and others carry it in the canning section of the store.


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Old 01/10/2017, 07:48 PM   #10
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Lime contains calcium hydroxide (or oxide), and provides calcium and alkalinity at the approximate ratio in which corals consume them:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-01/rhf/index.htm


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Old 01/10/2017, 09:34 PM   #11
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The calcium level is important to coralline algae, as well as stony corals and clams. If you don't want to grow any of those organisms in your tank, it doesn't much matter what the level is, as far as we can tell.
What he said. I have 1 small LPS and a zoa frag and a small chalice frag in my tank with 2 nems. I move slow. Yet my 90 gallon total needs about a half gallon of saturated kalk to keep dkh stable. The coralline algae and all the crap on the rock need it.

I drip for the time being. I have used BRS stuff. There are cheaper options out there but not at the size your probably wanting to buy.

I could get by with 2 part, and still dose it. but the kalk helps my pH. It's cheaper for my needs than 2 part, and it's 1 bottle in the place of two.


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Old 01/10/2017, 09:43 PM   #12
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The price difference between the BRS kalk and Mrs wages is negligible . They are both calcium hydroxide.


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Thanks for the info. I wouldn't know where to begin with the pickle juice versus using kalk at a predetermined level.


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Thanks for the info. I wouldn't know where to begin with the pickle juice versus using kalk at a predetermined level.


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It's the same stuff.


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Old 01/11/2017, 02:24 PM   #15
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I used Mrs Wages lime for many years. Not available in my small town. Bought a jug of BRS kalk a few months ago, I don't see any difference. BRS kalk is $12/gallon, a gallon of dry kalk weighs what, maybe 3 lbs? Mrs Wages is available on Amazon, 6x 1lb packs for $23... It's a wash, to me. I like the BRS screw top jugs better than Mrs Wages packaging.

From a dosing point of view, I don't think there's any difference at all.


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They all should be about the same except for impurities. Exposure to air will cause the lime to convert back to calcium carbonate over time, but other than that, it is stable and should last a long time if kept sealed. A food-grade product should be fine. I might worry about an industrial grade product.


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Old 03/08/2017, 04:16 PM   #17
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Send me your empty BRS containers and I'll fill it up with pickling lime for you like BRS does. There is 0 difference except for cost. Buy a cheap two little fishies reactor. Put 1/3cup of pickling lime in every 7 days. Your kh will stay spot on 24 hours a day for 7 days. Skip putting it in an ATO res. That's too messy and hard to get the correct dose.


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Send me your empty BRS containers and I'll fill it up with pickling lime for you like BRS does. There is 0 difference except for cost. Buy a cheap two little fishies reactor. Put 1/3cup of pickling lime in every 7 days. Your kh will stay spot on 24 hours a day for 7 days. Skip putting it in an ATO res. That's too messy and hard to get the correct dose.


This has sparked my interest - anyone else out there using this method?
This would be easier than using the ato.

I happen to have a spare TLF reactor




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Old 03/08/2017, 05:04 PM   #19
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That approach might work in some cases. It's uncontrolled dosing, though, and could fail dramatically. It might also cause some other elements to precipitate. I wouldn't do it, personally.


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I think just adding it in bulk weekly is inefficient and risky in terms of high pH , precipitation and rangy variable alk levels at the least. Dosing it slowly from a still reservoir(any container ) works well. Dosing via ATO is problematic in terms of the consistency of the dose.

BTW check the cost on pickling lime vs BRS before assuming one is cheaper. Mrs Wages ,the most common pickling lime here, works out to be about the same IME.


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I use BRS Kalk in my 180 now (in my 90 for a long time before that). 1tsp/gallon saturated doesn't quite keep up with my usage, so I use 2 part to supplement. But Kalk in my ATO provides the majority of my calcium and alk needs.


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I hate the Mrs. Wage's ziplock bag! Bring back the old screw top canister.


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