Hawaii Group Buy 2 - Mortality update

reefsafe · 10/06/2006, 03:50 PM

I lost

pair of Orange Bar Wrasses

1 Potter's Angel

how bout the rest of you?

scchase · 10/06/2006, 05:30 PM

Heh you lost some of the harder fish out there especially the wrasses. I lost my butterfly and soldierfish but that was because I let ammonia get too high in my Q tank.

jgonzz · 10/06/2006, 06:40 PM

my naso died 6 days after he would not eat anything, live brine, mysis,seaweed, nothing.

roadracn · 10/06/2006, 07:21 PM

Yellow eye never made it out of the bag and the Naso RIP!

Curt

Jagermeister · 10/06/2006, 08:07 PM

Lost both of the potters mimic wrasses. Learned some more about setting up a good, adequate qt though.

Clown-N-Around · 10/06/2006, 10:38 PM

The male wrasse was DOA, the female died in QT.

Devaji108 · 10/06/2006, 10:53 PM

yea I lost my yellolw eyed kole tang and yellow tang...
wow did any one have any luck?

scchase · 10/06/2006, 10:56 PM

All 8 of my Anthias are doing great along with my Naso Tang.

tkeracer619 · 10/07/2006, 01:09 AM

My lineatus, scarlet, and orange shoulder are great. I had no mortality.

reefsafe · 10/07/2006, 10:16 AM

my lineatus, one potter, two female flame wrasses are fine though. would do it again if i i had to.

chadscharf · 10/07/2006, 12:17 PM

My yellow eye kole and naso are doing great. They've been eating anything and everything that goes in the tank and have been playing together since I put them in.

I'm sorry to hear about all your guys' losses though. That's a real bummer. :-(

tkeracer619 · 10/10/2006, 10:48 AM

Sad but I lost my orange shoulder over night. Yesterday I had noticed it was acting shy and reclusive. I knew something was wrong since this fish swam around activly from the second it was added to the tank. Was eating great up untill yesterday.

Havent got through all the tests yet, I doubt it was in the water. Poor guy.

Edit: Amonia, Nitrite, Nitrates - 0
SG: 1.023
Copper - 0

All other fish alive, so signs of external causes. Will rule this one internal something or other. This sucks, my hippo isnt going to be happy. They had so much fun together.

Clown-N-Around · 01/19/2007, 10:47 AM

Since I know there is another Hawaii buy pending, I thought it might be pertinent for people considering participation to understand the plusses and minuses.

I am not sure what the overall mortality rate for the group was. As you can see above, some people posted no losses. But I know both of my fish died. Participating in the last Hawaii buy convinced me that I want to go to an LFS and see how a fish acts, swims, eats, etc. before I buy. I know buying direct is cheaper since you are assuming some of the risks of transportation and acclimation to captivity, but I would rather pay someone else more and not watch fish die. It makes me too sad!

Just my opinion.

reefsafe · 01/19/2007, 11:03 AM

I lost all of mine but part of that was because my tank crashed. But the orange bars did not last long at all.

roadracn · 01/19/2007, 11:06 AM

sure you get what you pay for, but on that note, we got them strait from the ocean, they didn't pass through the LFS water, tank, shock, ick, etc, and we lost a few. I HATE to lose a fish, but I still think we are not stressing the fish as much as sending them through a store, and they were so cheap compaired to LFS...

artful-dodger · 01/19/2007, 12:26 PM

death isn't stressful?

reefsafe · 01/19/2007, 12:34 PM

Because most of mine died as a system crash, it was more of the end of the world scenario so they died together knowing they were going to better place.

tkeracer619 · 01/19/2007, 12:38 PM

I lost my lineatus, and orange shoulder tang from that order. My scarlet wrasse is the meanest wrasse I have ever seen, I doubt it will go into the reef.

Personally, I wouldn't do it again............ I'll pay the extra to get it from a supplier. A lot of fish are lost going from diver to supplier. I want the supplier to loose the fish not me.

rmougey · 01/24/2007, 12:34 AM

I had fairly good success with the order. All the fish were quarantined for 4-6 weeks (depending on critter) before they went into the display tanks.

I still have my Purple Linkia, Mystery Wrasse, Zebra Eel and Chevron Tang.

I lost both cleaner shrimp within 3 days of the order arriving. One died during a molt.

