Cupramine and Prazipro in QT tank at the same time?

heuerfan · 01/05/2017, 01:21 PM

I have some fish that are in a QT tank that has ich and flukes. Is it okay to use cupramine and prazipro at the same time?

From my search on the subject it seem 50/50 say yay/nay.

scooter31707 · 01/05/2017, 01:27 PM

TTM and PP would be the best treatment.

heuerfan · 01/05/2017, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter31707

TTM and PP would be the best treatment.

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question

Nrupaw · 01/05/2017, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

I have some fish that are in a QT tank that has ich and flukes. Is it okay to use cupramine and prazipro at the same time?

From my search on the subject it seem 50/50 say yay/nay.

Yes, you can add Prazi while you are running cupramine. I have done it in the past multiple times, never had any issue.

However if you are running cupramine at treatment levels, then you might notice some fish stop eating. that typically doesn't have anything to do with adding prazi. Good Luck!

heuerfan · 01/05/2017, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nrupaw

Yes, you can add Prazi while you are running cupramine. I have done it in the past multiple times, never had any issue.

However if you are running cupramine at treatment levels, then you might notice some fish stop eating. that typically doesn't have anything to do with adding prazi. Good Luck!

Awesome, thank you!

canadianeh · 01/05/2017, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

I have some fish that are in a QT tank that has ich and flukes. Is it okay to use cupramine and prazipro at the same time?

From my search on the subject it seem 50/50 say yay/nay.

what kind of fish are they?

heuerfan · 01/05/2017, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadianeh

what kind of fish are they?

4" emperor angel, 4" asfur angel, 4" powder blue tang, 3" flame wrasse and 3" gold stripe maroon clown.

Using my 125 as big QT tank.

Tanthaitrung · 01/05/2017, 05:40 PM

Be careful. If using Cupramine, you need a copper test kit. Best of luck

caribfan · 01/05/2017, 06:19 PM

I use both products exclusively in my quarantine protocol, although not usually at the same time.

I typically take twice the time the bottle recommends to get to the active dose of cupramine.

Are you certain you have flukes? You may be able to get out of it, or at least provide some immediate relief with freshwater dips.

The tang may struggle with cupramine, I would not take it to the full dose on the bottle, typically a final dose of 0.4 has been sufficient for me in the past.

heuerfan · 01/05/2017, 08:27 PM

I'm testing with salifert copper test, slowly adding the cupramine. I'm at .10 tonight.

One eye is cloudy on my emperor, and as of today looks like it's peeling. So it could be the fluke coming off his eye? From prazipro, I already added it Sunday before this post

caribfan · 01/05/2017, 08:41 PM

Picture might be helpful. If he's got flukes and you out it in freshwater, they will all come off in about 3-5 minutes.

canadianeh · 01/05/2017, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

4" emperor angel, 4" asfur angel, 4" powder blue tang, 3" flame wrasse and 3" gold stripe maroon clown.

Using my 125 as big QT tank.

I suspected so. That is why I will never ever get tang and angel. They are prone to get ich.

caribfan · 01/05/2017, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadianeh

I suspected so. That is why I will never ever get tang and angel. They are prone to get ich.

That may be true, but they are relatively easy with proper quarantine protocols in place.

canadianeh · 01/06/2017, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caribfan

That may be true, but they are relatively easy with proper quarantine protocols in place.

Nah....not for me. They even can get ich due to stress if you make a mistake here and there. I rather have something that easy and low risk. I am happier that way.

heuerfan · 01/06/2017, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadianeh

I suspected so. That is why I will never ever get tang and angel. They are prone to get ich.

Your missing out then, tangs and angels are great fish to have

All fish will have ich if ich is present, some just don't show the signs.....

canadianeh · 01/06/2017, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

Your missing out then, tangs and angels are great fish to have

All fish will have ich if ich is present, some just don't show the signs.....

I think it is personal preference. It is not worth the risk IMO. I am sure some others will have different taste.

I don't think that is accurate that all fish will have ich though. But IF that is true, you can't treat something that you don't know.

caribfan · 01/06/2017, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadianeh

Nah....not for me. They even can get ich due to stress if you make a mistake here and there. I rather have something that easy and low risk. I am happier that way.

You are smart to know your limits and keep what makes you happy.

I'm here to tell you though, that if you follow the same protocols every time, you can keep "ich prone" fish fairly easy. Everything that enters your tank must be treated though, that includes rocks, snails, shrimp, nets, tubes, hands, etc. not necessarily all by cupramine. But there can be no cross contamination of potentially untreated water to ich free tank water.

Knock on wood, but my tank has never had an outbreak of ich in the past 4 or 5 years and I'm keeping multiple Angels and tangs, including an Achilles, I believe that is due entirely to the steps I take in quarantining fish.

Like I said though, you are smart to know what makes you happy and to just enjoy what you have, that's not always easy In this hobby.

snorvich · 01/06/2017, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter31707

TTM and PP would be the best treatment.

This.

snorvich · 01/06/2017, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question

For copper to have a chance, you are talking about long term; that makes answering the question diffiicult.

heuerfan · 01/06/2017, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

For copper to have a chance, you are talking about long term; that makes answering the question diffiicult.

The question was simple, can I use cupramine and prazipro together. And the answer is yes.

snorvich · 01/07/2017, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heuerfan

The question was simple, can I use cupramine and prazipro together. And the answer is yes.

Yes but your results will vary. Copper must be present at a therapeutic level into the second half of the ich life cycle to be effective.

BrianD · 01/11/2017, 03:53 PM

Posts removed. Please stay on topic and remain civil.

heuerfan · 01/11/2017, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Posts removed. Please stay on topic and remain civil.

Thanks Brian.

Back to the topic, as of last night cupramine at .25 and the fish are eating and looking good. The eye on my emperor cleared up.

I do not plan to take the cupramine all the way up to .5, but will remain at .25 until prazipro treatment is done. Then I will remove the prazipro and get the cupramine up to treatment level of .5.

canadianeh · 01/11/2017, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Posts removed. Please stay on topic and remain civil.

Good call! Thanks Brian.

snorvich · 01/11/2017, 04:34 PM

FYI, .25 is not therapeutic.. Good luck.

01/05/2017, 01:21 PM	#1
heuerfan Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Hyde Park Posts: 1,249	Cupramine and Prazipro in QT tank at the same time? I have some fish that are in a QT tank that has ich and flukes. Is it okay to use cupramine and prazipro at the same time? From my search on the subject it seem 50/50 say yay/nay.

01/05/2017, 06:19 PM	#9
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	I use both products exclusively in my quarantine protocol, although not usually at the same time. I typically take twice the time the bottle recommends to get to the active dose of cupramine. Are you certain you have flukes? You may be able to get out of it, or at least provide some immediate relief with freshwater dips. The tang may struggle with cupramine, I would not take it to the full dose on the bottle, typically a final dose of 0.4 has been sufficient for me in the past. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

01/05/2017, 08:41 PM	#11
caribfan Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,922	Picture might be helpful. If he's got flukes and you out it in freshwater, they will all come off in about 3-5 minutes. __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 50 Breeder Quarantine Tank, 240 Miracles Finally up and running, 29 Biocube - AI Nano

01/11/2017, 03:53 PM	#22
BrianD Sir Brian The Lenient Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Mattoon, IL Posts: 32,111	Posts removed. Please stay on topic and remain civil. __________________ Always strive for the optimum environment, not the minimum environment. Current Tank Info: Empty

01/11/2017, 04:34 PM	#25
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	FYI, .25 is not therapeutic.. Good luck. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

01/05/2017, 01:27 PM	#2
scooter31707 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,971	TTM and PP would be the best treatment.

01/05/2017, 05:40 PM	#8
Tanthaitrung Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 565	Be careful. If using Cupramine, you need a copper test kit. Best of luck

01/05/2017, 08:27 PM	#10
heuerfan Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Hyde Park Posts: 1,249	I'm testing with salifert copper test, slowly adding the cupramine. I'm at .10 tonight. One eye is cloudy on my emperor, and as of today looks like it's peeling. So it could be the fluke coming off his eye? From prazipro, I already added it Sunday before this post