Difficult and Special Care Species List - Page 3

happyface888 · 07/08/2007, 05:00 PM

I'd assume so, I think it might help some people who dont know the scientific name to use the common name to help them. Ok going to avoid all three of thoes dwarfs.

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 06:12 PM

You guys are making me want to keep the funny wording rather than edit it

The common name I see for it is usually Heraldi Angelfish, but I guess Yellow Angel is another.

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 06:19 PM

edit: double post

edwing206 · 07/08/2007, 06:54 PM

Just read the list. Thanks. It basically eliminated everything you see in a LFS. lol.

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by edwing206
Just read the list. Thanks. It basically eliminated everything you see in a LFS. lol.

It's not that bad...

happyface888 · 07/08/2007, 10:09 PM

Hmm a thought just came to me is there a compatiblity list somewhere? XD

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by happyface888
Hmm a thought just came to me is there a compatiblity list somewhere? XD

There are a lot of charts floating around, if you do a google search you will find several. It seems many of them used the chart in "The Tetra Encyclopedia of the Marine Aquarium" by Mills as a guideline.

happyface888 · 07/08/2007, 10:49 PM

I looked into liveaquarias but it seems some fish they mention are compatabile are not. Thats what throws me off when buying a fish.

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by happyface888
I looked into liveaquarias but it seems some fish they mention are compatabile are not. Thats what throws me off when buying a fish.

It's such a tough thing to make alist/chart about compatibility because there are so many factors involved. It's a little more cut and dry with a list like mine but not a whole lot. There will always be exceptions to the rule. I've seem peaceful gobies terrorize tankmates and I'm sure there is someone out there that had an Orange Spotted Filefish that ate flake food.

zemuron114 · 07/08/2007, 11:28 PM

there is a few people in Hawaii that I know that have kept them long term. Copps here on RC has had one for a while i think.

my point on longnose hawks is that they shouldnt be on the list at all. Very hardy which is againt the reason for the thread i believe.

butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies

happyface888 · 07/08/2007, 11:38 PM

Hmm I heard someone tell me that the long nose hawk are hard to get them to eat? Is that right?

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by happyface888
Hmm I heard someone tell me that the long nose hawk are hard to get them to eat? Is that right?

Nah, they're usually pigs. If one isn't eating it's sick, unhappy, or an oddity.

Peter Eichler · 07/09/2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by zemuron114
there is a few people in Hawaii that I know that have kept them long term. Copps here on RC has had one for a while i think.

my point on longnose hawks is that they shouldnt be on the list at all. Very hardy which is againt the reason for the thread i believe.

butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies

If this were a list only for fish that aren't hardy then I'd agree with you, but it's not. It's on there because many of them jump out of aquariums, moreso than any other fish we commonly keep IME. They're also notorious for eating ornamental shrimp as are other Hawkfish. In the notes it says they are hardy so I don't think many people are going to be confused as to why it's on there.

pirate2876 · 07/09/2007, 04:12 AM

how about latzinatus clowns?theyre not know to be hardy

hankthetank · 07/09/2007, 05:16 AM

Bump......with a purpose.

wayne in norway · 07/09/2007, 05:22 AM

I'm surprised to see C. heraldi on the list, and to some extent C. bicolor as I have kept both and found them not especially demanding. MAybe the ones that go to the US take more of a beating, and I think the US also prefers larger fish that are harder to get feeding.

Paracentropyge multifasciata is trickier. There re several peole in the UK who have kept them for a long time, and of course Frank Baensch was selling captive spawned/raised examples

bureau13 · 07/09/2007, 12:17 PM

You may want to add some common names where there are none (the one that jumped out at me, because I experienced it first hand: Pseodojuloides sp wrasses. I bought a "pencil wrasse" at a local LFS, and it seemed OK for a while, but rarely ate and eventually disappeared forever. Of course, a little after-the-fact research revealed it to be an excellent candidate for your list, but most LFS don't list the proper species names, and many of those don't even know them.

jds

zemuron114 · 07/09/2007, 12:29 PM

good point. they are more prone to jump. I enjoy your list

SDguy · 07/09/2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by zemuron114
butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies

WetWebMedia has a pretty thorough and practical guide to butterfly fish (Good, medium, and poor choices for the aquarium). I would just recommend people look there than to try to break it all down on this list.

As for the anthias, of the commonly available species, I don't think bimacs are particularly difficult. I'd replace that listing with Pseudanthias tuka (purple queen).

TWallace · 07/09/2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Peter Eichler
Thanks for the props guys.

HB thanks for the interesting info. I'd appreciate more experienes from people with Potter's and Blue Reef Chromis.

I've tried a few Potter's over the years and would definitely agree they're not as easy to care for as most other dwarf angels. I currently have one in my 55. I've had it about a month (2 weeks in QT first). So far it's looking good and eating ok, but I still think it could die at any second, due to my previous experiences with them. It was a picky eater at first, but luckily I leave my QT running at all times and it has a healthy population of copepods, amphipods and mysis shrimp, which the Potter's devoured.

I previously tried one about 7 months ago. It got a few white spots on it during quarantine, and the next day it was dead, before I had a chance to get the hyposalinity going. I've had similar failures in the past, often they won't eat prepared foods.

Peter Eichler · 07/09/2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by pirate2876
how about latzinatus clowns?theyre not know to be hardy

My comment about wild clownfish would apply here. Do you really think it's much worse than any other wild clownfish after being flown half way around the world? They're so infrequently available that I just haven't seen enough info one way or another. So for that one I'd have to strictly rely on others feedback. Do you have any links with good discussions about the problems with them?

