Regal Angel Primer - Page 249

cali9dub · 10/06/2020, 06:57 AM

So in QT which meds should be run to prevent this sort of thing ?? Thanks !

OrionN · 10/06/2020, 10:14 AM

Appropriate med early would help. I am very surprised that he was eating with infection going on

cali9dub · 10/06/2020, 10:30 AM

Eating like a champ. I thought initially he had gotten bitten by my tusk as he is a super aggressive eater. Regal ate like crazy one day, was in hiding the next (that’s when the damage showed up) and dead the next am.

Michael Hoaster · 10/06/2020, 04:44 PM

It's Uronema! Very common with chromis and damsels nowadays. It kills very fast, like the third day. First day looks great, second the side sore appears, third day dead. So, you really need to have the right meds ready on day one. Sorry for your loss.

cali9dub · 10/06/2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Hoaster

It's Uronema! Very common with chromis and damsels nowadays. It kills very fast, like the third day. First day looks great, second the side sore appears, third day dead. So, you really need to have the right meds ready on day one. Sorry for your loss.

What meds are those? And can those meds being used in quarantine to keep this from happening or is it something that happened in my tank ?? Thanks for all the help.

Michael Hoaster · 10/06/2020, 05:50 PM

For uronema, get Seachem Metroplex and Focus. This gets the medication on outside and inside of the fish, which is needed for uronema. Follow all directions to the letter! The type is very small on the packages, so have a magnifying glass handy.

For prophylactic treatment on first adding fish to QT, I like API General Cure. It has both Metronidazole and Praziquantel in it. Also, over the first week, I gradually lower salinity to hypo salinity levels, to treat for ICK. It's much less dangerous to the fish than copper.

The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!

cali9dub · 10/06/2020, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Hoaster

For uronema, get Seachem Metroplex and Focus. This gets the medication on outside and inside of the fish, which is needed for uronema. Follow all directions to the letter! The type is very small on the packages, so have a magnifying glass handy.

For prophylactic treatment on first adding fish to QT, I like API General Cure. It has both Metronidazole and Praziquantel in it. Also, over the first week, I gradually lower salinity to hypo salinity levels, to treat for ICK. It's much less dangerous to the fish than copper.

The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!

Hmmm interesting. That’s the only fish I’ve had any type of problem with in 3 years. I’d hate to rip apart my display and sterilize it. Sounds like you can’t put anything back in. ie : corals, nems, etc.

Michael Hoaster · 10/06/2020, 06:02 PM

Yeah, the prospect of breaking down a display is a huge bummer. I would think you could dip your corals, etcetera in a coral dip.

cali9dub · 10/06/2020, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Hoaster

Yeah, the prospect of breaking down a display is a huge bummer. I would think you could dip your corals, etcetera in a coral dip.

I’d need a 55 gallon drum.

cali9dub · 10/07/2020, 10:28 AM

Also does it only manifest itself when there is some sort of injury? Or can it pop up randomly at any time ??

Michael Hoaster · 10/07/2020, 11:14 AM

My fish that got it looked great on day one - no injuries. It may appear to be random, but you either have it in your tank or not. I don't know if you could get away without disinfecting your system. That's for you to decide. Just remember running the tank fallow won't cure it.

I fear that every point along the chain of custody, from the sea to our tanks, has been infected. You think those businesses can afford to take their systems off line in order to disinfect them? I doubt it, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

And because it's seen as a damsel/chromis problem, the cure costs more than the fish, so there's little incentive to fix the it. They are literally expendable.

In the big picture, I see your Regal Angel death as a (possible) last straw for the biz, which could be a good thing. If expensive fish are now getting infected, the incentive increases to actually do something about it.

ThePurple12 · 10/07/2020, 05:07 PM

Bacterial infections in general mainly affect fish with a compromised immune system or injuries. Like the regal angel. It was new and probably kind of stressed/weakened from shipping, and it succumbed to the infection. I think your other fish will be fine.

cali9dub · 10/07/2020, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePurple12

Bacterial infections in general mainly affect fish with a compromised immune system or injuries. Like the regal angel. It was new and probably kind of stressed/weakened from shipping, and it succumbed to the infection. I think your other fish will be fine.

Hope so. I haven’t seen anything prior or since. Not sure if running a UV sterile room helps mitigate it with healthy fish. I’m due for a bulb change. Probably over due !!

ThRoewer · 10/11/2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Hoaster

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The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!

It is highly likely that most reef tanks have Uronema in it. And there is near certainty that you will find Uronema in all coral systems at your local reef store.
It's coming on rocks, corals,... anything wet that isn't a fish.

Uronema is primarily feeding of bacteria. Generally, only if weakened fish have wounds with secondary bacterial infections Uronema may become a problem when it follows the bacteria to feed on them and then also starts feeding on the fish's tissue.

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10/06/2020, 10:14 AM	#6202
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	Appropriate med early would help. I am very surprised that he was eating with infection going on __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

10/06/2020, 04:44 PM	#6204
Michael Hoaster Registered Seaweedist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 5,807	It's Uronema! Very common with chromis and damsels nowadays. It kills very fast, like the third day. First day looks great, second the side sore appears, third day dead. So, you really need to have the right meds ready on day one. Sorry for your loss. __________________ As many naturalists and environmentalists have suggested, we should set aside our arrogance, our desire to conquer and control everything, and walk hand in hand with Mother Nature. -Walter Adey Current Tank Info: 180g Seagrass Sandbar Lagoon, START DATE November 28, 2018

10/06/2020, 05:50 PM	#6206
Michael Hoaster Registered Seaweedist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 5,807	For uronema, get Seachem Metroplex and Focus. This gets the medication on outside and inside of the fish, which is needed for uronema. Follow all directions to the letter! The type is very small on the packages, so have a magnifying glass handy. For prophylactic treatment on first adding fish to QT, I like API General Cure. It has both Metronidazole and Praziquantel in it. Also, over the first week, I gradually lower salinity to hypo salinity levels, to treat for ICK. It's much less dangerous to the fish than copper. The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it. I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps! __________________ As many naturalists and environmentalists have suggested, we should set aside our arrogance, our desire to conquer and control everything, and walk hand in hand with Mother Nature. -Walter Adey Current Tank Info: 180g Seagrass Sandbar Lagoon, START DATE November 28, 2018

10/06/2020, 06:02 PM	#6208
Michael Hoaster Registered Seaweedist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 5,807	Yeah, the prospect of breaking down a display is a huge bummer. I would think you could dip your corals, etcetera in a coral dip. __________________ As many naturalists and environmentalists have suggested, we should set aside our arrogance, our desire to conquer and control everything, and walk hand in hand with Mother Nature. -Walter Adey Current Tank Info: 180g Seagrass Sandbar Lagoon, START DATE November 28, 2018

10/07/2020, 11:14 AM	#6211
Michael Hoaster Registered Seaweedist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 5,807	My fish that got it looked great on day one - no injuries. It may appear to be random, but you either have it in your tank or not. I don't know if you could get away without disinfecting your system. That's for you to decide. Just remember running the tank fallow won't cure it. I fear that every point along the chain of custody, from the sea to our tanks, has been infected. You think those businesses can afford to take their systems off line in order to disinfect them? I doubt it, but I'd love to be proven wrong. And because it's seen as a damsel/chromis problem, the cure costs more than the fish, so there's little incentive to fix the it. They are literally expendable. In the big picture, I see your Regal Angel death as a (possible) last straw for the biz, which could be a good thing. If expensive fish are now getting infected, the incentive increases to actually do something about it. __________________ As many naturalists and environmentalists have suggested, we should set aside our arrogance, our desire to conquer and control everything, and walk hand in hand with Mother Nature. -Walter Adey Current Tank Info: 180g Seagrass Sandbar Lagoon, START DATE November 28, 2018

10/06/2020, 06:57 AM	#6201
cali9dub Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 888	So in QT which meds should be run to prevent this sort of thing ?? Thanks !

10/06/2020, 10:30 AM	#6203
cali9dub Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 888	Eating like a champ. I thought initially he had gotten bitten by my tusk as he is a super aggressive eater. Regal ate like crazy one day, was in hiding the next (that’s when the damage showed up) and dead the next am.

10/07/2020, 10:28 AM	#6210
cali9dub Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 888	Also does it only manifest itself when there is some sort of injury? Or can it pop up randomly at any time ??

10/07/2020, 05:07 PM	#6212
ThePurple12 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Virginia Posts: 506	Bacterial infections in general mainly affect fish with a compromised immune system or injuries. Like the regal angel. It was new and probably kind of stressed/weakened from shipping, and it succumbed to the infection. I think your other fish will be fine.