Frogspawn coral help

Anemoneee · 08/07/2020, 02:11 PM

Hi everyone
My frogspawn had 3 head, one shrine in and die during coral dipping. Now few month later second head not opening up anymore and start hiding back to skeleton, almost completely gone. My third head is doing great. Can anyone tell me why that would happen? They come from the same frag
Thank You

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Anemoneee · 08/07/2020, 03:22 PM

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Timfish · 08/08/2020, 09:03 AM

Seeing that picture my first thought is the Kenya Tree is brushing up against teh frogspawn occasionally. For best results lighting and water parameters should be as close as possible to the conditins it was under previously.

It's easy to think since they are clones of each other all the polyps in a colony will behave the same but the opposite is more correct. Each polyp is an individual animal and can behave or respond differently to environmental conditions. It may also be necessary to consider individual polyps seperate from colonies as polyp age has been documented in some species to be significantly less than colony age. This paper is pretty thick but a fascinating look into aging in corals:

Do Corals Age?

Sk8r · 08/08/2020, 09:05 AM

Agree. Having softies and stonies in the same tank is a balancing act even with feet between them. Close up, this results.

Anemoneee · 08/08/2020, 09:19 AM

Thank You

That helped alot.

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Sk8r · 08/08/2020, 09:29 AM

It looks as if most everything is within reach of that kenya tree. You might want to establish a separate holding place for it. In a tank, running carbon almost constantly is a way to absorb the chemical that softies spit into the water to discourage other corals. Mixing can be done. But if you have the option to trade that fellow for another stony, do! (another difference: stonies will require a calcium addition to your water, and you have a good selection of them started---but they will not grow well in the presence of the kenya tree or any softie except mushrooms---and I'm suspicious of them.) Easiest to maintain a tank with all stonies or all softies: mixing brings this sort of trouble, and never gets the best growth, ime.

Anemoneee · 08/08/2020, 10:33 AM

Thanks Sk8r

I'll try to place him in my QT see what happens. I'll see if I can trade with others on the forum.

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MarAquatic · 08/08/2020, 03:03 PM

Kenya tree is the culprit for sure. They frag themselves and are a pain in the butt. Most softies like those will kill other corals and sps

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Sk8r · 08/08/2020, 06:08 PM

BTW, don't frag off that dead head: sometimes they produce tissue from deep inside the skeleton. Not always. But sometimes. Also, if you can find the popped head, put it in a shallow glass bowl in the tank and don't disturb it. A head can regrow skeleton as skeleton can sometimes regrow a head.

Anemoneee · 08/08/2020, 07:19 PM

Wow
Thanks for the great info guys

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08/07/2020, 02:11 PM	#1
Anemoneee Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 133	Frogspawn coral help Hi everyone My frogspawn had 3 head, one shrine in and die during coral dipping. Now few month later second head not opening up anymore and start hiding back to skeleton, almost completely gone. My third head is doing great. Can anyone tell me why that would happen? They come from the same frag Thank You Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

08/08/2020, 09:03 AM	#3
Timfish Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,985	Seeing that picture my first thought is the Kenya Tree is brushing up against teh frogspawn occasionally. For best results lighting and water parameters should be as close as possible to the conditins it was under previously. It's easy to think since they are clones of each other all the polyps in a colony will behave the same but the opposite is more correct. Each polyp is an individual animal and can behave or respond differently to environmental conditions. It may also be necessary to consider individual polyps seperate from colonies as polyp age has been documented in some species to be significantly less than colony age. This paper is pretty thick but a fascinating look into aging in corals: Do Corals Age? __________________ "Our crystal clear aquaria come nowhere close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs" Charles Delbeek

08/08/2020, 09:05 AM	#4
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Agree. Having softies and stonies in the same tank is a balancing act even with feet between them. Close up, this results. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/08/2020, 09:29 AM	#6
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	It looks as if most everything is within reach of that kenya tree. You might want to establish a separate holding place for it. In a tank, running carbon almost constantly is a way to absorb the chemical that softies spit into the water to discourage other corals. Mixing can be done. But if you have the option to trade that fellow for another stony, do! (another difference: stonies will require a calcium addition to your water, and you have a good selection of them started---but they will not grow well in the presence of the kenya tree or any softie except mushrooms---and I'm suspicious of them.) Easiest to maintain a tank with all stonies or all softies: mixing brings this sort of trouble, and never gets the best growth, ime. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/08/2020, 06:08 PM	#9
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	BTW, don't frag off that dead head: sometimes they produce tissue from deep inside the skeleton. Not always. But sometimes. Also, if you can find the popped head, put it in a shallow glass bowl in the tank and don't disturb it. A head can regrow skeleton as skeleton can sometimes regrow a head. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/07/2020, 03:22 PM	#2
Anemoneee Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 133	Forgot picture Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

08/08/2020, 09:19 AM	#5
Anemoneee Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 133	Thank You That helped alot. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

08/08/2020, 10:33 AM	#7
Anemoneee Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 133	Thanks Sk8r I'll try to place him in my QT see what happens. I'll see if I can trade with others on the forum. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

08/08/2020, 03:03 PM	#8
MarAquatic Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 689	Kenya tree is the culprit for sure. They frag themselves and are a pain in the butt. Most softies like those will kill other corals and sps Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

08/08/2020, 07:19 PM	#10
Anemoneee Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 133	Wow Thanks for the great info guys Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk