Our tank's biology up close - Page 22

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 11:37 AM

I'm assuming the crystalline shaped stuff is diatoms?

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 12:40 PM

It's very possible you have a true branching cyano bacteria. Looking it up now. Which is cool. Well, to see it under the microscope it is.

Overflow_Sample04-0064 by Jason, on Flickr

Overflow_Sample04-0062 by Jason, on Flickr

Overflow_Sample04-0007 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 12:43 PM

Y shape poky things are sponge spicules

Overflow_Sample04-0012 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 12:47 PM

You different flavors of cyano

Overflow_Sample04-0001 by Jason, on Flickr

Overflow_Sample04-0002 by Jason, on Flickr

Coral_Tip_Sample03-0041 by Jason, on Flickr

Coral_Tip_Sample03-0049 by Jason, on Flickr

Coral_Tip_Sample03-0071 by Jason, on Flickr

Another another kind in the next series getting uploaded

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

I'm assuming the crystalline shaped stuff is diatoms?

bunch of diatoms stuck to the outside of the algae

Coral_Tip_Sample03-0007 by Jason, on Flickr

Close up of one

Coral_Tip_Sample03-0029 by Jason, on Flickr

ReefWreak · 09/14/2017, 12:56 PM

Love the pictures and commentary, but honestly super interested in the answer to this

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

vibrio as in the flesh rotting bacteria!!!?? I thought that only infected people, not tanks.

Is that the little curved wormy things? I didn't see it in sample 3? just in the overflow samples?

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 01:17 PM

Sponge spicules means that I have sponges shedding in my tank?

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 01:18 PM

I have my hand (cuts and all) in the tank almost everyday.

No flesh eating bacteria on me...am I immune? Is it a close relative that's not harmful?

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

vibrio as in the flesh rotting bacteria!!!?? I thought that only infected people, not tanks.

Is that the little curved wormy things? I didn't see it in sample 3? just in the overflow samples?

Vibro is a shape type of bacteria like coccus is a round type. So, I would assume not all vibro is flesh eating.

But there are many bad kinds of vibro and some that effect corals or fish and humans. Honestly it's the one thing I've seen so far that would concern me and would look up to see if that's what that was.

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

Sponge spicules means that I have sponges shedding in my tank?

basically and spreading to grow elsewhere.

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

I have my hand (cuts and all) in the tank almost everyday.

No flesh eating bacteria on me...am I immune? Is it a close relative that's not harmful?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242837/

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242837/

Ok. So it's everywhere in real marine environments.

That's what I get for encouraging diversity!!! I get everything/ good bad ugly.

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 01:43 PM

Where's the BMF? Black mat fuzz

jason2459 · 09/14/2017, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimwassef

Where's the BMF? Black mat fuzz

been trying to get it uploaded again here on a crappy wifi and it keeps stopping and having to tell it to continue. Hopefully tonight will get it finished uploaded.

karimwassef · 09/14/2017, 02:06 PM

Ok. Thanks for doing this... it's awesome

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:33 AM

Finally got the mystery black mat uploaded

Sliced off chunk plus pipette pulled.

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:39 AM

I started off with the chunk and really had to push the exposure up to get light through it and so much so you'll see some bounce back glare in some of the images. And any spot that actually allowed some light through some what decently will be very bright white and over exposed by a lot.

Thick full of cyano and some detritus. See some common cyano I've seen, some spirulina, and some of what I think are cyano but haven't seen in my tank yet either. Some algae packed in too. Didn't see sponge or anything like it. From what I saw its all bacteria tightly packed in and some detritus and algae "swallowed" up into the mass. Bacteria of various types and sizes from the very small creating bacterial films to the large cyano.