I would order from Alex again. But as noted above, diver direct has it's own risks. By the time you purchase a critter from the LFS, the supply chain has absorbed the losses. Hopefully your LFS quarantines it's animals for you.

-Rob

jgonzz · 11/30/2007, 10:17 AM

update anybody?

gjm258 · 11/30/2007, 11:00 AM

So 70% of the fish lost were because people didn't quarantine, had their tank crash or in general didn't follow proper acclimation techniques..... good to know!

jgonzz · 11/30/2007, 11:07 AM

ya and this order is for advanced aquarists

roadracn · 11/30/2007, 11:10 AM

how do you come up with 70%? Wich LFS store do you work for JG that has you so up in arms about ordering direct?

jgonzz · 11/30/2007, 11:13 AM

i didnt say %70 gjm did

calm down and read through

gjm258 · 11/30/2007, 11:17 AM

I'm not up in arms about ordering direct. I'm up in arms about people who are just saying things to cause trouble.

I'm trying to point out that by reading the posts above, most of the fish lost were due to owner mistakes, not buying fish direct.

10/06/2006, 03:50 PM	#1
reefsafe Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 2,332	Hawaii Group Buy 2 - Mortality update I lost pair of Orange Bar Wrasses 1 Potter's Angel how bout the rest of you?

10/06/2006, 10:38 PM	#6
Clown-N-Around Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thornton, CO :) Posts: 2,168	The male wrasse was DOA, the female died in QT. __________________ Christina Current Tank Info: 120 Reef - softies and scorpion fish, 20H nano, future 375 gallon in the works

10/07/2006, 01:09 AM	#9
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	My lineatus, scarlet, and orange shoulder are great. I had no mortality. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

10/07/2006, 10:16 AM	#10
reefsafe Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 2,332	my lineatus, one potter, two female flame wrasses are fine though. would do it again if i i had to. __________________ Is there such thing as a big enough tank? Tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1969509 Current Tank Info: 360 Gallon AGE tank, Radion lighting, mp60 pumps and lots of equipment

10/07/2006, 12:17 PM	#11
chadscharf Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 383	My yellow eye kole and naso are doing great. They've been eating anything and everything that goes in the tank and have been playing together since I put them in. I'm sorry to hear about all your guys' losses though. That's a real bummer. :-( __________________ ...I also thought about getting a gun and becomin' a crack dealer. I wouldn't be, like, a mean crack dealer...I'd be a nice one. I'd just be like "Hey, guys, what's up? You want some crack?". Current Tank Info: 120g Reef, 90g FOWLR predatory, 29g QT and 3,400sqft of potential fish room :-)

10/06/2006, 05:30 PM	#2
scchase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Aurora CO USA Posts: 1,402	Heh you lost some of the harder fish out there especially the wrasses. I lost my butterfly and soldierfish but that was because I let ammonia get too high in my Q tank.

10/06/2006, 06:40 PM	#3
jgonzz Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eaton Posts: 646	my naso died 6 days after he would not eat anything, live brine, mysis,seaweed, nothing.

10/06/2006, 07:21 PM	#4
roadracn Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aurora Posts: 675	Yellow eye never made it out of the bag and the Naso RIP! Curt

10/06/2006, 08:07 PM	#5
Jagermeister Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 1,003	Lost both of the potters mimic wrasses. Learned some more about setting up a good, adequate qt though.

10/06/2006, 10:53 PM	#7
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	yea I lost my yellolw eyed kole tang and yellow tang... wow did any one have any luck?

10/06/2006, 10:56 PM	#8
scchase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Aurora CO USA Posts: 1,402	All 8 of my Anthias are doing great along with my Naso Tang.

10/10/2006, 10:48 AM	#12
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	Sad but I lost my orange shoulder over night. Yesterday I had noticed it was acting shy and reclusive. I knew something was wrong since this fish swam around activly from the second it was added to the tank. Was eating great up untill yesterday. Havent got through all the tests yet, I doubt it was in the water. Poor guy. Edit: Amonia, Nitrite, Nitrates - 0 SG: 1.023 Copper - 0 All other fish alive, so signs of external causes. Will rule this one internal something or other. This sucks, my hippo isnt going to be happy. They had so much fun together. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k. Last edited by tkeracer619; 10/10/2006 at 11:36 AM.

