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Unread 08/09/2007, 10:47 PM   #1
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Starting a new 90 Progress will be updated

I just purchased an Oceanic 90g with stand and canopy.

I am going to post updates of the progress. So far I have purchased the following.

90 Gal Oceanic Stand and Canopy
48" x 6 IceCap VHO retrofit kit (May also add moonlights and auto shut off switches when opened)
Front
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue Plus
UVL Aquablue
ATI Blue Plus
Aquafuge Pro
Miracle Mud
Eheim 1260
Ocean Reef + 1 Five Stage 75 gpd RO/DI
Dual TDS Meter
PVC Mini Adjustable Float valve
Tubing
Aqueon 300 Watt Heater
Milwaukee Refractometer
Carib Sea Aragonite

Items still Pending

135 lbs of Live Rock
2 Clip on Fans
2 Maxi-Jet 1200
Water Storage containers
Auto-Shutoff for topping off (I travel some and will use a 10g container for topping off)
Test kits
Timers for lights
GFCI
Misc fittings

Day 1





Measured for retrofit Putting 2 lamps on A and 4 on B




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Unread 08/09/2007, 10:49 PM   #2
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Unread 08/09/2007, 10:59 PM   #3
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Very cool. Are you doing a Deep Sand Bed? Hey, does that RO/DI unit come with a reserve tank? I always wondered about that. Or does it flow fast enough to fill a glass of water without one? I am thinking of putting one under my sink and don't fully grasp it all.


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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:24 PM   #4
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I have 90 lbs of sand which I believe puts it at 2".

The RO/DI doesn't come with a reserve tank. I am still deciding what to use. It will depend on where I install the RO/DI. I was thinking about the laundry room and tapping into the washing machine faucet with a brass Y adapter and shut off valve. This way I could also use the drain for the waste water. I need two 15 gallon food grade containers for the reserve. I want to use one for the top off water and the other for mixing for changes. I will be searching locally for the containers as the ones I found online have shipping costs higher than the cost of the container.

If my math is right it only puts out 6.6 oz per minute. The have 150 gpd units.


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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:25 PM   #5
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Since you and I have a very similar setup, I thought I might pick your brain on the RO/DI unit decison you made. What made you choose the OCEAN WAVE+ FIVE STAGE 75 GPD RO/DI over the OCEAN REEF + 1 FIVE STAGE 75 GPD RO/DI?

I know the Ocean Reef is more expensive, but it comes with a dual TDS meter and a pressure valve. Are these actually helpful to have? I guess they could be added later.

I guess I should get one:
Assuming 10% water change (8 gallons) every 2 weeks (to be conservative) at 50 cents (from LFS), I would only get 20 weeks worth for the 160 it would cost for the unit (plus shipping). Calculate in my cost of water from the city, and I would say break even at 6 months. This doesn't even include the gallon/week of top off I expect.

Seems like a no brainer, but I am still hesitant until I understand exactly what I need.

Thanks for the help,
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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:32 PM   #6
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I chose the Ocean Reef not the Ocean Wave just for the reasons you mentioned. Added the bypass valve for drinking water also.


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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:34 PM   #7
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Oh, I read it wrong I was thinking the bypass valve would be a good addition as well. How much was shipping? Their site doesn't say.


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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:36 PM   #8
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In regards to water cost you also have to add the time to go get it from your LFS.


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Unread 08/09/2007, 11:38 PM   #9
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Sent you a PM with details


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Unread 08/10/2007, 12:07 AM   #10
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Sorry, one last question they have:

100 GPD FILMTEC MEMBRANE OPTIONAL (NO CHARGE)

Is this not as good for some reason?


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Unread 08/10/2007, 06:54 AM   #11
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Great looking tank. Can not wait to see progress!


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Unread 08/10/2007, 08:18 AM   #12
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My megaflow kit came with a double nozzle that split the return back into the tank. I had a little trouble with this design, but luckily PVC is somewhat flexible. My overflow is in the corner, so that may have mad a difference.

That was the very first thing I did to my tank after putting it on the stand. Luckily, it got easier from there.

Keep us up to date on the progress.


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Unread 08/10/2007, 08:35 AM   #13
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I have the double flow nozzle also. I have been looking to see if loc-lines will fit to extend the nozzle. It looks as if they only come in blue instead of the black from the megaflow kit. I am painting the back glass black this weekend.

http://www.loc-line.com/


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Unread 08/10/2007, 08:41 AM   #14
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Sorry, one last question they have:

100 GPD FILMTEC MEMBRANE OPTIONAL (NO CHARGE)

Is this not as good for some reason?
I believe all they are saying is you can bump this up to a 100gpd for the same price.