Black_Mat_Sample01-0002 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0003 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0004 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0005 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0006 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0007 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0008 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0009 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0010 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:43 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0011 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0012 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0013 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0014 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0015 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0016 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0017 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0018 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:44 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0020 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0021 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0022 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0023 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0024 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0025 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0026 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0027 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0028 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0029 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:49 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0030 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0031 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0032 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0033 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0034 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0035 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0036 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0037 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0038 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0039 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:52 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0040 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0041 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0042 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0043 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0044 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0045 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0046 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0047 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0048 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0049 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:54 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0050 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0051 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0052 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0053 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0054 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0055 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0056 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0058 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0059 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:55 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0060 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0061 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0062 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0063 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0064 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0065 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0066 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0067 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0068 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0069 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:56 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0071 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0072 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0073 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0075 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0078 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0080 by Jason, on Flickr

jason2459 · 09/15/2017, 09:57 AM

Black_Mat_Sample01-0081 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0082 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0084 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0086 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0087 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0088 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0089 by Jason, on Flickr

Black_Mat_Sample01-0090 by Jason, on Flickr

09/14/2017, 11:37 AM	#526
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I'm assuming the crystalline shaped stuff is diatoms? __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/14/2017, 12:40 PM	#527
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	It's very possible you have a true branching cyano bacteria. Looking it up now. Which is cool. Well, to see it under the microscope it is. Overflow_Sample04-0064 by Jason, on Flickr Overflow_Sample04-0062 by Jason, on Flickr Overflow_Sample04-0007 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 09/14/2017 at 01:13 PM.

09/14/2017, 12:43 PM	#528
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Y shape poky things are sponge spicules Overflow_Sample04-0012 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/14/2017, 12:47 PM	#529
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	You different flavors of cyano Overflow_Sample04-0001 by Jason, on Flickr Overflow_Sample04-0002 by Jason, on Flickr Coral_Tip_Sample03-0041 by Jason, on Flickr Coral_Tip_Sample03-0049 by Jason, on Flickr Coral_Tip_Sample03-0071 by Jason, on Flickr Another another kind in the next series getting uploaded __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/14/2017, 01:17 PM	#532
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	Sponge spicules means that I have sponges shedding in my tank? __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/14/2017, 01:18 PM	#533
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I have my hand (cuts and all) in the tank almost everyday. No flesh eating bacteria on me...am I immune? Is it a close relative that's not harmful? __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/14/2017, 01:43 PM	#538
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	Where's the BMF? Black mat fuzz __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/14/2017, 02:06 PM	#540
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	Ok. Thanks for doing this... it's awesome __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/15/2017, 09:33 AM	#541
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Finally got the mystery black mat uploaded Sliced off chunk plus pipette pulled. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:39 AM	#542
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I started off with the chunk and really had to push the exposure up to get light through it and so much so you'll see some bounce back glare in some of the images. And any spot that actually allowed some light through some what decently will be very bright white and over exposed by a lot. Thick full of cyano and some detritus. See some common cyano I've seen, some spirulina, and some of what I think are cyano but haven't seen in my tank yet either. Some algae packed in too. Didn't see sponge or anything like it. From what I saw its all bacteria tightly packed in and some detritus and algae "swallowed" up into the mass. Bacteria of various types and sizes from the very small creating bacterial films to the large cyano. Black_Mat_Sample01-0002 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0003 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0004 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0005 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0006 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0007 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0008 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0009 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0010 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 09/15/2017 at 09:46 AM.

09/15/2017, 09:43 AM	#543
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0011 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0012 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0013 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0014 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0015 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0016 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0017 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0018 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:44 AM	#544
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0020 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0021 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0022 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0023 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0024 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0025 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0026 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0027 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0028 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0029 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:49 AM	#545
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0030 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0031 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0032 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0033 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0034 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0035 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0036 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0037 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0038 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0039 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:52 AM	#546
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0040 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0041 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0042 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0043 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0044 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0045 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0046 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0047 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0048 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0049 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:54 AM	#547
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0050 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0051 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0052 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0053 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0054 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0055 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0056 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0058 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0059 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:55 AM	#548
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0060 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0061 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0062 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0063 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0064 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0065 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0066 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0067 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0068 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0069 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:56 AM	#549
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0071 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0072 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0073 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0075 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0078 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0080 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/15/2017, 09:57 AM	#550
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Black_Mat_Sample01-0081 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0082 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0084 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0086 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0087 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0088 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0089 by Jason, on Flickr Black_Mat_Sample01-0090 by Jason, on Flickr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank