KZ Coral Snow = Chalk? - Page 2

tmz · 05/04/2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jason2459

If you removed the fully saturated limewater into another container away from what ever precipitated in the original mixing container then proceed with the above aeration wouldn't that be fairly pure as impurities had mostly already precipitated out into the mixing container ?

Yes, that would help but not all the impurities precipitate even at fully saturated limewater pH ; it would be purer but still not completely purified; so, I'd still use food grade calcium hydroxide or better.

Reefer PT · 10/14/2016, 12:42 PM

resurrecting this post. Have you guys been using this for a while now? any long time KZ users switch and notice same or different results? Just started using the KZ method and if I can save this much cash on a product that is dosed daily I would love it. Can't say I notice a difference in my tank using the coral snow yet but I do know the KZ regimen has me taking better care of the aquarium which may be the key to success of this system. Not much is "set it and forget it" in the reef aquarium.
Dave

Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 06:02 AM

Anybody?

2smokes · 10/17/2016, 07:02 AM

All KZ products are secret so you wont really know what substances you put in your tank so.It isnt food like marine snow wich is made by decaying matter.Ive heard about a reefer here that was advised to mix the coral snow wich is plain kalk with the food

.Just expensive snake oil(kalk).

Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 07:39 AM

Its not a food. It is a flocculant. the excess CaCO3 ions in the water attract and bind organics which then are skimmed out or mechanically removed. KZ never makes any claim that it is food. 2LF's Coral snow is a food, which I believe is where the confusion lies. I'm not saying I am a total believer in the KZ line but I have seen tanks before and after switching to KZ and the results are noticeable. Thanks for your response, but the question was not about the KZ product it was about who, if anyone is still using the DIY version.

jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 2smokes

All KZ products are secret so you wont really know what substances you put in your tank so.It isnt food like marine snow wich is made by decaying matter.Ive heard about a reefer here that was advised to mix the coral snow wich is plain kalk with the food

.Just expensive snake oil(kalk).

KZ Coral Snow (calcium carbonate) is definitely not kalkwasser (calcium hydroxide), as even a small dry amount of kalkwasser dosed to a tank can lead to serious pH spikes.

I've been using the DIY version since this thread opened up, essentially.

jason2459 · 10/17/2016, 08:59 AM

I've been dosing a small amount weekly. Haven't really noticed anything good or bad.

downbeach · 10/17/2016, 09:39 AM

I too used to dose it once a week. It would clarify the water, and I never had any issues with cyano, once I started using it.

Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 09:48 AM

Thanks for the update. $12 for a lifetime of "coral snow" sounds good to me.

jason2459 · 10/17/2016, 10:06 AM

The cheap price on amazon did it for me too to say why not give it a try.

Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 11:08 AM

Before.

After.

I am convinced it does something. This is 1 week after dosing 1ml/25g daily. I know there is more sediment in the before picture and I should have siphoned it off, but hey its a crappy cell phone picture anyway. to the naked eye, I see no yellowing as before. I changed my carbon out 3 weeks ago.

jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefer PT

Before.

After.

I am convinced it does something. This is 1 week after dosing 1ml/25g daily. I know there is more sediment in the before picture and I should have siphoned it off, but hey its a crappy cell phone picture anyway. to the naked eye, I see no yellowing as before. I changed my carbon out 3 weeks ago.

Yes, what you are seeing is normal and is why this product exists

bif24701 · 10/17/2016, 01:48 PM

Could some one help me understand why this is beneficial, I seem to be missing it.

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jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

Could some one help me understand why this is beneficial, I seem to be missing it.

Literally in the first three posts

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Originally Posted by biom

I really like Coral snow because is helps a lot especially when new corals are added into the tank - the chalk reduces the mucus secretion from one side and coagulate organic compounds make them easily removed by skimmer or consumed by bacteria.

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Originally Posted by bertoni

Calcium carbonate particles might make a good flocculant, as you suggest.

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Originally Posted by biom

Yes, it has similar effect on water transparency like activated carbon. Especially if there are yellowing agents in the water. But if you are using activated carbon, there will be no visible effect of course. After addition, water becomes milky but in few hours cloudiness disappear. I'm dosing weekly or biweekly.

Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 02:00 PM

still Using 1/8 teaspoon in 100ml RO/DI, or has the dose changed over the years?

jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefer PT

still Using 1/8 teaspoon in 100ml RO/DI, or has the dose changed over the years?

I actually quit measuring it. I just put some in and say 'yeah, that looks good'. It's cheap enough to the point that the dose doesn't really matter

bif24701 · 10/17/2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jedimasterben

Literally in the first three posts

Lol, ok ok. I guess I was expecting more from something KZ that would cost so much. I guess that's enough, how effective is it?

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jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bif24701

Lol, ok ok. I guess I was expecting more from something KZ that would cost so much. I guess that's enough, how effective is it?

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Take a look at the pics above. It's pretty insane what something so simple can do to what we think is already really clear water.

bif24701 · 10/17/2016, 02:12 PM

I just saw those, that is crazy. I think I actually do need to try this.

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Reefer PT · 10/17/2016, 02:32 PM

I Think this stuff is why KZ gets away with running a small baggie of carbon passively rather then a reactor full! My tank is at work and I dose first thing when I get there at 7:30. By the time the lights come on an hour later its clear. For the cost of the stuff on amazon there is no reason I see not to at least try it.

EvMiBo · 10/17/2016, 02:55 PM

Any advantage to getting 99.9% pure over 97% ?

jedimasterben · 10/17/2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EvMiBo

Any advantage to getting 99.9% pure over 97% ?

Unless it's cheaper, probably not.

bif24701 · 10/17/2016, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reefer PT

I Think this stuff is why KZ gets away with running a small baggie of carbon passively rather then a reactor full! My tank is at work and I dose first thing when I get there at 7:30. By the time the lights come on an hour later its clear. For the cost of the stuff on amazon there is no reason I see not to at least try it.

I think it will really help my son's aquarium. He and my wife tend to over feed, it has a skimmer that works ok but hopefully this will help much more.

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bertoni · 10/17/2016, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EvMiBo

Any advantage to getting 99.9% pure over 97% ?

I agree that both of those likely are fine.

jason2459 · 10/17/2016, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvMiBo

Any advantage to getting 99.9% pure over 97% ?

I bought 10lbs bag of the 97%. According to Amazon I started using it soon after April 4th 2016.

10/17/2016, 08:59 AM	#32
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I've been dosing a small amount weekly. Haven't really noticed anything good or bad. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

10/17/2016, 10:06 AM	#35
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	The cheap price on amazon did it for me too to say why not give it a try. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

10/17/2016, 11:08 AM	#36
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	Before.After. I am convinced it does something. This is 1 week after dosing 1ml/25g daily. I know there is more sediment in the before picture and I should have siphoned it off, but hey its a crappy cell phone picture anyway. to the naked eye, I see no yellowing as before. I changed my carbon out 3 weeks ago.

10/17/2016, 01:48 PM	#38
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Could some one help me understand why this is beneficial, I seem to be missing it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

10/17/2016, 02:12 PM	#44
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	I just saw those, that is crazy. I think I actually do need to try this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

10/14/2016, 12:42 PM	#27
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	resurrecting this post. Have you guys been using this for a while now? any long time KZ users switch and notice same or different results? Just started using the KZ method and if I can save this much cash on a product that is dosed daily I would love it. Can't say I notice a difference in my tank using the coral snow yet but I do know the KZ regimen has me taking better care of the aquarium which may be the key to success of this system. Not much is "set it and forget it" in the reef aquarium. Dave

10/17/2016, 06:02 AM	#28
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	Anybody?

10/17/2016, 07:02 AM	#29
2smokes Moved On Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: romania Posts: 515	All KZ products are secret so you wont really know what substances you put in your tank so.It isnt food like marine snow wich is made by decaying matter.Ive heard about a reefer here that was advised to mix the coral snow wich is plain kalk with the food .Just expensive snake oil(kalk).

10/17/2016, 07:39 AM	#30
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	Its not a food. It is a flocculant. the excess CaCO3 ions in the water attract and bind organics which then are skimmed out or mechanically removed. KZ never makes any claim that it is food. 2LF's Coral snow is a food, which I believe is where the confusion lies. I'm not saying I am a total believer in the KZ line but I have seen tanks before and after switching to KZ and the results are noticeable. Thanks for your response, but the question was not about the KZ product it was about who, if anyone is still using the DIY version.

10/17/2016, 09:39 AM	#33
downbeach Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Smyrna, Delaware Posts: 3,767	I too used to dose it once a week. It would clarify the water, and I never had any issues with cyano, once I started using it.

10/17/2016, 09:48 AM	#34
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	Thanks for the update. $12 for a lifetime of "coral snow" sounds good to me.

10/17/2016, 02:00 PM	#40
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	still Using 1/8 teaspoon in 100ml RO/DI, or has the dose changed over the years?

10/17/2016, 02:32 PM	#45
Reefer PT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: East Aurora, NY Posts: 352	I Think this stuff is why KZ gets away with running a small baggie of carbon passively rather then a reactor full! My tank is at work and I dose first thing when I get there at 7:30. By the time the lights come on an hour later its clear. For the cost of the stuff on amazon there is no reason I see not to at least try it.

10/17/2016, 02:55 PM	#46
EvMiBo VictoriaConcordiaCrescit Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 1,929	Any advantage to getting 99.9% pure over 97% ? __________________ Evan \| DSA 135g Peninsula