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Old 12/16/2007, 01:50 AM   #101
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Duh... thanks. I think I get it. So, what do you think of all this, since you're the reef chemist around here. Is it all just my imagination? I really would love to get back to using my Purigen again but when I back off from the Vitamin C, my Tubb's blues close up again.


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Old 12/16/2007, 02:08 AM   #102
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According to Thiel's experiences you shall be able to use it for 14 to 15 days out of every three months so there might be another factor affected by the vit C that makes your zoas close up.
Look for it specially your normal PH and alkalinity. Vitamin C affects both so may be what your zoos like is a bit less PH and alkalinity that you would maintain otherwise. Of course I assume you already checked everything else. (Bugs, temp, ORP, organics, light, flow, etc.)


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Old 12/16/2007, 09:20 AM   #103
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Puffer you seem to be focused on your blues?? How are your other polyps reacting and do they seem healthier?
I do not have any sick or suffering corals as I stated when I started dosing. I just thought it was an interesting idea so I gave it a shot.
I can say that everything is healthy and plump. Some of the colors seem better, but it might be in my head.
I do not see why he states to only use it for 14-15 days? I am at that point and I do not think I will stop.
I really dislike purigen-JMHO. Why do you want to start using it again? Is your water clarity poor?

You could run it for a day or so then take it out and start dosing again.

I will have some tank shots taken today and post some pictures of my polyps and how they look. I wish I had taken before and after pictures.

on Uberfrags other people seem to be having positive results as well.


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Old 12/16/2007, 11:12 PM   #104
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Sorry but that 1996 article by Thiel is more of a marketing scheme...

He say we should not use Baking soda but use a complete buffer.

Also his math are completly wrong..

Knowing that the EC50 (half of maximum effective effect) of Vitamin C is 140ppm in bateria and 360ppm in Daphnia, I think the 30 ppm isn't even strong enought.

Also, the LC50 in fish is > 1,000 - < 2,200 mg/l for 96hours (50% of the fish died at that dosage).

http://worldaccount.basf.com/wa/NAFT...f88009ae5a.pdf


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Old 12/16/2007, 11:24 PM   #105
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just wondering if i could use injectable vitamine c anyone know if thats ok


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Old 12/16/2007, 11:39 PM   #106
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Old 12/17/2007, 12:10 AM   #107
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All I know is everything is looking better in my tank & as soon as I stop using the C, my Tubb's blues start to close.


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Old 12/17/2007, 08:54 AM   #108
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I am not understanding what you are trying to say?

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does anything else suffer or does stuff look better?


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Old 12/17/2007, 09:02 AM   #109
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it would be totally cool if we could get a before and after pics. tagging along for the ride as well.


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Old 12/17/2007, 05:26 PM   #110
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I'm trying this too because some of my zoos have been decimated by killer amphipods (I've seen them muching on the zoos), so I took my zoos and am hanging them high in the tank after freshwater dipping them to get the amphipods out. The sixline in the tank have eaten any visible amphipods and now I am dosing the tank with vitamin C to see if the zoos come back.


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Old 12/17/2007, 07:10 PM   #111
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My zoas/palys that were closing are all open now & the other ones that were looking fine are bigger & more colorful. I'm really sorry I don't have any "before" pics.


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Old 12/17/2007, 07:39 PM   #112
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same here. Pics should be up by Wed if I am lucky


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Old 12/17/2007, 09:50 PM   #113
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Well I've been dosing for about a week, my remaining 1 colony of zoos that I was sure was gona die looks slightly better... My other zoo colonies are to far gone (their condition is beyond closed, they are melted blobs that slightly resemble zoos)

I think my next role in this experiment is to continue dosing and purchase a new healthy colony and see what happens (I have purchased new colonies about 7times over the past year all but 1 were lost)


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Old 12/17/2007, 10:08 PM   #114
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How much are you dosig now? I've decided I am going to place the C in the end of my sump, instead of the front, after where I plave the Purigen so I can use it again. I really think that's why I'm not having much PE on my SPS, because of all the palys & leathers in there & no Purigen. Hopefully the Purigen won't filter out too much of the C before the corals can absorb it. Again--a good reason for me to dose 2x/day.


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Maybe the tubbs go through withdraws!! any issues with vit C yet?


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Old 12/17/2007, 11:35 PM   #116
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None negative at all.


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Old 12/18/2007, 07:08 AM   #117
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and how long has it been since you started?


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Old 12/18/2007, 07:58 AM   #118
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Has anyone tried dosing with the kent marine vitamin c? whats the difference between the liquid and tablets?

If you dose this everyday why cant you run any mechanical media such po4 remover, carbon, chemi pure, purigen etc?

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Old 12/18/2007, 09:00 AM   #119
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Because it will remove the vitamin c that you are adding. And dont worry about the newbie questions. we were all there once!!


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I do not think a phosban reactor with phosban in it would take out the C. I could be wrong though??


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no maybe not a phosban.


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well im in!!! just added 125 mg to my 24 aquapod


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http://www.kentmarine.com/saltwater/...s/marine-c.htm

I wonder how concentrated?? Interesting on the carbon


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Hey what happens when you get a new frag of zoa's and they havent been in a tank where vit c was added?? do you just acclimate and they will be ok? or do you have to not dose for a couple days and then start over?


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Hey what happens when you get a new frag of zoa's and they havent been in a tank where vit c was added?? do you just acclimate and they will be ok? or do you have to not dose for a couple days and then start over?
Good question, Nobody has yet reported any negative effects of Vit C.. .. It is suggested to start slow to avoid shocking things, but could it really 'shock' things??

My understanding is most animals can only utilize a certain amount of Vit C and the rest is just wasted... which may explain why some people have gotten by with very high levels of Vit C with no problems.

I'm up to 4,000mg a day in my 40breeder...no problems yet


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