01/19/2007, 10:47 AM	#13
Clown-N-Around Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thornton, CO :) Posts: 2,168	Since I know there is another Hawaii buy pending, I thought it might be pertinent for people considering participation to understand the plusses and minuses. I am not sure what the overall mortality rate for the group was. As you can see above, some people posted no losses. But I know both of my fish died. Participating in the last Hawaii buy convinced me that I want to go to an LFS and see how a fish acts, swims, eats, etc. before I buy. I know buying direct is cheaper since you are assuming some of the risks of transportation and acclimation to captivity, but I would rather pay someone else more and not watch fish die. It makes me too sad! Just my opinion. __________________ Christina Current Tank Info: 120 Reef - softies and scorpion fish, 20H nano, future 375 gallon in the works

01/19/2007, 11:03 AM	#14
reefsafe Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 2,332	I lost all of mine but part of that was because my tank crashed. But the orange bars did not last long at all. __________________ Is there such thing as a big enough tank? Tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1969509 Current Tank Info: 360 Gallon AGE tank, Radion lighting, mp60 pumps and lots of equipment

01/19/2007, 11:06 AM	#15
roadracn Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aurora Posts: 675	sure you get what you pay for, but on that note, we got them strait from the ocean, they didn't pass through the LFS water, tank, shock, ick, etc, and we lost a few. I HATE to lose a fish, but I still think we are not stressing the fish as much as sending them through a store, and they were so cheap compaired to LFS...

01/19/2007, 12:26 PM	#16
artful-dodger Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Highlands Ranch, Colorado Posts: 3,011	death isn't stressful? __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." -- Thomas Jefferson Current Tank Info: 140g RR Oceanic "Ultimate" mixed reef, 37g softies, 40g RBTA tank, 65g FOWLR, 40g breeder frag, and (of course) a 29g QT! ...next up is a 240g! (Gotta go to K-Mart and buy a life...)

01/19/2007, 12:34 PM	#17
reefsafe Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 2,332	Because most of mine died as a system crash, it was more of the end of the world scenario so they died together knowing they were going to better place. __________________ Is there such thing as a big enough tank? Tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1969509 Current Tank Info: 360 Gallon AGE tank, Radion lighting, mp60 pumps and lots of equipment

01/19/2007, 12:38 PM	#18
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	I lost my lineatus, and orange shoulder tang from that order. My scarlet wrasse is the meanest wrasse I have ever seen, I doubt it will go into the reef. Personally, I wouldn't do it again............ I'll pay the extra to get it from a supplier. A lot of fish are lost going from diver to supplier. I want the supplier to loose the fish not me. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/24/2007, 12:34 AM	#19
rmougey Chair, MACNA 2014 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO Posts: 1,341	I had fairly good success with the order. All the fish were quarantined for 4-6 weeks (depending on critter) before they went into the display tanks. I still have my Purple Linkia, Mystery Wrasse, Zebra Eel and Chevron Tang. I lost both cleaner shrimp within 3 days of the order arriving. One died during a molt. I would order from Alex again. But as noted above, diver direct has it's own risks. By the time you purchase a critter from the LFS, the supply chain has absorbed the losses. Hopefully your LFS quarantines it's animals for you. -Rob __________________ If at first you don't succeed, you didn't quarantine long enough!

11/30/2007, 10:17 AM	#20
jgonzz Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eaton Posts: 646	update anybody?

11/30/2007, 11:00 AM	#21
gjm258 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 186	So 70% of the fish lost were because people didn't quarantine, had their tank crash or in general didn't follow proper acclimation techniques..... good to know!

11/30/2007, 11:07 AM	#22
jgonzz Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eaton Posts: 646	ya and this order is for advanced aquarists

11/30/2007, 11:10 AM	#23
roadracn Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aurora Posts: 675	how do you come up with 70%? Wich LFS store do you work for JG that has you so up in arms about ordering direct?

11/30/2007, 11:13 AM	#24
jgonzz Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eaton Posts: 646	i didnt say %70 gjm did calm down and read through

11/30/2007, 11:17 AM	#25
gjm258 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 186	I'm not up in arms about ordering direct. I'm up in arms about people who are just saying things to cause trouble. I'm trying to point out that by reading the posts above, most of the fish lost were due to owner mistakes, not buying fish direct.