Thanks,
Peter

happyface888 · 07/09/2007, 10:25 PM

Interesting

Peter Eichler · 07/09/2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by wayne in norway
I'm surprised to see C. heraldi on the list, and to some extent C. bicolor as I have kept both and found them not especially demanding. MAybe the ones that go to the US take more of a beating, and I think the US also prefers larger fish that are harder to get feeding.

Paracentropyge multifasciata is trickier. There re several peole in the UK who have kept them for a long time, and of course Frank Baensch was selling captive spawned/raised examples

That are two fish that are regulalrly collected using drugs. That is the bulk of their problems. If you can obtain a fish that were net collected your success rates will be much greater. The problem is at the LFS they usually have no clue where the fish was collected from. With the Bicolor Angel a higher price than usual can indicate that the chances of it being net collected are much greater. Improper collection practices are common with many dwarf angels, these are just the two that seem to be most commonly collected using drugs.

Here's what Frank has to say about the Multibarred Angel.

"In the aquarium this species has a reputation for being timid and difficult to acclimate. In fact, our broodstock animals could not be coaxed to properly accept aquarium foods for six weeks. Sadly, most collected multibarred angels survive only a few weeks in captivity. We were excited to find that our captive-bred multibarred juveniles eagerly accepted aquarium foods and that shy behavior often found in collected adults was absent."

I look forward to the day that tank raised specimens are more widely available at a decent price. Sadly, unless I heard wrong, the captive breeding of Angels by RCT is at least on hold for a while.

happyface888 · 07/09/2007, 10:41 PM

What are the common drugs used to catch fish? Cyanide? Peter I was wondering do baby triggers fall in the list of hard to care for fish since alot of them are cyanide caught? They may look healthy but one day they suddenly die. I read they die because of liver failure.

Peter Eichler · 07/10/2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by happyface888
What are the common drugs used to catch fish? Cyanide? Peter I was wondering do baby triggers fall in the list of hard to care for fish since alot of them are cyanide caught? They may look healthy but one day they suddenly die. I read they die because of liver failure.

Cyanide and bleach are the two most common substances used, though there might be others I'm not aware of.

Triggerfish are tricky, I don't think it's so common that they're as bad as the two Angels on the list. However, it's common enough with many fish that all hobbyists should educate themselves about possible problems and symptoms of fish caught using cyanide.

07/08/2007, 06:12 PM	#52
Peter Eichler Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,081	You guys are making me want to keep the funny wording rather than edit it The common name I see for it is usually Heraldi Angelfish, but I guess Yellow Angel is another. __________________ April 2015 TOTM

07/08/2007, 06:19 PM	#53
Peter Eichler Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,081	edit: double post __________________ April 2015 TOTM

07/08/2007, 06:54 PM	#54
edwing206 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Shoreline,Washington Posts: 4,518	Just read the list. Thanks. It basically eliminated everything you see in a LFS. lol. __________________ The name's Luis. :) Current Tank Info: 50G cube

07/09/2007, 10:25 PM	#72
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	Interesting Last edited by happyface888; 07/09/2007 at 10:35 PM.

07/08/2007, 05:00 PM	#51
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	I'd assume so, I think it might help some people who dont know the scientific name to use the common name to help them. Ok going to avoid all three of thoes dwarfs.

07/08/2007, 10:09 PM	#56
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	Hmm a thought just came to me is there a compatiblity list somewhere? XD

07/08/2007, 10:49 PM	#58
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	I looked into liveaquarias but it seems some fish they mention are compatabile are not. Thats what throws me off when buying a fish.

07/08/2007, 11:28 PM	#60
zemuron114 Moved On Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pilgrim State (Mass) Posts: 4,039	there is a few people in Hawaii that I know that have kept them long term. Copps here on RC has had one for a while i think. my point on longnose hawks is that they shouldnt be on the list at all. Very hardy which is againt the reason for the thread i believe. butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies

07/08/2007, 11:38 PM	#61
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	Hmm I heard someone tell me that the long nose hawk are hard to get them to eat? Is that right?

07/09/2007, 04:12 AM	#64
pirate2876 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san diego CA Posts: 70	how about latzinatus clowns?theyre not know to be hardy

07/09/2007, 05:16 AM	#65
hankthetank Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 161	Bump......with a purpose.

07/09/2007, 05:22 AM	#66
wayne in norway Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 1,271	I'm surprised to see C. heraldi on the list, and to some extent C. bicolor as I have kept both and found them not especially demanding. MAybe the ones that go to the US take more of a beating, and I think the US also prefers larger fish that are harder to get feeding. Paracentropyge multifasciata is trickier. There re several peole in the UK who have kept them for a long time, and of course Frank Baensch was selling captive spawned/raised examples

07/09/2007, 12:17 PM	#67
bureau13 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,936	You may want to add some common names where there are none (the one that jumped out at me, because I experienced it first hand: Pseodojuloides sp wrasses. I bought a "pencil wrasse" at a local LFS, and it seemed OK for a while, but rarely ate and eventually disappeared forever. Of course, a little after-the-fact research revealed it to be an excellent candidate for your list, but most LFS don't list the proper species names, and many of those don't even know them. jds

07/09/2007, 12:29 PM	#68
zemuron114 Moved On Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pilgrim State (Mass) Posts: 4,039	good point. they are more prone to jump. I enjoy your list

07/09/2007, 10:41 PM	#74
happyface888 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 3,987	What are the common drugs used to catch fish? Cyanide? Peter I was wondering do baby triggers fall in the list of hard to care for fish since alot of them are cyanide caught? They may look healthy but one day they suddenly die. I read they die because of liver failure.