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I believe all they are saying is you can bump this up to a 100gpd for the same price.
75gpd ro membranes is 98% rejection rate and 100gpd is 90%.
that mean you need to replace your DI resin quicker for 100gpd.


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Unread 08/10/2007, 09:49 AM   #16
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Thanks for the clarification.


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Unread 08/10/2007, 08:37 PM   #17
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Day 3

Went to the local Home Depot to pick up a few inexpensive fittings and misc items to finish up the plumbing. Well $135 later I departed for home but first a trip to the liquor store. It is Friday night after all.

Things are going well until I try to put the 3/4" barb on the ball valve. Of course it's metric and doesn't fit. Glad I went to the liquor store.

Ok ran down to Ace hardware just to pick up a 3/4" barb coupling. Ok $60 dollar later (I picked up some small 6" clip on fans after reading others have used them on the same canopy) I'm on my way back but first a trip to the liquor store.

Ok got everything together but suffered my first injury. Made a note not to do that again. Maybe two trips to the liquor store had something to do with it.

Checked out the fans I purchased at Ace. No way these are going to work. They are huge. Made a note to reply back to that post that recommended them. I decided to wait until tomorrow to return the fans because I couldn't afford another trip to the liquor store.





Made a note to shorten drain line.






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Unread 08/10/2007, 09:14 PM   #18
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where did you purchase that drain line?


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Unread 08/10/2007, 09:20 PM   #19
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From my LFS. It came with the fuge. I hope he has a shorter legth.


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Unread 08/10/2007, 09:32 PM   #20
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looks good


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Thought you were using an Eheim, i see a Mag....

That is a beautiful stand/canopy, might have to change mine out for that lol.


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Looking good. I have the same problem with that hose/drain. It is really too long, but I am using it for now anyway.

I ended up with the maple stand/canopy because I needed a lighter color, but the cherry looks really nice. It comes in oak too. Looking good!


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Unread 08/11/2007, 09:13 AM   #23
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Thought you were using an Eheim, i see a Mag....

That is a beautiful stand/canopy, might have to change mine out for that lol.
I changed and can't edit the first post.


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Unread 08/11/2007, 10:52 AM   #24
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Looks like a great start!!!


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Unread 08/11/2007, 06:45 PM   #25
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Day 4

Today I purchased two Hydor Koralia #4 Circulation Pumps. These will be used in place of the 2 Maxi-Jet 1200s I had planned. I also tried to get a shorter flex hose for the fuge but was unsuccessful.

I started out by installing a GFCI but ran into some trouble. Whenever the load wires were connected the GFCI would trip. Not good. Checked everything and can not figure what's causing it to trip. I think I'm going to have a dedicated line installed anyway since my home theater equipment is on the same breaker.

Next I finished up the plumbing and put the Koralias in the tank. I filled the tank to test everything and to make sure there were no leaks.



The overflow kept rising and falling and the input for the drain was creating a lot of bubbles. It also sounded like Niagara Falls. I read about this on some threads having to do with the drain tube collecting air. So knowing my drain line was too long (and I couldn't find a shorter one) I cut the hose to avoid any areas that could collect air. I used a hose clip to make sure it held. I also used a 4" piece of 3/4" PVC and installed it in the 1" coupler to help keep the noise down from the drain water falling into the fuge.

The overflow was still rising and falling and it was still really noisy.



I reduced the flow from the pump with the ball valve I installed and adjusted the height of the overflow drain tube. That finally stopped the rising and falling in the overflow.

Aquafuge's site forum says the flow rate for this fuge should be 4 to 6 times the tank size per hour. That would put the flow rate for my 90 at 360 to 540 gph. The Mag 9.5 is rated at 800 gph with a 4" height.

It worked. The rising and falling in the overflow has stopped and the fuge is a lot quieter. The bubbles were also reduced. I also turned the drain hose to a point where it helped even more.



I treaked the ball valve so it's about 33% closed which hopefully puts the flow rate just shy of 540. I hope this is correct.



I'm going to let it run over night to make sure everything works OK. Tomorrow I will drain the tank and wait for my lights to arrive which is suppose to be Tuesday.



Time to relax and do some more research.

The next update will probably be next weekend unless I can find time during the week to install the RO/DI.


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